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Paul Markham 07-15-2006 01:42 AM

Shooting Content 101 A Newbies guide.
 
This barely scratches the surface to what we shooters do. Not just us, all good shooters.

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Here are a few pointers to those thinking about shooting porn. This is a very long post so sit down and make yourself comfortable. Anyone who thinks I'm trying to put people off can tell us how much content that shoot and give their advice to how it should be done.

After nearly 30 years shooting porn, I know it can be fun and profitable, if you follow a few simple and basic rules.

The first thing to decide on is equipment and which is usually dictated by your budget. Thankfully good digital cameras are getting better and cheaper. My favourite for the budget conscious is Nikon D70, but I hear they now have the Nikon D50. So go do some research. What ever camera you buy make sure the images are not "buffered" before they are written to the external memory. Test the camera out before you buy it, go to the shop and try it out with your compact disc, then take it home and compare the results.

Excellent place to compare. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/

Lighting. Invest in two strobe flash lights, slave unit, stands and umbrellas and budget more for these than the cameras. Cheap lights are a crap shoot and when they blow up because you over used them you will find the money you saved disappear in the profit of one ruined days shoot. A flash light metre is also a handy thing to have but not essential. Do not use Tungsten lights for stills photography. They give a bad light, get hot which upsets the models and are too bright for a models to keep their eyes open all the time.

Video camera. To be honest I know very little about videos cameras, we use the Sony V2000 but I'm sure there are cheaper makes. For lighting use the lights builders and handymen use, with some umbrellas or bounced off the ceiling they're adequate for video.

Now spend a few days experimenting and getting to know the cameras and lights. Don't suddenly discover a button is not working, as it should, in front of a model. Credibility is everything with models. Seen the pictures where the model is looking at you as if they thinks you're a loser? That's what they thought of the photographer who took those pictures. Or even worse bored, that's because they has been waiting twenty minutes for him to figure out how the camera works. Get very comfortable with the equipment even if it's only shooting the cat. If you can get your wife, girlfriend or boyfriend to pose even better. It's about learning to use the camera and lights. This is a good time to get down to your local bookstore and buy a couple of books or local library.

Budgeting to spend around $3,000 for cameras and lights. It can be done cheaper, but this is about doing it right. If you are going to improve you will not do so by cutting corners. Read the books and manuals that came with the equipment. Then practise some more using the equipment. Lighting is crucial and you can only learn this by trial and error and a good book on lighting. Even amateur lighting needs some thought. With a digital camera it's possible to check the results immediately after taking the shots.

Now decide what to shoot? This is easy. Look under your bed for all the porno mags and videos, check out your favourite paysites and ask yourself "What do I like" If you do not have any STOP. Think about it, would you buy a steak from a vegetarian? Gays shoot gay content; boob guys shoot big tits, etc. your favourite niche is what you understand and if you haven't had many years "enjoying" porno, how the hell are you going to produce something for anyone else to enjoy?

Anyone can point a camera at a naked girl and say smile, but you will find this tough to sell. Because pornography is to stimulate someone into thinking erotically you need to capture more than the flesh. You need to capture the fantasy, how much easier is it if you understand the fantasy as well? Study the porn more than the photography.

Look at the poses, study them, memorise them, the settings and the progression/order they appear in. Remember which position and action that caught your attention, commit to memory the things that turn you on.

Never ignore magazines, for stills content and top selling DVDs for video, at this point they are essential. Just make sure thay are in the same style/niche you intentd shooting. They have been satisfying men's fantasies for years. Every day an editor's mailbag is full of readers letters commenting on the girls, poses and settings. This is how they know, what's popular, what to include and what to leave out. DVD sales are built on people coming back to see the next months edition. It's simple, those who survived in this market did so because they are good and not because of the traffic they could drive.

The Internet is just a new medium delivering to men what we've been looking at since we started painting on walls. It's usually the excuse of the failed that say, "This is a different market where the normal rules don't count". Or "I'm trying to do something different" usually means "This is all I can do" Yes I know you want to bring in your own style and "signature" to the work, that is for later when you know a more. Learn to crawl first and walk before you run.

Here's the best piece of advice I have for you. I've been shooting years and still use posing books. Display folders, with all the poses, for a style and situation (solo-Girl Girl-Boy Girl-Girl), all laid out in shooting order. All photographers lose the plot or dry up during a shoot and the folder becomes very helpful. For the novice it's essential. How many times do you see a set on the Internet containing 120+ images? however when you view the thumbs you find the shooter has repeated every picture 3-6 times and in truth the set has 20 different poses. This is the biggest fault with the "Amateur" photographer. Shoot a minimum of 100 different shots; it's easy if you plan it.

