tgp2 a disaster?
 

i was searching through the archives looking for tips on redirecting foreign traffic and came across this post where colin is swearing there will be "a mass exodus to tgp2 soon"

of course, it was almost a year ago that he said that, and obviously it never came to pass. but is anyone here doing anything with tgp2 and seeing results?

A question well worth asking :thumbsup

It's all about how you design your funnells for your traffic in flavors and niches, we all know where the nectar flows, its just how you apply. :winkwink:

I planned to do tgp2 100s of times...
but I always forgot to stop at 5 pics and submit that wanna-be gallery somewhere ;)

Just use FIRST string of my signature - and you'll get thre traffic by only 5 pictures... )))

i think the tgp2 idea was a good one to start out with - after all how many tgp's out there have nice thumbs at the top of their tgp that go to tgp2 style galleries, that is, galleries where the pics open on full html pages.

what i think killed the initial excitement was indeed colin himself - with all his secret projects that he only allowed a few webmasters to look at or to share in - his huge number of tgp2 sites and then the friction that developed when they started to trade with regular tgp sites - this seemed to splinter the initial group of tgp2 owners and resulted in a lot of infighting and a lot of kissing ass to be seen as an insider. and then there was the whole fiasco of using colins tgp2 bucks program - the idea of so heavily promoting so much free porn on sites that were based on the ideology of re teaching surfers that porn is not free, once again splintered the movement.

if you want to find out why the movement died i think you just have to follow the money.

i do beleive the idea was a good one and could be incorporated into many regular tgp sites - after all you can still have good, clean looking galleries that are very hard sell including pics on html pages.

While I agree with some points here I strongly disagree with TGP2 being dead.

I'm still doing well with it, in fact better then ever :)

The innitial movement was splt in two that's a fact and many of teh reasons mentioned in this thread lay at the cause + some more that are not mentioned here.

Suffice to say TGP2 as it is now is split in to two camps:

One doing the CJ thing with ultra high skim ratios and the one I belong to No skimming decent trading and I just about completed my last TGP2 experirment which did a lot of traffic.

Expect to hear more from that one as I will be teaching it to other TGP2 webmasters and I think it will catch on after that :)

Need info on TGP2? check my sig.

But please do not declare it dead while in fact it rocks.

Just because I'm not blabbering all over the place doesn't mean I don't do well with it. You'll all hear about it soon enough and not from me but from the webmasters that will successfully implement it :)

Cheers!
CC

colin

wasn't that part of the problem - so many promises but nothing being delivered. i cant tell how many times you have said wait for something new and exciting and then nothing - the tgp2 bucks was a big problem and i think a major reason that some people are trying so hard to keep the movement alive

Ehm......... I'm not Colin?

CC

sorry - didnt mean to insinuate that you were - i looked at the reply before i looked at who posted.

didn't EVERYONE convert to TGP2?

You did 6 months ago right?

tgp2 is dead

i tried, but they kept putting restrictions on my galleries - wanted me to list less thumbs and no hardcore.....

I can't help it, I love to give away porn and these TGP2 guys just want to make everyone pay for it...Bad karma.


The people need to have their porn free.

Free the Porn!

TGP2 guy also having free porn - but only the best selected pictures!
It's also great for ppl... TGP2 is the middle between TGP and Picposts...

Best selected pictures?

LOL

That's funny stuff.

Yes! Only the BEST fives from sets... :1orglaugh

"i cant tell how many times you have said wait for something new and exciting and then nothing"

"Allright", you can't even keep names straight so why would you be expected to keep this straight. See below.

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Promised and Delivered TGP2 projects and events.
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1) tgp2.com

2) tgp2bucks.com

3) TGP2 Brainstorm in Las Vegas, NV (January, 2002)

4) TGP2 Seminar in Las Vegas, NV (November, 2001)

5) Smutfix - a site that pushed 50,000 visitors per day into TGP2 for 6 months.

6) Monthly guest on TGP2 Update on "Max Cash Live" including the two most highly listened to shows in the show's history. My great thank to LudeDude for being there with me. We rocked those shows and it wouldn't have been possibel without him.

7) TGP2 board at Oprano.

8) 10 articles written and published at various webmaster resource sites.

9) Involvement in various TGP2 projects at Voltar's.

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Perhaps, you are confused. The various events I was involved in cost well over $20,000 to produce (including travel, meeting room rentals, catered events, traffic, etc). and countless hours of hard work. Thanks for all your help, Allright. ;)

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As some of you know, I have been busy forming a company that will provide free professional live video to adult membersites. That company will launch next week.

