9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
 

Yes... another 9/11 thread.
But for once this one is from a more credible source.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...0.html?sub=new

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For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington.

In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not hijacked until 12 minutes later. The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.

These and other discrepancies did not become clear until the commission, forced to use subpoenas, obtained audiotapes from the FAA and NORAD, officials said. The agencies' reluctance to release the tapes -- along with e-mails, erroneous public statements and other evidence -- led some of the panel's staff members and commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...93973848835726

#6 video on google

This is getting more interesting by the day:2 cents: :thumbsup

damn, there goes the "the US shot down the plane over pennsylvania, the passangers fighting terrorists was a story to cover it up" conspiracy, eh?

secure sig spot.

What are you talking about? The article states "The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.", how did you turn that into "the US shot down the plane over pennsylvania"? Stop trying to stir shit up.

12clicks is an illeterate idiot ... He doesn't read the text, just the headline, but he really prefers a picture, just like his Idol Dubya ...

So he spits out, over and over, a remark that he truly believes to be smart, then laugh at it .. and over again ... and over again ... and ....

Wow lots of articles coming out each day.

dear uneducated trash (directfiesta,AdultMovies.bz) I'm talking about the last conspiracy theory that was sworn to by you halfwit conspiracy clowns. This article clearly dispells that one so I guess your kind will now forget that one was ever sworn to by the tinfoil hat crowd you run with and you'll now try to justify your dopiness with this article.

If you read the report instead of the article, you'd know that the investigation looked into a coverup of ineptness, not a grand plot to....................well, whatever it is your tinfoil transmission is telling you today.

Last conspiracy theory? This is an article by the Washington Post you dumbass, or is the Washington Post in on the "Conspiracy Theory" too?

I still find this amazing http://www.loosechange911.com/

not good

Mr. Romance

I'm not quite sure I can dumb this down enough for you to understand.

this article by the washington post.......................you with me so far, idiot?
disproves the last (meaning the one that happened in the past) conspiracy story of flight 93 being shot down (airforce shoot missle, plane go "boom")

so all the idiots (see mirror) who used to scream about it, will now do what?
pretend they never said it and move on to the next consiracy theory?
admit thier mistake but swear they're right this time?
:1orglaugh

You really have no clue do you?
The point is that people DO NOT know what happened, the idea is to find out what happened, sure there are theories out there and some may be right and some may be wrong, but this article has nothing to do with the theories, its a statement of relevant facts, so stop trying to make shit up, youre only confusing yourself.

I'm pointing out your idiocy and what you believe in and how silly it is, not the idiocy of the article.:1orglaugh

the US Gov't lying to the public / media that's nothing new. i believe half of what the gov't tells us the other half is just bs to cover there ass.

pentagon always has a plan for those mistakes....

You are pretty retarded in the way you receive news...

This was already known 4 years ago..

LOL... DAMN OLD NEWS...

We already know Bush planed 9/11.. I can't believe usa fat bald losers came now and say "I thin bush planed 9/11"

What a bunch of retarded losers you are in usa... assholes.

yup, Bush is an evil genius except when he's a blathering idiot. :1orglaugh

Why cant we investigate further into the events of 9/11. Why does it have to be a "shut the door closed case"

*you* can pay to investigate anything you want. No reason we should pay because a few nut jobs think a building *shouldn't* fall down when hit by a commercial airliner filled with fuel.

So in other words you don't have anything remotely constructive to add regarding this perticular article, and you're just rambling shit irrelevant to the thread...

are you really surprised lol

Ignore 12clicks, he didn't even have the mental capacity to complete high school. His opinion is not worth reading.

P.S. His opinion is always that the government is right.

You know I read the posts in this thread and still not sure why you reacted like a moron to 12 clicks original post...

...even less sure why you are still jumping up and down several posts on

In major events such as 9/11 you have the usual cover ups/misleading stories etc etc which divides opinion into two camps. The first is the conspiracy camp with long complex scenarios, sinister figures in the shadows etc etc all of which is bags of fun.