Now we have to think about the settings and props. Setting are important. It has to fit the fantasy. Again look at magazines and DVDs; too many "Internet" photographers completely ignore these mediums. Their work usually suffers because of this. Look at the style of the scene and the setting. An "Amateur" magazine will pose a housewife in the kitchen, Playboy fly girls to the Seychelles or hire a multi million dollar house for their shoots. Sounds like common sense, so I don't need to say anymore.

Think about the setting, clothing and props together and have them all ready. Dont shoot pale girl in white underwear on white sheets. Changing underwear or bed linen does not make it a different set. The guys doing this are usually trying to shoot 10 sets in three hours to keep the cost down. Why do they need to keep the costs down? Their work does not sell. No prizes for why, it's a chicken and egg situation.

Never assume a model will turn up with a suitcase full of clothing suitable for the assignment. People model because they need money. Be ready to provide whatever is required for them to wear. Before booking ask what size they are and get the appropriate clothing and underwear for the shoot. Whatever style the pictures are, the clothing must fit. The bottom line is UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING CREATED. 18+ is not about a girl in full make up and stockings and suspenders, Fem/Dom is not a cutie in white socks. Of course for shooting "housewives style" none of this applies. Tell her to bring NORMAL clothing. But be careful because she may turn up with all the Sunday best clothing.

Doctor Dre 07-15-2006 01:44 AM

I read that guide last week. I recommend it to anybody who is looking to get into the content business.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 01:44 AM

And some more.


Next vibrators or props, whips, chains, shoes, etc. to suit the style. Plan what you are going to do. Make sure there is a selection, don't use the same things in every set. Have everything ready before models turn up. Also make sure any toys or vibrators are washed before and after use and let the girl see it being done. They never ask a boy "When was the last time you washed that" But they will with a vibrator. Also have a couple of different sizes, do not get out a dildo the size of a baby holding a peach and expect her to use it.

So now every thing should be ready, equipment, posing book, location, clothing, and props. So what's missing? The girl.

This for the novice is one of the difficult things, which even though I'm going to tell how to find them, does not always work. Finding models and interviewing them is very important. This is when to establish first contact and make those very necessary first impressions. Who is this person, will they be suitable for the job, bored, frightened or going to try to be in charge. Remember they need the money, more than you need 4-6 hours with an attitude you would not take from a waitress. It's your money on the table. This is not the time for her to be in charge.

Establish credibility, firm but fair. "You know what this is all about."

Even though in charge you're an easy person to get on with. Always have a joke to ready, just make sure it's not derogatory or sexist. There are different types of people that model. To be honest most of them do it for the money. They either need a quick buck or are "Sex workers" which includes everything from models to hookers. And all need handling different.

Do not try walking up to girls in the mall, it will end in trouble. Try placing an ad in the local free paper or classifieds. In a big city it works, if you're in the mid west Bible belt they probably will not take your ad. Look at other ads and you may find agents that deal with "Erotic" modelling. But the most obvious is the Net, search for models and agencies. Try avoiding strippers and lap dancers. This is just a general rule but over the years I've found these girls to be difficult to work with and normally not worth bothering with. These girls work of an evening so when you want to shoot, she would normally be sleeping, she's used to being defencive, not thinking when she's working, working a crowd and not a single person, used to being in charge with men and other things. The most important is she does not need the money as much, think about it.

One of the ways that we find girls is through the girls we work with, they had such a good time they tell other girls to come and see us. Once you're established finding girls is the easy part. In reality there is no shortage of girls willing to pose nude, just a shortage of very good ones.

So far we have dealt with the easy part of of producing porn, now we move onto the tough part and the part that will make or break you.

When running a casting, explain precisely what you're doing, when, where, how much work, who will be present (Never shoot a girl without someone else there, preferably a woman) and most important, how much they will earn. You cannot tell precisely how long it will take because you do not know how quickly they can pose. It's best to say we do this, this and this and then we are finished. Leave nothing to chance. Get her to fill in a form with her name, sizes and lists the type of work you do.

To which she agrees or disagrees to each category, with a simple YES NO or NOT SURE. Models have a habit of suddenly stopping and saying "I did not agree to do that" and usually followed by "But will for extra money". She thinks she has you in a fix. I then show her the form and explain this is what she was booked and being paid for and she can always go home. In fact if she does not want to do it she might as well go anyway. They usually discover its no problem. Just determine that if it is a problem then you will not force her and she can go home. This makes sure she does it with the right look.

To resell the content you have to have copies of two forms of the models valid government ID, with name, date of birth and picture and sign a model release granting you the rights to resell her image as YOU see fit. Without the model having the right to approve sales or pictures. They is being paid to model for content to be sold.

Now they've been told everything, ask them to do a couple of test pictures. You need to see them nude, the last thing you want to discover on the day of the shoot is that she's had open-heart surgery. Or got a picture of Bob Marley tattooed on her back along with another Rastafarian who turned out to be her boyfriend. I kid you not, it happened to me!!

