What is Realy Going on in the West Bank
 

Those Israelies are pretty evil over there.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...23714384920696

No wonder the Palestinein's want to kill them.

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No wonder in deed, I watched the entire video:disgust

Bump, cause I am pissed at them.

Instead of watching some half-baked video that some biased organization put together why don't you do some research about the history of the Middle East.
I mean they merely mentioned in the beginning how and why there are occupied territories which seems to be what that video is all about.
If you google
"history of Israel" and
"history of Palestine" (with the quotes) as well as for Lebanon

Why do certain people think this is a fuckin political forum? Either that or a board to push Jew hating on everyone. :321GFY

The vid surely needs another bump. They should put that vid on CNN :winkwink:

You watched the entire 1hr 19min video?
You need to get a life.

can everyone stop hating on israel

You might be surprized how many Israelis don't approve of their own government's actions. Some are gung-ho, like the keyboard warriors on here; but a similar number are opposed and many belong to groups like "Peace Now" and "There's A Limit". The vast majority want security without being aggressors, but have no idea how to make that happen.

You can see that split reflected in Israeli elections, in which relatively few people - depending largely on the "heat" of recent events - switch between the hawkish parties and the dovish ones. As a rule no-one ends up with enough votes to govern by themselves.

Yes this video is biased, but it's the other side of a story being told by a biased American media. Everyone should watch this.

You mean like how in the early days of WWW I Britain promised the Arabs in the Middle East an independent state if they attacked the Ottoman empire?

And how they were betrayed two years later when a regime change in London brought in a government who thought they could get US support to enter the war if they promised an Isreal to the Jews?

The Arabs in the Middle East have been treated like pawns for 100 years.

And we are surprised that they are pissed.

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there's really no limit to how low you terrorist sympathisers will go, is there?

thats one silly version of history. instead of one state, the arabs now have many all provided by the victors of WWII. Sadly, its not enough for these savages as long as Israel has just one state of their own.

Thank you for this wonderful contribution. I personally would have picked a more intense title for this thread to get max views but none the less, a great contribution to the board here. Glad to see there are many people out there that dedicate some of their time to exposing the evils of our world.

[QUOTE=jayeff]You might be surprized how many Israelis don't approve of their own government's actions. Some are gung-ho, like the keyboard warriors on here; but a similar number are opposed and many belong to groups like "Peace Now" and "There's A Limit". The vast majority want security without being aggressors, but have no idea how to make that happen.
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yeah, and we have moveon.org etc.
Neither one is relevant.
you know what happened to doves and peace nics since the begining of time?
They were killed unless they had hawkish allies. Sadly, doves have been allowed to flourish to the point where they think their way is the right way.

fuckin' israelies :(

what has the Israel/Arab/Palestinian conflict taught me?

... one should kill all the goat herders in the area before building a state there.

Forgetting any "anti" or "pro" stuff Paul - this has been going on for decades. It originally started with oppression. Once that sets in, at some future time, there will be revolt - and this is gradually increasing.

Because this may now be the prime focus of US media does not mean it never happened before. It did.

There are catlogs of human rights violations going back decades, - some involving Ariel Sharon as a military officer.

Several folks I know came from that region and left years ago. They left simply because they were not willing to bring their families up under these conditions. If you listen to their stories of "home" - it's about early dawn roundups in villages and the occupants being assembled into village squares. Some young men when then selected to be stuffed in internment camps without trial.

Basically.... Gaza is a created ghetto where little consideration is given to the occupants. A comparison with the Warsaw ghetto may be extreme, but the principles still apply.

ones position on the issue is a simple question of where you feel like stopping on the timeline of world history. 5000 years ago. 72 A.D. the 3rd century. 1950's. or last week.

over 50 centuries of murder, slaughter, rape, pillage, conquest and being conquered didn't begin yesterday... it didn't begin "decades" ago.

you can't adopt any position on the issue without being biased towards one side or the other. there just isn't an objective position to be taken.

funnny how quickly everyone forgot Israels withdrawal prior to this and how many rocket attacks they ignored until hamas finally made it clear that peace in the neighborhood was simply not on the agenda.