And then you have the other camp which simply states that most if not all can be explained by the fact that the Government and its various depts and factions are covering up their usual staggering incompetence in the face of pretty much everything really.

The article you quoted favours the cock up and incompetence theory of events hence 12 clicks original post poking fun at the conspiracy camp

There is actually a camp like this? I figured that it was consipracy nuts and then true believers of the government. Only 2 camps, but it sounds like there is 3.

perhaps I can explain.

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Yey, lets hear it for 12clicks and more unrelated posts...

don't call post that are over your head "unrelated" it makes you seem stupid. Just call me names instead.:1orglaugh

12clicks, it's the people who think out of the box and question things constantly that came up with all the great ideas, and is also one of the reasons why we now know the earth isn't flat anymore. It is indeed their nature, and I'm very glad it is. Let's not take this discussion into a flame war and keep it to mere facts. The fact is that something is very wrong with 9/11, and many people suspect the government doing it. Not only from the way they reacted to the whole thing (many evidence to fuck the us government up the ass), but also what they did after this. They invaded iraq without evidence etc. It's a fact that there are many differences between countries and societies - and in the end most of them are all just as fucked up (usa having the highest crime rates, and I'm not going to go into details about how a lot of people are just stuffing themselves to dead so the rest gets riched - mcdonalds - perfect example), while the FDA approves killer drugs and the whole pharmaceutical bullshit crap where they don't investigate natural herbs cause they can't make money off of that. Etc etc.. A society based on money goes crooked, a government with too much power corrupts. It's all history and it repeats itself over and over again.. Unfortunately it's repeating itself again, and this time, theyre fucking with the middle east. Countries that invade other countries to enforce their ideals are fucked up, but if you invade them for oil it's even more fucked up. I can go on a long time about this but there's not much use I'm afraid. In the end you will still think that an 'independent' (cough) investigation from your government into 9/11 is going to proove that the government did it. Live the illusion, just like they did in pre-nazi germany. History never fails to repeat itself. And if you let a corrupt leader like bush go its way, you have it coming.

In regards to your banned books - how can a society based on censorship 'bad for children, oh no it has sex, censor that music, the word 'fuck' is going to kill them, religious extremists (christians in case of the usa), and the government being lobbied by money crooked fuckers, not ban books, or at least attempt to censor them?

http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedboo...banned.htm#wbc
http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&q=...G=Zoeken&meta=

Oh yeah, if your news media wasn't as controlled, you might start to realize things a bit better. But I highly recommend you to start visiting real independent news sites. And if you really believe fox news is fair and balanced, then I think everything I just wrote was useless for you to read, cause you're probably lost already.

you're confusing people who come up with great ideas to conspiracy nuts. the two are completely different animals.

I don't start flame wars, I end them. If you can manage not to start one, I'll have no need to end one.

this is not a fact. this is an opinion.
no, a very small percentage do. probably the same percentage that think all the other conspiracy theories are true.

the government was caught off guard. The end.

completely untrue. If you had a clue about Iraq and our position you would understand it like this:
US defeats iraq after iraq invades the US ally known as kuwait. iraq agrees to surrender, be inspected, and destroy all WMDs. iraq sees weekness in clinton and UN and does not live up to its surrender agreement. 9/11 happens and we see the danger of an enemy who will not agree to its surrender and one we know has or had chemical weapons and now wants to keep us guessing about it. They pay the price for miscalculating our determination to neutralize our enemies.

this is all nonsensical conspiracy nut rantings (no offense)

all governements are based on money so that argument is irrelevant.
it is your opinion, not based in fact that this is what we've done. we invaded afganistan for self defense. we invaded iraq for attacking kuwait and then finished the job when they refused to live up to their surrender agreement.
again, you have nothing but your opinion to support your idea that the 9/11 commission was not independant. You undercut your ideas by throwing in a nazi referance and will you make a post of apology when Bush becomes an ex president and your rants of corruption and pre-nazi germany don't come true or will you just change your rant and explain how the next president is controlled by Bush?

