Selling Content ???
 

Hi Peeps... A question... ?

I am shooting a lot of girls who initially I am thinking wont have solo model sites... the main reason to shoot them is new content for both WeGetNaughty.com and DurtyGirls.com

So I am thinking of selling licences for the content to other webmasters, I am thinking of a maximum of 10 licences for a batch of content... obviously 2 of those licences will go to the above named sites... but that leaves 8 to sell...

The content will come with full model release and 2257 id... The content licences will give the webmaster the rights to use the content on named sites... but not the right to resell the content...

My question is how should I price this content, it will not be sold beyond the 10 licences, so guess that makes it Semi Exclusive... so what would be a good price for content and would you work it out... by the number of pics/videos ?

Discuss ?

Boooo....
 

No Advice for me :(

well thats a hard game to play as no one knows you. i'd recommend brokering your content thru Dave perhaps at web-lebal arsenal computers and other providers like this just to see if people like/will pay for your content. of course the photo rights are still yours.

You should do well with this, but the pricing depends on numerous factors:
- did you shoot video, what's the quality, and how long are the scenes
- is the video edited and encoded in various formats

if you only have pics, good luck, very, very tough sell for any kind of $$$

If you do have both high quality pics and video, I can help you sell them, hit me up on icq

price the stuff to cover production and make yer profit from the members area. would be the easiet/simplest way to go. say cost $800 to shoot so price the sets so that 8 licenses cover the cost at $100 per . .

Hmmm...
 

a $100 regardless of the amount of pics, sorry dude but that doesnt work...

This shoot produced 13 sets of 1800 pictures... there isnt no video with this girl, but normally there would be video too...

The girl I shot with reselling licences of the content in mind, this was her first shoot, so sure I will build up to that for the next shoot...

So back to this first content shoot... as I said 13 sets of images, with 1800 pics in it, I heard if selling exclusive people charge in general $2-$4 a pic (I know some are even dearer) so if I was to sell exclusively even at the bottom end it would be worth $3600 (and yes I understand thats if I find a buyer for them)

But I do understand the price for semi exlusive is less, remember I aint suggesting selling this in a content store where it can be sold 100 times... this is to be sold with just 10 licences available...

sorry dude . . exclusive content does not sell $2-$4 per pic . . maybe in 1998 not in 2006

It does :pimp

I'm not into public discussion regarding the theme, but trust me, it does :winkwink:

As for BigPimpCash' question - I'd recommend you to review broker sites, find a content that looks similar to yours and - here you go! - you've got a price.

Otherwise you'll have to show your content here, so we could evaluate it.

oooooooooooooooooooo

show my content here? are you fucking high?

calm down, I was talking about the content BigPimpCash is going to sell

good plan . . . posting my stuff here is out of the question

OK here is some time for the hard truth.

How good are you with a camera?

What was the camera, lighting and lens?

How good are you with a model?

How good are you at porn?

How good is the porn you shot, no one wanks of to the number of images.

You shot 13 sets of a girl, over how many days? If it was one I am pretty sure you have nothing to sell. Sorry but don't tell me what you can do. Been there done it and got the T-Shirt. a girl and shooter dry up after 5 sets. no matter who or what you're shooting. Individual pictures might be good, but the "Sets" after 6 will be poor to crap.

Exclusive sells for $150 to $300 a set.

IF brokers take it AND we can sell it, long term you will make more money. Can you wait?

Just because you have a camera and a naked girl does not mean you have porn. I have a typewriter and an idea. Does not mean I can write a book.

Hmmm Paul I wont try and second guess you I know you have made a business out of shooting and selling content... so thanks for your input...

However I do see potential for my content to sell... to be honest a lot of the same old Eastern European content I have seen shot, in the same 1970's looking back drops doesnt do it for me...

I aint shooting PORN... I shoot teasy softcore content, up to playboy nude. I shoot a lot of girl girl tease content... and I think it would make great content for filler or girlfriend content... trust me my 13th set was as good as my 1st set... infact proberly better as the girl was warmed up by then :)

I think offering 13 sets with 1800 pics in for about $250, and limiting it to just 10 licences is far better than selling it 1000 times... yes there will still be exposure of this content, it isnt exclusive... but it will be semi exclusive, as I wont sell or allow the re sale of the initial 10 licences...

And as for my work, again dont make out to be a supert dooper pro tog... makes me laugh when the established guys get twitchy cause some one is going to offer a service... I shoot with a Canon 10D, I use Elinchrome 600S lighting, I shoot at my own 4 floor townhouse studio in Milton Keynes as well as locations around the UK... but as I said no proffessional...