It has little to do with Hamas, rocket attacks or much more stories purveyed by eg US media. Hamas and rocket attacks are the end result of oppression and aggression over decades.

Use a current example... since when was it ever rational to bomb the offices of an elected leader - continue with further offensive, killing mainly civilians, - women and children, - set up naval blockades, bomb infrastructre including roads, bridges and airports - all on the alleged "excuse" of a few Israeli soldiers??? DUH???

There is no longer any justification for claims of "defense" - this has been consistant agression and oppression for decades.

Bottom line... kill my family and destroy my home and I will destroy you. There is a choice.

Hi! When you gonna come back under the "lazonby" nick so we could play again :Graucho

I wrote my first article in support of the Palestinians more than 35 years ago and that support has never wavered. But I also lived in Tel Aviv for 10 years and married into a well-known (jewish) Israeli family. My wife's family, from Russia, were among the first jewish settlers in Israel at the beginning of the last century. In short, I have a fairly uncommon view of both perspectives.

One thing I learned a long time ago, is that only outside Israel are people still arguing about whose fault it all is. To Israelis and Palestinians, that has long been irrelevant. Nor do more than a tiny minority on either side harbor genocidal feelings towards the other. Most want to live peacefully, like people everywhere: they just don't know how to make it happen. The Palestinians know that without violence, their plight would be forgotten. Israelis know from more than half a century of experience that retaliation only breeds further violence, but an Israeli government which didn't respond would have no future.

David Ben Gurion once said something along the lines of "the old will die and the young will forget" and of course history has proved him tragically wrong.

Nice post! :thumbsup

Very similar lines along which the only two families I know of and who came from that region. They have little bitterness, some regrets, but no malice.

Perhaps a first step towards peace may be to dump the external "path to peace" brokers and get genuine parties involved who have no other self-interest.

i never was:disgust

What it needs is for someone to find a viable home for several million Palestinians. That isn't going to happen any time soon, so...

It's refreshing to hear a first person perspective. Nice :thumbsup

So they are a fucking extremist group.. but how's hezbollah any different than Haganah/Igrun/Lehi terrorist groups of the 50s?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29 isn't it like I say potatoe but you say potatoe? :disgust I guess history repeats itself :Oh crap

uh, we're here in 2006?

don't confuse yourself.
I smack down rabble under my own name, always.
I'm far too vain to use a nom de plume.

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nice reasoning! superb! you get an "A" for that reasoning. Good reasoning against history being repeated :thumbsup lol

So now, how about Magshimey Herut? Formed in 1999 and still in existence.. would you still call that a potatoe?

Magshimey Herut views itself as loyal to the basic Zionist teachings of Zev Jabotinsky. There is, however, evidence that the movement takes great liberty in interpreting Jabotinsky?s views. Due to Magshimey Herut's involvement in social causes and semi-religious orientation, some critics argue that the group's ideological leanings are closer to those of Uri Zvi Greenberg and Avraham Stern?s Lehi organization than to Jabotinsky and the Irgun underground (with whom Betar closely identifies).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magshimey_Herut

This is very true.

All of this is about land. I'm sure that Mexico has some claims to land against the US, such as California and Texas. If Mexico was to start lobbing missiles and bombs into the US, yeah, there would be some kind of response from the US.

Their land was taken from them decades ago. Get over it already and move on. A piece of land isn't worth a single life on either side. Lay down your weapons, say your sorry, kiss and make up already. Concentrate on making your country a better place to live instead of beinc concerned about some stupid ass piece of land.

silly kids.:1orglaugh

google "Magshimey Herut bombings" and then google "muslim bombings"
I'll wait.:1orglaugh

hmm.. I googled and found no relativity between those 2 search terms. However, then I went ahead and searched with the term "Israeli Terrorists" and found this: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/14/28660.html :1orglaugh

and this: http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/0...ter-and-20-pm/

uh, a story from pravda about 2 israelis being questioned about "small explosive parts" in washington state?