Not sure what country you're from but here in the United States, Parents have a say over what they want their children exposed to. Pretending that not allowing children to read certain books is "banning books" is a silly attempt to appear to have a point.


do me two favors.
post these independant news sources of yours and then come back with the facts we were supposed to stick to as you seem to have forgotten to include them in your post.

12clicks are you really going to pretend going into Iraq had nothing to do with oil?

seems like there is momentum building

an army general with balls needs to get about 10k soldiers and go arrest the assholes in WAshington....and also immediately surrender to proper authoirites

here is the most interesting read. Appeared very soon after the catastrophy. It is long, but deserves it.
http://serendipity.nofadz.com/wtc1.htm

i stick to this version of the way it was.:upsidedow

It was the aliens

we're getting oil from iraq?
can you please link to that so I can celibrate?
I think we should be pumping oil out of their morning noon and night until we leave.
so come on, I'm with you, show me the link!

you should never mistake that ultra small sliver of society that are 20something chat board heros with the real world.:winkwink:

shit i wish we went to war with iraq for the damn oil, its doubled in price instead of getting cheaper

12clicks what's your reply to these eye witness accounts? Are they nut case conspiracy theorist too?

Don't know if we're getting any of it, but I do know that we were told by Bush that the war would be paid for with the oil...

How many billions of our money have been thrown over there?

Another lie to get support... But he learned that from his daddy who did a bit of his own false truths to liberate Kuwait.. You know.. the guy that said, "Read my lips.. No new taxes".. resulting in the largest tax hike in history...

Say anything ya have to say to get in office, then do whatever ya want once you're in...

you'll have to post a trascript of what they said and who they are. my time is too valuable to sit through that horse shit.

yeah, we all agreed to go to war because it would be paid for with oil, otherwise, we would have stayed home.:1orglaugh

Yeah but you got the time to sit around and spew your horse shit here on gfy:1orglaugh

Not working with me...

That was one of his lines, among many.. and yes... if people knew the real facts at the time, we would probably have stayed home..

How do you go to war knowing that you are going to get paid in oil?

If we invade China do we know ahead of time that we will get paid in Fortune Cookies?

"What happened to Iraq oil, Mr. President? You said Iraqi oil would pay for the war. Ain't seen no money. Ain't seen no oil," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.

...by making Saddam's WMD the rationale for invading Iraq and then coming up empty handed after a long search it's tough to sell an open-ended occupation to a public that was told Iraqi oil would pay for everything.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: ?I don't believe that the United States has the responsibility for reconstruction, in a sense?[Reconstruction] funds can come from those various sources I mentioned: frozen assets, oil revenues and a variety of other things, including the Oil for Food, which has a very substantial number of billions of dollars in it. [Source: Senate Appropriations Hearing, 3/27/03]

Before the war, the Bush administration insisted that Iraqi oil revenue would pay for reconstruction and faced criticism from anti-war activists of a "war for oil." After the oil revenue failed to materialize, Bush, a former Texas oilman himself, rarely mentioned Iraqi oil.

I can do 10 other things while spewing my horseshit here.
I'm not watching some silly video that starts with "in 1962" and goes on to explain our current situation.

you'd have to ask the guy who said thats why we went. Don't let your zeal to try to prove me wrong embarrass you by replying to things I didn't say.:winkwink:

I'm not sure what facts you didn't know but here are the facts that caused me to support the war.
Iraq was a defeated enemy who refused to comply with its surrender agreement. After 9/11 we were not going to have defeated enemies who *had* WMDs continue to not live up to their surrender agreement and play hide and seek with inspectors.
If these aren't your facts, perhaps you shouldn't let your mind be clouded by the revisionist history of the leftist media.:winkwink: