So if they've started WW3, when does the draft start?
 

Are any other Americans aged 18-35 worried about the return of the military draft? Certainly the majority of the Americans here fall into this age class, or close to it. Personally there's no way I'm being sent to Iran to fight a holy war. I will seriously move my family to Canada or elsewhere.

As it's starting to become more and more obvious that our wars are only going to get worse, is anyone starting to seriously think about this? Anyone have a plan of what they'll do if it happens? Will you let them draft you? Even Canada may not be an option with their current leadership. Geneva anyone? I think it's stupid to just brush off the draft as an impossibility at this point, our leaders are attempting to transform the framing of our conflicts into a "Global war".

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Hell my brother is 39 and worried. He and I are both ex military. Him more so than I, but either way, we both have skillz that they will want.

Im out of here in a second. Haha or maybe i will buy me out if its possible.

But ww3 won't happen.. middle east? you dont need a gazzillion troops anymore with wars.. it's all long distance bullshit. presh a button, then wait for the others to presh a button.

The draft is a very real possiblity. I did my time and have my % disability from the injuries the first go around.

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I'm not worried about it. I spent 7 years in the Army and served in two combat zones. I have a pretty serious knee injury so I dont think they'd let me serve again, but if they would I'd go back if drafted and not be a pussy and run to Canada.

It has nothing to do with being a pussy, cowboy. If we were being invaded I would fight. It's about not wanting to kill innocent people to make money for criminals because Dear Leader tells me I have to.

Wars have kind of progressed backwards though. Sure we can blow the fuck up out of anything and everything. That is the easy part. Most people know this and know they can not compete, so the resort to guerrilla style tactics which require ground troops.

If somebody invades this country I'll be the first one to take up arms to send their asses to whatever respective god(s) they believe in. I WILL NOT invade another country for WHATEVER REASON. We have far too many problems at home that need taken care of and I think it?s foolish to pour money and our resources into other countries, especially when we don?t regulate that money to see where it goes (i.e. does it go to help feed the people or does it go to line the pockets of a select few?). Let the Draft come. Watch how many new prisons they'll have to build for those who refuse to go to war.

Disarming Hezbollah will require at minimum a ground invasion of Lebanon, which will require ground troops. Stopping Iran's nuclear program requires a ground invasion of that country, which will require 1 million+ troops. Syria will also require a large force, not to mention Egypt if they get involved. Changing the regime in North Korea would take at least one million troops. Where are they all going to come from? How many volunteer soldiers do you think we have? Why do you think our rulers and thought controllers have started telling us that this is world war three?

The problems we're talking about "solving" will not be solved with smart bombs.

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fuck I thought cutoff was 25???

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Those fucking Hezbollah guys are really stirring the pot with there bullshit. I just watched one of there guys on a live interview with Larry King tell him that it's normal practice to kidnap soldiers to start negotiations. I was dumbfounded at how nonchalantly he said it. As if it were ok to just kidnap people and hold them hostage to get what you want. They are fucking loony toon crazy people and I don't want any part of dealing with people who have such a raw disregard for human life.

It isn't exactly just the US on edge with North Korea and Iran.

People keep talking about WW3. Why? Every battle or "crisis" that comes along isn't going to lead to WW3. I think we'll see it in our generations lifetime, but not now.

Iran is doing something that nobody wants them doing. So is North Korea. Iran is more of a threat than NK, IMO. Iran is dealing with nuclear technology, while feeding a militant group arms, and telling the world to fuck off while doing it all. NK is over there waving their fists hoping to get attention.

You say NK is going to take one million ground troops. I'm just curious why you say that. I really have no idea and have seen nobody else mention one million ground troops, where did you see that or what makes you think that? We have several air bases in the region, plus Japan is sitting right there. Japan doesn't want NK throwing a hissy fit anymore than we do, so they would definitely be involved, not to mention other countries as well.

