Just to enlighten some facts at the current israel-lebanon war
 

There is no israeli occupation in Lebanon , Israel withdraw it's forces in year 2000 to the blue border which is accepted by the UN . What happened since then ? massive importation of weapons/rockets/bombs from Iran through Syria since then . Did anyone really believe that all this shit is there for civil or political influence matter ?
Everyone have chosen to close their eyes , including the UN forces that let southern Lebanon to become an explosive barrel ready to use right under their noses .
This shit has to be cleaned for once , and too bad the world realizes it AFTER these terrorist fucks choose to kidnap 2 soldiers from Israeli land kill 8 more .
:2 cents:

Pictures tell a thousand words.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Oh, those famous weapons ... probably the ones with the most frequent flyer points ....

BTW, does Israel have also ( and more ) those so bad weapons ....

lol yup thats the whole story in a nutshell

Now for a reality check

Since 2000 ( the last time israel invaded another country and killed babies ) israel has been mass importing weapons/rockets/bombs from other countries including USA , everyone has chosen to close their eyes including the u.n. while israel ignores security resolution after security resolution and let israel become a nasty racist time bomb.

Using 2 kidnapped soldiers as a pretext they sent 8 idf soldiers over a CLEARLY marked landmine field AND border ( not suprisingly they died as a result ) ( im quite suprised because when i drive over clearly marked landmine fields while invading other countries , the last thing i would expect to happen would be t hit a landmine )

its not so pretty when you reverse the scenario is it ?

Yeah and 9/11 is also a zionist conspiracy , and every man who slips on a banana on a sidewalk is also a zionist plan , even brainless idiots like you is a creation of the nasty zionist conspiracy right ....

Are you an Idiot? Israel has the right to have those weapons, as they have a responsible government in control of them unlike the hezbollah. I dont understand people in this world, so blind:disgust

i didnt say any of those things.. figures you cant argue the facts so you have to make shit up..:1orglaugh

everytime anyone actually shows you reality you have to cry anti-semite..

grow up and use your brain..:thumbsup

These are israeli medial staff trying to save the life of israeli baby who was in a bus that was exploded by palestinian terrorist :Oh crap

bwahahah israel is a responsible government ? thats what they call governments that ignore more security resolutions than any other country ? bwahaha tell us another one.. next tell us killing 10 times the civilians as hezbollah terrorists is "responsible" use of weapons .. and sending soldiers over clearly marked landmine fields is "responsible" , sounds like someone is sticking their head in the sand..

They sure control them .... till they launch them...

Aside from killing civilians and UN observers, they are pretty good with them..


If by being an idiot, I am not in your " gang ', well let it be so ...

http://www.horrorseek.com/horror/bed...adopt/ali1.gif

There is no israel occupation in lebanon
israel hasn't killed any babies
mcdonalds only uses beef in its burgers
sending troops over landmines is "responsible"

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

the problem here is racist idiots ON BOTH SIDES who think killing civilians is justified..

This started when palestinians kidnapped a soldier thinking it would help them , instead israel invaded gaza and killed babies. so hezbollah figured if they kidnapped some soldiers israel wouldn't have the support of the rest of the world to simply invade lebanon , and they were totally wrong.. israel has a right to defend itself and i agree with that right , what i dont agree with is the holocaust they are perpetrating on innocent civilians.just as hezbollah wa s/is perpetrating on them.. 2 wrongs dont make a right..

like i said those with brains actually deal with the topics , those that dont simply ignore them and chuckle .. i'm not suprised to see you cant debate the topics with facts because your lacking them.. come back when you have some facts and a brain to put them into words ..

Thanks to people like you being so overwelmingly represented in the middle east, there will never be peace there. You all deserver to keep fighting. One day in maybe 50 years, you great grandkids will have figured out just how wrong you all were.

Think of this:
The only two nations who have never given some/all of the land back to the natives, are Israel and the US.

Stop crying "anti zionist" and get a fucking clue..

The point he might have been making is that if you draw a line at a place convenient to your point of view and then fill in only the details which likewise support it, you can attempt to prove anything (so long as no-one in your audience knows any better).

I'm curious to know who you imagine you are helping with your posts. Ehud Barak, Israel's Prime Minister a few years ago, said "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force". In other words, whatever Israel's reasons for matching violence with violence, it is not expecting peace as a result. But isn't peace what the majority of Israelis want most, so even if not a single voice is raised in criticism against their acts of violence, are they practically any better off?

Barak also said, when asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian, "I would have joined a terrorist organization". That awareness of the other point of view is much more typical of most Israelis I met during the 10 years I lived there, than is the tone of your posts.

I thought you played the idiot but it looks like you a real one . So let me enlighten it abit .
When you come and say "israel used 2 kidnaped soldiers as pretex" you DO NOT bring facts nor reality , all you do is creating an assumption that you figured out (which is totally ridiculous but that's not even my point here) about israel interpretation of what happened there , in either case you can't call this crap a FACT , get it ?

