Confessions of a Convert: TGP v TGP2
 

Excellent article on XBiz by Tom Heike :

http://xbiz.com/articles/forum/0602/10.html

"The Bottom Line
The bottom line is that we can argue our opinions all day long, and it will not get us any closer to the answer. We as webmasters need to address this problem quickly and decisively. We need to stop giving away our product, and start selling it. Let?s say that our business was selling cars. If a customer came in looking for a car, would you give the customer a used car free, hoping that they might come back and buy a new one later? Of course not, that would be silly. You would be eliminating the customers need for your product. "Now that would just be plain foolish!", I heard that. Yes you?re right, so why are we doing this with our product and expecting a different result?

The definition of insanity: "Repeatedly taking the same course of action, and expecting a different result."

only people who don't know how to sell make those kind of comments.

ahhhh the ol' car sales lot analogy.... :glugglug

one of my personal favs....

lmao

LOL

I do find it humorous (have for a while) than an entire group of pepole dedicated to reducing free porn and "reeducating the surfer to realize that porn is not free" use a 4Free program as their largest sponsor and yell "GET PORN FOR FREE, CLICK HERE" all over their sites and galleries.

Interesting way of reeducating the surfer that porn is not free.

don't car lots let you test drive the cars?

I also heard on FMLive yesterday,...

"If youre not seeing enough conversions on 2k of traffic to our sites, send us 4k and see how the conversions start"

something along those lines anyhow... yeah okay.

:winkwink:

Sleazy, off topic, do you own any paysites or anything bro, or are you tgp all the way?

Just curious, you dont have to reply if you dont want, I understand.

:thumbsup

this tgp shit cracks me up, im glad im getting my degree :)

what's a TGP?

well, that's what I hear, but they never let me.... :(

As expected, thanks.

Yeah your sites arent really tgps ;)

The thing that keeps 20+ burgers in your mouth a day

Sleazy honestly if you 4-5 pictures galleries and that much traffic you would probably sell as much shit as you sell there + tons of singups to paysites ... But well ... that's dreaming because big guys like you make already ENOUGH money to live 10 times their lives ... they would make even more but it don't worth the RISK of moving ... if they would do it all together it would work .

tgp2 was the biggest waste of my time and energy in the last 3 years. tgp2s have more fucked up rules than tgp and most tgp2 webmasters have no concept of marketing let alone this business, that is why the whole idea is on life support being supported by about 3 sites.

Even when I had my tgp2, it was almost impossible to have more than 3 trades over 100 hits a day! I was running trades for months where I was sending like 80 hits out and getting 10 in return, I wanted the idea to work. I finally said fuck it and changed it to a tgp last month. The same 1000 or so hits I was feeding my tgp2 with and giving me about 1500 hits a day (that includes the traffic I was feeding it and the traffic from trades) has gotten my tgp to over 4k a day in a couple of weeks.

If those tgp2 webmasters would spend more time working on getting traffic into their system instead of telling people that their idea is so much better than anything else, then maybe the idea will take hold.

Don't get rid of TGPs. Where else would I wack off for free, Paysites?

What is the highest traffic TGP2 site on the web? What rank on Sex Tracker? I'm curious.

agreed

mmmmmm.... burgers.

Yep

Hmm. So lots of people think TGP2 is better than TGP, and lots of people think TGP is better than TGP2.

Fuck it, I'm gonna do both and make twice as much money :thumbsup

You will not make as much money with tgp2 as you will with tgp.

Heh, I know - actualy I was being a little bit sarcastic.

Over and over again people start the "Free site/AVS site", "TGP/TGP2 site", "CJ/CJ2 site" threads and argue about which is the best.

I assume that most of you are, like me, in this game to make money, yes?

So if TGP makes money AND TGP2 makes money, stop arguing about what is the best and do both!

And if you're gonna complain about there not being enough time - what the hell are you doing reading this board when you should be working?

:thumbsup

Sleazydream, you own sleazydream I'm guessing? I see that site everywhere when I'm happy slappin'....

:)

If tgp2 made me money, I would do it, but I spent over six solid months trying to work it from both a gallery submitter and a tgp2 owner standpoint. Yeah sure I made some money, but it really wasn't worth it considering the time put into it. I suppose if I lived in Russia where $100 is alot of money, yeah it would have been great! But alas, I don't.

I tried it, was committed to it and it didn't work for me. I am not sore about it, besides the fact I could have spent those extra couple of hours a day doing something else and making more money, but hey, who knows maybe its time will come again. NOT.