So heres some examples of my work :)

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Claire12.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Alice01.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Claire3.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...Lou10small.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe08.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe02.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe01.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b.../madison33.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...emadison03.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...emadison09.jpg


Just a few examples... :)

$250 for all 13 sets - 10 times?

we sell a set at $30 - non-exclusive

Not sure what you are saying, are you sayign I am selling it cheap ? Cause by my maths 13 x $30 would be $390... and by sayign non exclusive I am taking it you mean as many times as you can sell them...

See I aint trying to compete with you content guys, this would be a side business for me, another revenue stream... There are just soem girls I dont deem as girls we will be doign a lot of work with, certainly not to the point of wanting to keep them exclusive...

So if I can shoot them for us, and then sell soem extra licences limited to about 8... and that covers my cost and makes me a small profit to fund more shoots, thats good business...

So sorry please specify what you meant ?

yes it does. :1orglaugh

the question is, will people buy it?

well you hit that nail on the head, don't worry I'm not in the least bit twichy :winkwink:

I like your stuff Pimpin. Especially the blonde :)

isn't this what I suggested? even if ya break even you're still doing well to have yer shoot paid for is my thinking . . anytime I can walk on shoot cost I'm all over it . .

No...
 

Sorry dude I cant agree... hard to explain I guess over a message board... but I think $100 devalues the work... I got oen guy suggesting I am looking to sell it too low, and you sayign all I should worry about is cover my costs...

Bottom line $250 for 13 sets of pics, 1800 images... is a good price... whats that 13 cents a image ? As I also have stated not exclusive, but definetly not sold a million times... just 10 licences :)

Anyways guys it's cool, I kinda know where I am goign with this now, it's definetly been edicational to here some of the input... I am sure for those with the right kind of sites, this content will go down well... :winkwink:

that's exactly what i meant. :winkwink:

and it doesn't mean that i won't use the pics for myself too.

but it's up to you - i just wanted to say that your price is pretty low, no need to sell it so cheap

I know I could never sell that work . . the quality isn't there . and yes I have seen much worse here too . . if you think it's worth a bit, that great . . like they say: there are no $100 whores only $100 tricks . . best of luck to ya

Dude...
 

Why you got to go and be hatting on me like that... first you have a sneeky little dig with your "you hit it on the head" comment... now you slatting the quality of my work... well GO YOU !

Your obviously a fucking artist... sorry I cant hold a candle to you old man... best of luck to me, here's a suggestion, take that luck and stick it up your ass... I'm guessing the one thing you are is the resident expert on $100 whores...

So I will take my lot quality work and see if anyone does want it... some people want good tease content, some people liek the pics to have more of an amateur feel to them... but then thats proberly what gets up your fucking nose...

So in the tradition of GFY here's a little something for ya... :321GFY

Thanks
 

Thanks dude... see one persons poision is anothers tipple... one guy telling me I aint got a cat in hells chance of selling it, another telling me I am selling too low... all about opinions I guess :)

Oh by the way only 6 licneces left, I already sold 2 and I aint even taken it to the boards... guess I must be a better sales person than I am photographer :1orglaugh

Fucking Haters... :disgust

it's also possible that i'm just an idiot cause i work with those cheap european whores and hardly know how to hold a camera. oh god, how i wish to sell a set someday :(

To Clarify...
 

I wasnt having a dig at you dude... It was Wanton and his condesending attitude, greater than thou that pissed me off... actually what you said was cool :) Sorry if you thought it was aimed at you... :thumbsup

Im sure Playboys lawyers will apreciate that one pic with thier internationally copyrighted logo on that hat

i was just kidding - and aiming at Wanton :winkwink:

Not bad at all, I will post some comments in the next post below.

Do you really think Max Candy, Wanton and Aaron, plus many others excellent shooters are shooting EXCLUSIVE for $250 if they could sell the set 10 times SEMI EXCLUSIVE?

Here is the hard truth. These sets. GIRL ON GIRL and SOLO GIRL.

Will sell 20 to 30 times over their lifetime, in the first year 10 times is good. AT $40 and $50 so why would someone pay $250 for yours?

If content sold as many times as everyone pushing exclusive sites tells you I would be driving a Rolls Royce.

I would bet good money a lot of content providers would be happy to sell a set 10 times at $40.

Now to your content. :winkwink:

Your content is not bad, but leaves a few things that are the diffence between converting a surfer to spend $30 and making him hit the back button.

I don't like the lighting but for amateur it's fine. But the images are not amateur.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Claire12.JPG

Very pretty girl, but where is the emotion. She is just fixing me with a stare. The finger is the emotion of the shot, the girl is pretty. But she is saying little.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Alice01.jpg

Nice shot and perfectly caught the pose, but again the girl is looking at me, where is the tease?