Firstly, understand one thing thing. Hezbollah has no military bases, nor do they have military barracks or any military institutions...they hide among the civilian population as shelter so they cannot be targeted easily. At the same time they shoot rockets into israeli cities killing people at random. Knowing this, Israel will obviously defend herself from these attacks by going on the offensive. There will definitely be civilian casualties in this scenario, as the attackers are hiding among them.
If Mexico started shooting rockets into hollywood for example, do you think the us would do anything different than whats happening?

Coming from the so-called educated ....

BTW, Hezbullah ( or Hezbollah depending ... ) had a building headquarters in Beirut. It was bombed a few days ago, along with all the neighborhoods ... ( check the slide show on MSNBC.COM )

Any other educated piece of information to communicate, since you are so well informed ....

actually there is peace between israel and egypt and also israel and jordan . so get yourself fucking clues before you play the "Mr knowing all"

Learn history then come back to comment us , you have no fucking clue what ur talking about . Israel gave all the land that egypt claimed , all the land that lebanon claimed , entire gaza and much more .

Problem isn't really land here . Arab states got x500 more lands than tiny israel , but somehow they all promise that if we give half of our land to them , they will be our best friend . Makes sence to you now ?

:thumbsup :thumbsup i totally agree with you and i agree that israel has a right to defend itself , and i also agree hezbollah does shitty things like hiding in civilian areas.. that still doesnt alter the fact way too many civilians are being targetted..

as far as the mexico/hollywood example , its a bit slanted as lebanon didnt rocket attack hollywood , an armed gang did.. so lets use a more realistic example.. if the hells angels in canada bombed boston , would the u.s. military start bombing civilian cities ? and i highly doubt they would , there would be a diplomatic solution . either way u.s.a. couldnt invade canada , canada has been mass producing chemical and biological weapons for the last 50 years , any attack on canada would bring the immediate demise of both canada and ther u.s. population :)

It's not a war between Israel and Lebanon.

That doesnt suprise me in the least :thumbsup come back with some facts and you wont look like such a racist idiot :)

Its true.. as long as Lebanon isnt fighting back.. lol

So do the Hells hold 23 seats in government? Also, is the Hells backed by 2 other Arab countries right nearby? There's a lot more going on then you or me even know, just don't open your mouth pretending like you know it all.

So you would say there is peace in the middle east? The whole:
Israel vs. Iran
Israel vs. Hezbollah
Israel vs. Palestina
.. what is that again then? ooh wait, yes I forgot; anti zionism
Its just Israel defending them self - true, true. God Bless you :helpme


Thats is just wrong on so many lvl's it makes me cry

spoken like a true jew. The other guy have so much, so its ok we steal a little from them.

I know it doesn't make sense, there are just a bunch of retards on this board who pretend to know politics by watching Al Jazeera. There is no arguement, Israel is a tiny country and has given up land it has won in wars even though its meant it had to deal with rockets being fired from land its given back hoping the country that got it could control its own territory. Would Israel be doing this if rockets weren't fired almost daily into its cities? NO. Would Israel be doing this if f#$(**( Lebanon could control its own land. NO. To all the retards on the board, groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, just don't want Israel to exist. That's what you have to get through your thick braindead skulls. If Israel was 1 mile x 1 mile that would be too much land and an inconvenience for them. So read some history, and don't repeat to me Arab fed BS. You don't think Israelis want to live in peace? They actually have an economy unlike other Arab nations that just rely on oil and give people back money yet 2/3 of the population live in poverty and 1/3 live like kings. They obviously don't want this happening but I'm sorry, they are no options when people attack your country with rockets and attack cities just because they don't like you.

Steal, go check history. Then by your logic 90% of countries stole land from others during wars. Is this Montrealpimp talking stupidity?

:eyecrazy

Paragraphs .... :2 cents:

You wanna make me believe that all their attacks are coming from the ONE headquarters in Beirut...Come on, lets be frank...Dont dodge the fact...they are launching attacks from densily populated areas knowing that it would strengthen their public support.

The history is that British Empire gave Palestina away after the Jewish terrorist attacks (Irgun). The state was formed - The leader of Irgun became Israeli prime minister, and the other members of the terror-organization were integrated in IDF.

so has practically every other country , welcome to reality
They are being fired daily into lebanon at a much faster rate . hezbollah wasnt firing daily rockets into israel until israel starting dropping bombs on children

Israel has an economy ? thats a suprise i guess that explains the BILLIONS of dollars the rest of the world . has poured into israel.. i guess having a good economy means taking handouts like beggars from other people to survive then yes they have a good economy.. and yes i suppose if using your own resources to provide for your country is a "bad economy " then yes arab nations use their own resources instead of relying on handouts..