Because of this, I will no longer be active in any free site enterprises. I still think freesites, TGP1, TGP2, and even CJ are viable revenue resources for those with such an inclination. What a great way to make a living! I have been presented with an excellent business proposal/partnership and have accepted.

There will be a press release next week.

Hope everyone's having as much fun as I am.

Good luck Colin, I know you'll do well.


Lets toss some ideas around I might be able to assist
I'm looking forward to fl in aug:)


:rasta

As far as a "mass exodus", I was wrong about that and admit it.

Instead TGP2 has SLOWLY become a viable revenue source like any other free site model. One may choose between AVS, TGP, TGP2, CJ, CJ2, amateur toplist sites, or whatever.

On July 25, TGP2 will be one year old. Happy Birthday.

Dantheman,

I DEFINITELY look forward to seeing you in August.

Anyone else that would like to get together in Vegas for a good time, bullshit, to shake hands, do business, discuss the industry or whatever shoot me a mail at my new email address: [email protected]

I'd like to meet any GFYers there that can hang (or not).

Drinks are on me.

Long live the Neon Jungle!

tgp2 concept would have been ideal if it started first.
There are hundreds of normal tgps and starting a new one is hard enough right now, let alone an idea which is much less popular with the surfers.

From a surfer point of view, tgp2 is crappy compared with a normal tgp & its the surfers you want on your website.

TGP2 is a nice idea in theory, but failed in reality.

- the above line would make an excellent quote for anyone wanting to explain the success of tgp2.

:eek7

FATPad are you stupid or something?

Nope. Just wondering if you have any idea what you're talking about in the slightest as far as # of pics on galleries a few years ago, or whether or not surfers do in fact bookmark TGP2's.

I have a feeling you know zilch about what you speak from actual experience and are just relaying what you think would happen.

A little bit defensive Colin - what I said above is simply the truth - the projects you mention are all worthy projects but are all self serving, which is of course fine, after all no one can blame you for wanting to make as much money as you can - but at what price. The end result was a major split in the tgp2 movement that was caused by many of your own projects and ideas that you tried to force onto the other tgps webmasters - even smutfix would force you to be a member of your tgp2bucks program - a major reason for the split.

As far as getting you and cc mixed up - I think you know how funny and ironic that is.

Try to relax Colin - this isnt an attack on you personally - I'm sure your a fine person and have helped many webmasters in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

a normal tgp is 12-16 thumbs that each open to a full size pic.
tgp2 is 12-16 thumbs but only 5 are clickable.

I forget when the first tgp was created, maybe 7 years ago? I'm just guessing.

My point is, if people only used the tgp2 concept from the very start of online porn it would put us in a nice situation today.

However a normal tgp is better for the surfer and that is why tgp2 is struggling right now. Make sense?

TGP2 is a neat idea, the problem is a total lack of standards. I mean sure, they have them, but there is no standard standard. There are rules, but I'd go far from calling any of them standard.

I think there are only 2 things that matter in making a free site work.

1. Understand the nature of your niche. www.mature-post.com and voyeurweb have done great at this along with others.

2. Learn traffic. Big numbers mean shit. Focus on getting it right, and growing steady. There is no magic charm.

In TGPs, I can basically bet that a gallery that has...

16 thumbs linked to 16 pics
Pics over 20kb in size
Proper Recip
Paid Hosting
No Cheating
No Javascript
1 banner
1 textlink
and 70% content

Will get list at 97% of all TGPs... I cannot say the same about TGP2, or at least I haven't been able to find it. And EVERYONE needs to close their circles a bit. Open signup forms are a formal invitation to be hit botted.

TarPy

I guess FATPad was onto something here. TGP2 is 5 thumbs, ALL clickable. That unclickable thumb stuff was tossed out with the bathwater about 10 months ago.

I'll be going out in a sec so I won't see your reply. (not that it matters really)

tgp2 is an excellent idea but isn't working well because the surfers would rather visit 1 of the many hundreds of tgps already running.
We can agree on that I'm sure.

My only other comment was just a simply wish that we could turn back time and do the tgp thing different. We can't so it doesn't matter.

A) I know what TGP's and TGP2's are. :)

B) The start of online porn didn't include any thumbnail gallery posts.

C) The first TGP's used to list galleries with 6 or 8 pics.

D) Surfers will bookmark anything if it's done right. A well done TGP2 can keep surfers just as much as a TGP.

I'm guessing you joined the porn biz in the last 6 months and think TGP's are the be all end all of the porn world and have been around in their present form since day 1.