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/Claire3.JPG

Same problem, little actual TEASE. You might want to check with Hustler that you can use their T Shirts. Probably fine, but best to be safe if you'se selling the content.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...Lou10small.jpg

Bottom girl is great you have caught the tease. top girl is thinking about what? Shooting couples is a nightmare to get them both looking at the camera at the same time with a good look. Best to only have the good one looking at the camera.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe08.jpg

Not bad at all. Got the sultry tease. Check with Playboy about the hat.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe01.jpg

Totally missed this one. Tip, do not get anyone but GREAT models to look out of the side of their faces.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b.../madison33.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/banners/chloe02.jpg

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...emadison03.jpg

Good ones.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...emadison09.jpg

What is she saying to me?

What always amazes me is how easy people think shooting porn is. Shooting naked girls is easy, shooting porn is hard. What's the difference. Struggling along with every other clown and making a good living.

People ramble on and on about the importance of text. Then use images that will instantly turn a viewer off. ESTABLISHED FACT. The first impression counts over everything else. So if you have images that don't deliver then telling a surfer the girl is the hottest, most fuckable, sexiest and demanding your cock NOW. He surfer thinks you're lying. He saw the pictures and thinks what the fuck are you smoking. :1orglaugh

Then he thinks, "Yes I've heard that 100 times today".

Why do people put more importance and stress the need to get a gallery right and ignore the fundamentals of porn. Which are. It has to have a fantasy behind it that gets a guys dick hard.

These are nice amateur pictures that any guy with some pretty girls could shoot. but not porn.

If you think the 13th set was as hot as the first I shudder to think how bad was the first. A girl should be warmed up by the second set and tired by the fifth. That's her job, that's my job, that's what creating porn is about.

You are looking to get some emotions, message and imagination stimulant from the models, the softer the content the stronger the tease message. If you are working properly you will tire after about 5 sets, the model will tire, the whole thing goes down the tubes. You can do the whole thing on auto pilot, but then you end up with none of the sets being right.

Shooting porn is 20 times harder than making a gallery, shooting a picture of a naked girl is 20 times easier than making a gallery, just costs more. That is why good porn content is king, simply because it's tougher to do.

OK now you can tell me how scared I am that you will come and take away all my business. :1orglaugh

Sorry I was not sure if it was for one set or them all. $250 for 13 sets is $20 a set and not so bad for what you have.

Dude, those girls are fucking hot and the photography is fine. That shit will sell, I don't care what anyone in here says. I don't think selling porn is about being good at photography unless you're a glam site. If you have a lot of content like that and are selling it as exclusive let me know, I am definately interested.

Thanks...
 

Thanks ShoeHorn... alas havent got any solo stuff yet to sell... but add me to ICQ and we can stay in touch :)

Thanks for the critique Paul... I could answer the comments, but dont really want to spend too much more time on this... I understand as I stated from my initial post to you, I am not some an amazing pro, actually I shoot with my dick, I take pics of what i think is sexy... and as a red blooded guy I think thats not a bad yard stick :)

When ever I post pics they seem to get a good response, yes I am sure are mostly from post whores with their usual "great pic" to bump their sig... but thinking now all are :)

And yes the price was $250 for the entire 13 sets of 1800 pics... and see if I was in the buying market, I would rather buy that package knowing that there was no more than 10 licences for it, as opposed to the content being sold as many times as it could be sold (not exclusive but more exclusive)

Anyways thanks for the input... I have a pricing structure in mind now, even though in truth it hasnt come from the input of this board, but either way the feedback as definetly helped, and also got me a fair few enquiries, not bad for a amateur :)

so if I tell you the truth I'm bagging ya out? truth is I pulled one of yer images into Photoshop and could not clean it up. the stuff is poorly composed and poorly shot. I could not sell that stuff to any of my clients. nothing gets up my nose about yer photography in any way at all . . you have misconceptions about yer importance in the scheme of things. and yes I am an artist . . so what? that has nothing to do with the pro-am content that I shoot. one thing though I do take the time to hit a proper exposure and WB. if you wanna act all bent because you're to lazy to capture a proper images, and then tell me it's amateur . . . that's on you and sorry I ain't gonna buy it . . you will get more acceptable images with point and shoot camera than whatever it is yer using if yer to fucking lazy to learn how to use it, and that is straight up dude

another thing: fuck you for bagging out Paul Markham . . Paul was doing this and making $$ when you were trying to figure out if you should stick yer thumb up yer ass or jerk off. and this is for you :)

damn!! I'm selling my solo stuff for $200, so 5 sets and a 3 vids is $1600.00 which is a great deal for exclusive content in LA . . I didn't realize you euro shooters were getting better than LA prices . . good move guys :winkwink:

didn't know you were UK dude, welcome!!

Hmmm...
 

You want me to pick your dummy up ? Dude you are a condesending fuck... I really dont give a flyign fuck what another content provider thinks of it... I am concerned what those guys who have contacted askign to buy content think of it...