instead of grasping at staws, just go away.:1orglaugh

This video is very one sided..Mostly being said in this video is about occupation. Ask yourself why there is occupation in the first place.

how dare the Israelis defend their country and try to get prisoners back home!

evil indeed

you are outlining the true problem... peoples ability to rationalize ANYONES behavior and rendering it down to simple issues of right and wrong and asymetrical behaviors. but its not really that simple and you are not on to anything new. the fact is that no argument you can make can be made without a counter argument... hence, the conflict with no hope of resolution. luckily, the GFY braintrust has all the answers and hopefully these threads will be e-mailed to the UN, Hamas and Israeli Parliment.

arguing and debating an issue like this with the logic and reasoning that demands there be a right and wrong is a losing debate... its been done in the region for a few millenia already.

to answer your questions... (i personally don't care how many israelis or palestinians get killed or why) --- Israels tactic has been simple ... to make the costs of supporting terrorism, funding terrorism and committing terrorist acts outweigh the benefit. Israel is surrounded by people that want to see them all wiped off the map, by countries that today, that refuse to acknowledge their existence as a state. and by statese that fund terrorist groups whos principle existence is centered on fundamental ideas like killing all jews, driving them out of Israel etc etc.

the problem is complex and trying to argue that its final resolution can be found in simply doing "x,y,z" as you and others are doing is like watching a pack of third graders trying to debate better ways to put a space station into orbit around mars.

its fortuneate that Israel used your logic when they were surrounded on all sides and attacked by their neighbors.

right... abide by the peace plan, withdraw your troops, destroy illegal settlements and work towards peace and compromise according to an agreed plan and suddenly some huge terrorist organizations fear becoming irrelevent and have to lash out... proving YET AGAIN... that their goal isn't and never was "peace" to begin with.

oh well... anything they can all do to keep Iran happy... now Iran can finally go back to their nuclear program because the outspoken retards of the world are busy watching which buildings israelis bomb while a terrorist government and radical neighbors attack....and north korea can keep dilligently working on their own failed nuclear blackmail plan to keep a dying regime from collapsing... surely they are probably not real happy about not grabbing headlines anymore with their usual "fuck you, we'll kill you all -- but lets get together and talk about it because we really can use the oil, food aid and medicine" rhetoric... so i am sure there will be some dramatic remarks from them in the coming weeks. i am starting to sympathize a little with Iran and N Korea... megalomaniacal sociopaths hate not getting all the attention.
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I say turn the place to glass. And then start all over.

Maybe we can build a New Mecca.

Grasping at straws?? Fucking A :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Look who's talking? We used to be terrorist in the 50s but since it's the 2006 we don't want anyone to learn from what we did in the 50s and ya know since it's the 2006 people should just forget that we used to be the illegal immigrants in Palestine who drove them away from their own homes and beat their asses down to the ground.. LOL that's not just straw that's worse than a lamer straw :helpme :1orglaugh

yo b I was hoping you knew...

GFY is being weird...

Funny how the holiest most sacred land in the world is so fucked up and filled with pure hatred and endless violence.

more drunken fairy tales?
have you no self awareness?:1orglaugh

could you come up with any lamer comeback? well.. actually an even lamer wouldn't be a big surprise :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh Sad but true, it may sound harsh as fuck but in the long run it would have caused far less problems imo

I'm from Northern Ireland so i can relate completely to the whole situation in Israel. I'll tell you this much, once their are two sides that have had the kind of conflict that there has been in Israel there can NEVER EVER be peace in the region EVER. The ONLY solution is for one of them to leave or be killed.

No amount of wishful thinking is going to change this sadly, after this kind of conflict there is so much pure hate on both sides that its not possible for peace to happen. Even if the vast majority (on both sides) want peace badly there is always going to be that minority that will try and fuck it up in any way they can !

How do you attempt to reason with a man who has had his entire family murdered by someone ? how can you expect a man to forgive the people who murdered his family and move on with his life ? Violence breeds violence, hate breeds hate, this is human nature and sadly we need to accept it.

I doubt you would have that view if it was your land and your home that had been taken away from you dude.