Invading Iraq was more sketchy than either Iran or NK. The Iraq invasion didn't have a whole lot of world support, while right now everyone has their eyes pointed towards Iran and NK. If needed, I'm sure we could now launch an Iranian attack right out of Iraq, which is a huge advantage today whereas 5 years ago it never existed.

I don't know. I hear people talk about WW3 and a new draft every 6 months. I don't understand why. Why get all worked up about something that is probably not going to happen?

That is what happens there. Israel takes hostages all the time. Hezbollah wants some returned, so they take hostages, and negotiate a trade. The last time this happened was 2004. In fact, despite CNN forgetting to report this, before the first hostage was taken Hezbollah warned Israel that they would take hostages if Israel did not release the hostages they had taken.

Israel's aggression is not going to stop Hezbollah. Hezbollah only exists due to the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. All they're doing is setting Lebanon back another 30 years. The re-Lebanization of Lebanon, if you will.

I know it's hard to understand the situation when you're watching cable news and they call people from one side "prisoners" and people from the other side "hostages", they call attacks from one side "terrorism" and attacks from the other side "retaliation" or "self defense", and CNN forgets to mention the 57 dead in Lebanon yesterady while constantly talking about the one dead in Israel, but you have to put things into perspective. The Israeli ambassador to the UN said on Fox yesterday that all Muslims are terrorists, yet you're concerned about the disregard for human life from Hezbollah. We need to stop pinning blame on one side and we need to start forcing these idiots to stop fighting. These religious idiots (on both sides) are going to draw the rest of the world into a serious world war.

It makes me sad to watch people like Bill O'Rielly or Wolf Blitzer attempting to whip us all into another war frenzy. I used to get made watching these idiots but now I just get sad. All they want is war and all we're going to get are more dead people, more disabled veterns, and more poverty. Of course, all of these idiots on TV telling us we should want these Muslims dead have never and are ever going to go anywhere near a battlefield.

Sly I don't agree with you. I think there is a large chance that these wars are going to get out of control within the next 5 years. Perhaps within the next six months. I'm not saying it's a done deal but there is certainly cause enough to be prepared. Look at how similar situations have escalated throughout history. When militants have control of both sides, things get out of control quickly. Citizens are often caught off guard. Especially after war breaks out in the name of religion. It's hard to make peace when both sides have been raised to think that the other side is sub-human. The people who assume this won't happen for decades and when it does, we'll have plenty of time to make plans, are the people who are going to get fucked. What will happen if you wake up tomorrow and read that a nuke has gone off inside Israel? Or that Israel has nuked Iran?

I also do not think that the population of the western world supports attacks against Iran and/or North Korea more than they supported the war in Iraq. Perhaps there are more right wing leaders at the moment who are more willing to get behind Bush; Germany and Canada primarily, but these are not dictatorships. In these countries the leaders have to worry about the will of the people. People in Germany and Canada are not ready to get behind a US invasion of Iran. We'd be lucky to have as many coalition members as we had in Iraq. Talk to people in other countries. People are not all worked up about North Korea testing missiles, as our media would love us to believe. You're right about Japan, but they do not have any kind of military capable of invading North Korea.

Ok, but you didn't mention why you think NK will take one million ground troops. NK is shooting off failing missiles, if nobody else seems to care right now like you said, what makes you think we'll up and send over one million ground troops?

I guess my real question is, what will those one million American ground troops be doing that can't be accomplished by the Air Force and Navy? Yes, of course I know that ground troops will always be needed for support and to get things setup, etc, but you're talking about one million. Thats a lot of people to take over a country that can't fire a missile successfully.

I don't need to talk to people in other countries about whether or not they're concerned about NK. I don't think people here even care.

Sly, the amount of troops required will depend on the objective. If the objective is destroying their nuclear weapons capability, or installing a western supported government, a complete military occupation will be required. Our air force can not destroy North Korea or Iran's nuclear weapons programs. I don't know how many troops it would take to control these countries. Certainly Iran would take at least twice as many as we sent into Iraq, but realistically, total war will have broken out accross both Iran and Iraq, and millions will be needed to control both countries at the same time. Troops we do not have. North Korea will also not be a cakewalk. They have a much larger and stronger military than Iraq did.