So I am done with you, I am sure you are a GOD in the content world... lets start the fucking fan fair... Where did I ball out Paul Markham, I thanked him for his comments, I admitted he was earnign far more than me from content, I said I wouldnt second guess him, and you reckon I balled him out, or maybe your just trying to make sure you got a alie when you scum my work...

Let me point this out again... I do not claim to be a proffessional, but I still think my work is teasy enough thanks... the paysites I run and their success suggest that to be true... but the fact I want to add another revenue stream to my business seems to have fucked you off, well thats your problem.

From thsi thread i have had two webmasters contact me asking to buy exclusive content, so is my work really that bad :1orglaugh

And yes Manowar I am from the UK... Milton Keynes to be exact, cant you tell by the way I swear :) Are you in the UK too ?

He might not of been born when I started doing this. :1orglaugh

Made $$$ from day one, it was different in those days.

I don't remember saying a lot about the photography. I said a lot about the pornography.

Let's break this into properly niches and the meaning of the niche.

Amateur Photographer = Someone doing it for the love of it, usually they are good at it. They will spend money on the equipment, learn how to get it right. Be totally boring farts who talk about their hobby.

Amateur Model = Someone getting their kit off for the fun of it. They are enjoying it because they are exhibitionists.

Readers Wives = Someone shooting their lover, prior to sex. The model will have a look in her eyes, a suggestion on her face and will be showing her body. There is an intensity to her/him that says "COME AND GET ME" Of course the photography will be crap because both participants will be thinking about the fuck.

What niche is this work?

To me the posing is not amateur, the photography is not amateur (I have too much respect for them.) So what is it you're trying to stimulate in the mind of the guys spending $30 a month?

We want a minimum of $400 for a solo girl scene set/video. It's worth that much to us.

Did you not know, non exclusive is saturated. That's because we sell it at least 200 times. :1orglaugh

Your Right...
 

Your right I have seen you, your very old :1orglaugh Only pulling your leg...

So Paul with your reference to niche... so if you aint a average joe who does it for a hobbie, or someone shootign their lovers as you put it, then your a proffessional right ? Hmmmm I dont agree...

I shoot myn for business, but I dont make out to be a pro tog... I know plenty of pro togs, such as Alan Strutt... now he is a pro...

I shoot content as I said to turn people on, sorry if the images dont do it for you, but trust me they do for plenty of others :) I guess I should take the fact you dont class my work as amateur a compliment :1orglaugh

big pimp cash

some people will love it

some people will not like it

and the majority could give a fuck

just do a little research and find similar stuff - and throw a decent number out there.

youll find buyers no problem.

im interested in what image you chose.

Why do people keep talking about photography?

WE ARE NOT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY BUSINESS WE ARE PORNOGRAPHERS. YOU ARE A PORNOGRAPHER NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER. YOU SELL PORN NOT PHOTOS. PEOPLE BUY MEMBERSHIPS TO PORN SITES NOT PHOTOGRAPHY SITES.

So now tell me what type of PORN that is, I'm here to learn.

Ernest Hemingway used a typewriter but it does not make him a typist, a chef uses a steak, but it does not make him a butcher. We use cameras but it does not make us photographers.

We create a fantasy in the mind of the viewer. We can use words to back up the images. But what ever words you use they have to be confirmed by the images.

No good you saying this.

"Susie was so hot and horny her tight teen cunt was yearning to feel a huge throbbing cock slide inside her and pound her young tight body to a shuddering orgasm"

If she is looking like this "While Suzie was posing nude she was wondering what time the bus left"

Both texts are extreme but does it help you to get the point. Think about what the model is thinking then write the text and there you have the fantasy that will convert at a better rate.

Exactly, the pornography. Who gives a fuck about the rest of the stuff, "Oh, is she looking at me, what is she thinking, what kind of perfume is she wearing?" Seriously, who cares. Is she hot? Yes. When I look at her do I want to see more? Yes. Would I fuck her? Yes.

You named three niches that aren't niches at all really, just types of photography. Who cares what niche it falls into? You're telling me that if you have a site where people send in pictures of their teenage girlfriends you're not going to take their money if they want to sign up to your teen site, because the photography is different and they are obviously dumb for not knowing the difference, and they shouldn't be able to get off on two kinds of photography? Or that you can't cross sell the two, because one of the sites has glossy pictures and one site has pictures shot with bad lighting?

Lol...
 

Guess some people think a image as to be some girl getting fucked... Paul if you dont know what Niche these pics are then I seriously doubt it would be possible for me to educate you...

As people have said some will love, some will hate... Guess cant please every one :)

Anyways Paul it is good to see you making the transistion into paysites from your content background... guess I am kinda making the same transisition the other way round... just seeing an opportunity to add a revenue stream to my business... just a shame had to get all personal and slam what I am trying to do :( Oh well such is the life of a pornographer...

I've heard yer stuff is all over . . I never see it though to be honest . . really only look at the sites I shoot for to see the comptition :)