Thinking about throwing up a few tgp2 galleries, What are some of the best tgp2 to submit them to?

that made my point invalid?
it was really a point that didn't have any inpact on what I was saying.

I used to run toplists and did very well.
CTR was much higher and excellent conversions. I do ok now, but miss the days when toplists were the big thing.
Anyways got to run.

In truth, Colin and the companies he was working with were the only major players that got involved with tgp2 to any large extent. Yes, there ae other sponsors offering deals to tgp2 webmasters, myself included, but no one else had the resources or desire to push as hard as they did. Jealousy of that was more to blame for the split than anything else.

Fact remains that TGP2 is a viable freesite model that has been around almost a year. Ask the people making big checks from tgp2bucks or anyone running one of the larger tgp2 sites if they think the concept is dead. Like anything else that's maturing, there have been some bumps on the road but that's to be expected. Making your counter spin might look pretty but like ratios it doesn't mean shit if you don't take home the $$$ at the end of the day.

Allright,

You said "i cant tell how many times you have said wait for something new and exciting and then nothing". If you say such a thing in public, just back it up or withdraw your statement and don't resort to "this isnt an attack on you personally" after you say "you promised things and didn't deliver them over and over. " A negative comment about someone's business practices in public IS a personal attack. I find it is very surprising that you think otherwise. Don't try and "hit and run" me. Back it up or explain, please.

That people can trust you is very important in business. If you want to say that I can't be trusted on my promises, this would be a find place and time to do them. You have already said as much so back it up or with draw it.

I named 9 things I promised and delivered. Please name 9 I didn't. I can think of ONLY 1 project that
I promised to deliver on and for various reasons, I couldn't. A toplist involving a number of entities.
I think a 90% delivery rate is pretty damned good. Sometimes thing change and there were internal reasons why we couldn't. Resources were diverted elsewhere.

This is a public forum. Please back up and explain your statement .

tgp2 was a good idea. But it ended there :2 cents:

If it wasn't for Colin tgp2 would have been dead before it started. The problem wasn't Colin it was the other 95% of the webmasters that never put anything on the table, mainly traffic. The theory behind it is legitimate, but without the eyes to see it, no one is going to click.

Tgp2 dead? Get real! It's far from dead.

And honestly is just getting started with some big things coming that will surprize many.


Posted by: LoveAsianChicks
"My only other comment was just a simply wish that we could turn back time and do the tgp thing different. We can't so it doesn't matter."

Yes it can and is being done. And it does matter.

Colin and I haven't always agreed on things but I have always thought that he was an asset to the Tgp2 movement.
I wish you luck and much success with your new stuff. I know you will do well.

As for the Nay sayers I say HA.
Yes many Tgp2 sites are gone that is a fact. Many where newbies looking for a quick buck and gave it up when it didn't happen over night.

Tgp2 dead?, no not by far. The Tgp2 concept proves itself day after day.

Traffic is the key to it's success.
Tgp1 wasn't just born over night remember?

Oz

I allready predicted alotta sites would fall out during summer slowdown months ago and they did.

After summer more will also pop up, and next summer a lot will fall out again.

BUT! and this is important:

at the end of next summer there will still be an increase compared to this summer as a percentage of TGP2 sites will remain and this will continue summer after summer :)

Now to show the growth of TGP2

After TGP2 started as a movement Smutfix was set up and like Colin said it pumped in 50k from the get go into TGP2.

At it's peak it even did 60 to 80k a day. Now with Smutfix included TGP2 was around 300k daily.

Now Smutfix is no more BUT the average on traffic is still around 300 to 350k daily.

Meaning that TGP2 grew and filled the gap Smutfix left by itself.

The growsth isn't spectacular, we don't brag everywhere as most TGP2 pioneers are silently building their empire(sorry Colin :1orglaugh )

And we only speak up when there is something worth mentioning or to defend ourselves against know it alls that in reality don't know shit!

Now I don't agree with some streams in the movement, I hardly ever agree with some people involved in TGP2 but I sincerely believe we are all in it to make it work and everything I've seen to this point confirms that despite the split and despite all our differences.

So in that regard Colin always delivered what he promised wether I agree with the delivered goods or the intentions is besides the point but HE DELIVERED PERIOD! so that accusation is false.

Last but not least I am 100% sure that all those declaring TGP2 dead have never ever really tried it themselves and therefor have no way of knowing anything of what's going on with TGP2. So please either join the cause to make this adult biz a bit better and give it your best shot and if it should not work out then you can bitch! If that's to much to ask to actally get off your ass and work on something for a change then shut up and go fuck yourself! :Graucho

Cheers!
CC