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There will never be another World War.

A World war is when large countries attack other countries, and this isn't about to take place. WWII took place between the largest countries of the world and spanned multiple continents including Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Etc. The only continent that wasn't invovled was South America, and still things were tense there as well.

So far nothing has happened in Korea; They've been trying to start stuff for ages. But North Korea has no hope in hell of winning anything; They can't feed their own people no less start a war.

So far this is between Israel and a few terrorist groups. Iran has been loud about it, but Syria has not. For those of you who have forgotten, Israel is between Eygpt, Syria, and Jordan. And in 1967 during the seven day war Israel serously whipped their asses.

If Russia, China, and the US get involved, then we can talk. However, that isn't about to happen. Russia has it's own problems, and China can't attack because the US buys all of China's products. This isn't the 1940s any more; All of our economic outlooks are tied to each other.

According to Charles Rangel's bill, it could be 42. :helpme

Here we go again......we don't need a draft. More people are being turned down for acceptance into the military than are being accepted. If they relax the requirements (if you've had a felony, taken hard drugs EVER, are a single parent, etc. you aren't eligible), they'll have more than they need.

Plus we can't afford a draft - there's no way to house, feed, clothe and pay everyone who would be eligible.

I joined the navy back in the day with a felony and admitting that I used marijuana before.

I have to ask the question.....


WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY.....did you vote him in again...

its almost as unbelieveable as here in UK as we did the same..


or did we ??????....funny how both wins were kinda the same...

"back in the day" isn't now. Also, past, infrequent marijuana use is OK, hard drugs are not. My son almost didn't get into the USAF because he broke his arm when he was 15. He had to be cleared by the AF surgeon general.

They used to not allow you in if you had ever taken medication like Ritalin, but now you're OK if it's been more than 12 months since you've taken it.

being turned down for felonys and drugs charges when APPLYINIG to the military is not the same as being drafted where these things will be ignored ...no,, in fact they will get to go in first

Very unlikely to happen, but that said, all you tools can go fight your war for Israel, personally I'd never go fight in the ME to take out Governments I don't give a shit about. If WW3 started and Australian inevitably went along with the US to go take out some of Israel's enemies I'd never go and fight. In fact I'd honestly move to Europe and take up arms against those that are welcoming and contributing the Islamization of Europe long before I'd go fight some proxy war to protect Israel.

Back in the day was 1996

Mr. Soul.. I soooo agree!

Many americans have the problem that they only have cable news to watch. The internet should help since bbc.co.uk and other english speaking sites outside the US will report it differently, but its hard for americans to see the big picture.

In europe its a lot easier. Here in germany I can easily watch news agencies from 4 countries and ALL of them report differently. But if you peice it all together you notice the similarities.

What you said is totally correct though, its sad how CNN and FOX report things so extremely biased. Politics...

The different branches of the Military raise and lower standards on a need to basis depending upon meeting enlistment quotas. I knew a female person who was a college grad that attempted to enlist in the Airforce pre 9/11 and was denied because she had received two traffic tickets for speeding. I do not know if the current standards for enlistment in the Airforce are that stringent.

WW3 is a buzzword.. like 'synergy', 'team-player' or 'strategic realignment'

You are correct in that there are numerous means to increase our forces without a draft. One immediate way is to activate all of our National Gaurd and Reserve forces as well as call up all Ready Reserves. These acts alone should easily increase our active duty forces by 1,000,000 warm bodies.

It would be fantastic if we got anything besides US news here. You have to have a pricey satellite package to get even the CBC and BBC. Those networks aren't perfect but they make our news networks look like Nazi propaganda.

im not saying they will or wont bring the draft back, but im not worried about it

Since when is the Middle East a continent?

i'm ready

Im not worried, im too old for their likes...

but i bet 75% of GFY is shitting their pants! lolol

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