Israel is subsidized by the US and gets handouts from the US. Most EU countries provide the palestinians or arab countries with far more benefits than they do to Israel. That's been the case for years, but you seem to know everything. Also Israel is a strong ally with the us, and they share a lot of military intelligence so it has its benefits. Now if other countries invest in Israel for tech/industry whatever, that is not a giveout. Now go research Israel's economy before you blast open your mouth like usual. How many countries have pledged to help rebuild haifa that hezbollah has attacked?? How many countries have given back land for peace?? How many countries get attacked several times a week just because they exist? I suggest sitting down and reading history instead of just looking at the past 2 weeks and pretending like you graduated with a major in history from oxford.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh do you have any idea the difference in populations your talking about .. seriously you need to think about coming to grips with the fact your biased.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh bwhaha we give israel billions they give us military secrets .. what a load of shit , they can keep their secrets.
i have thats why you look like such an idiot right now

:1orglaugh your a funny fellow filled with hate , i suggest grabbing some perspective and quit acting like a child .. and dont make so many assumptions.

Yet never they tell the whole story..

I know this is a minority opinion, but I don't think enough civilians have been killed. Both sides have become accustomed, and perhaps even comfortable,
with the ongoing state of low intensity conflict. There's just enough killing to keep both sides mad at the other, but not enough that either side feels compelled to compromise enough to settle their differences.

On the surface it might sound more compassionate to condemn the killing and to call for a ceasefire but that's very shortsighted. A ceasefire that's imposed by the international community would merely allow both sides a chance to rest, re-arm and prepare for the next round; it wouldn't affect the underlying causes of the hostility.

Is it better to spend decades living under the constant threat of attack, where entire generations grow up who know nothing of peace and feel a deep hatred for the "enemy"? Or is a short brutal war better, where both sides come to realize that the costs are far to great to continue?

Exactly! CNN told me the exact same thing, so it must be true! Good "thinking".

This is the first time I see americans on GFY criticizing Israel.

Hoppfully you will all wake up an realize how Israel is using you. You pay for they defence and the whole world hates america because of Israel.

9/11 would have never happend if you didn't support Israel.

USA is a great country but sadly you are controlled by the bunch of monkeys from Israel.

And what do you get in return??? Why would your money go to Israel instead of your own schools, hospitals, daycares... WHY???

UN resolution was to form jewish state in israel in nov 29th 1947, that was not a "british empire" favour. 5 arab states including iraq , lebanon , egypt , jordan and syria responded with war declaration against that new state . They lost the war , and since then they never stopped trying to whipe out israel without much of success , and then whine to the entire world about the terrible occupation . I can't think of anything more pathetic than that .

Jewish terrorists never harmed women nor kids , nonetheless i condemn their terror attacks vs british forces in palestina before 1948 . However most arabs define the suicide bombers in busses and restaurants , the murder of women and kids a "legitimate resistance" .

If you can't find the difference here , i welcome you to live in the middle east for few years , you'll see what i mean .

Unfortunetly we don't have a choice in such matters. Both of our political parties are basically the exact same, especially in regards to Israel. It makes me sick that our leaders give away our money to Israel for weapons to kill innocent civilians because they create a health care system for the poor and lower middle class. We're the only industrialized country without universal health care, but we give Israel what, 5 billion dollars a year in military aid? Insane.

Not to mention, they are not even a real ally. We have caught them multiple times syping on us, in Washington. Yet it hardly makes the news. Imagine we caught a Mexican or Iranian spy, how much press that would get. But when it's an Israeli spy, our government covers it up.

Unfortunetly, short of violent revolution, there is nothing the American people can do. They own our politicians.

Don't hold your breath.

1 - It's little more complicated than "using you" . Israel is the US branch in the middle east .
2 - Bin laden woudn't need israel to exist in order to hit usa , or else he would hit israel directly .
3 - Dont beleive to every word you hear in Al-manar .

because=before

[QUOTE=elron]lost the war , and since then they never stopped trying to whipe out israel without much of success , and then whine to the entire world about the terrible occupation . I can't think of anything more pathetic than that .

QUOTE]

I can think of something more pathetic. Whineing about bad bad germans for over 60 fucking years. Why the fuck didn't you defend yourself like the rest of europe???

There where resistance throughout the whole europe but you didn't do shit. You clame one million man where killed by nazis. ONE MILLION!! That's a fucking army!!!

And now you play tough when you are killing woman and children.

[QUOTE=donnie]
They'll claim up to six million, depending on how stupid the person they're talking to is.

War sucks ass!

[QUOTE=donnie]They were taken from their homes to concentration camps. I dont think they had a chance nor the time to organize an army to fight the nazi's. There were jews dispersed all over europe, how can they organize an army to fight, in such a short span. Im not jewish, and I personally hate the religous jews with the black hats and stuff but not all jews. But I think its important for any race to have their own country so that a "holocost" scenario doesnt happen again to anyone. Having said that, I think the palestinians need to have their own country also...But ask me should they have israel... I say no, especially not after 60 year or whatever.

[QUOTE=Mr. Soul]Lets see you say this in germany , your sorry ass will be arrested immedialtelly by the germans . In case you didn't know it is ILLEGAL to deny the holocust in germany itself . Now who's the stupid here moron ?