If they have problems showing them self nude, think why. The plan is to spend money, based on what they looks like and how they perform nude. Most will understand and strip off with no problems, so be warned this is a good time to establish how "Cool" you are about nudity.

So every thing is fine, book them and ALWAYS get them to confirm 24 hours before the shoot they is still coming. They have a habit of changing their minds or getting another better paying assignment.

When booking women check that she will not be menstruating that day. Ask coolly as if you are asking her what bus she catches to come to the shoot. For men it's a problem, for woman normal. Make it sound normal to ask.

Do not book girls 1-2 days before a period. It can turn out messy, or she could have PMS, which could be worse. Again a good way to establish your credibility, don't tell her the reasons, she's a woman and knows them.

The interview is where we find out who is or is not suitable. It's all about judgement and experience. If a model is scared but worth shooting, how do you make them feel comfortable. Or are they doing you a favour by modelling? Are they on drugs? Do they think they will be in charge? Or will they show what's between their legs, but not between their ears?

Porn is not just a model with their legs open, that's meat and we shoot the dream that they wants to satisfy our fantasy. Capturing this fantasy is all important, lose it and you're just another guy pointing a camera at naked people, capture the fantasy and you're a pornographer. What's the difference worth to you? $50,000 and upwards a year.

At last we are there, the day of the shoot. Ready?

Run a checklist

Equipment, locations, clothing, dressing gown, props, music, refreshments, model releases all ready.

Forgot to say, models normally do things better to music. They will want to listen to your Metalica or Frank Sinatra collection. Have some choices ready and before starting to photograph, ask what kind of music they like to listen to.

NEVER give a girl alcohol it leaves you open to giving her more and they will lose it or they could accuse you of making them drunk. Have juice, coffee, tea or sodas ready. Also get something light for a break midday. If it's an all day shoot.

They will need to get out of their day clothes into a robe or house coat, don't want to shoot them with underwear lines. Unless that's the style.

Is the location ready? Did you remove your dirty socks from behind the sofa? Best check. Got the right clothing, bedspreads and covers to suit her A mistake a lot of photographers make, is shooting a very pale model on a white sheet. It's unflattering. And beware of something that will give a colour cast, bright oranges and yellows are to be avoided.

When they arrive greet them, do not thank them for coming. Ask if they would like a drink. Give them the robe and tell them where change into it. When changed and sitting with a drink, go over what you agreed at the casting they were doing today.

Confirm that they have IDs with them. Then if you have make up artist it's over to her while you go check the lighting or a cigarette because everything is ready. Now the work starts.

The first shots to every set are the ID shots. Holding both IDs next to their face and photograph it all close as possible, got be able to read the IDs on the image. Never forget, do this at the beginning of the shoot. they may have forget to bring them and if the work is done has to be paid. It's your fault for not checking.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 01:45 AM

And hopefully to finish.

Getting a model to strip, show their body and do something vaguely sexual is easy. Getting them to reveal their sensuality is an art and what will cut you apart from so many others. Flattery and flirting are acceptable, but be warned if it comes over as being pushy or that you're after more than pictures, most times you might as well pack up and call it a day. JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NAKED AND SMILING DO NOT "HIT" ON THEM. On the other hand do not act to cool by yawning. The pictures needed are of

her looking ready, willing and able. Not looking for the way out. Tell her she looks beautiful in that outfit and if it's her first time or just started, that she's a natural. Every one likes to be flattered. What I have not mentioned in your preparations is YOU. Did you shower and shave this morning? Clean your teeth and gargle with mouthwash. Are you clothes fresh on? If you have a "beer belly" wear something loose. Buy expensive aftershave. Use deodorant. Think about what you are going to talk about.

Strange as it sounds 18 to 22 year olds are not turned on by middle age rednecks, with bad breath, stomachs hanging over their belts and popping the buttons on their shirts. You want them looking into the lens, with a look that will give the viewer the thought that they was "Ready for a FUCK" Not a look that makes him feel like a loser that could not get laid in a brothel. Every day guys who think they can shoot porn email us pictures. One look at the picture tells us, what the model thinks of him.

Remember the poses and shoot them in the progression normal for the style.

When it comes to that moment when to use a vibrator hand it to her and offer her the lube. Did remember to wash the vibrator didn't you?

Keep them involved in the shoot and try to keep their mind as open as her legs. This is the art and it will take a few shoots to develop a comfortable technique models will respond positively to. Do not expect to be good at it from day one. The idea that you can pick up a camera, shoot porn and bring something new to the porn industry is as far fetched as thinking you can drive a car from day one.

After each set let them have a drink and cigarette, assuming they smoke. Relocate the lights for the next shoot. Never leave a model alone in a house, have a female assistant sit with her. Two reasons, don't want her rolling up a joint or going through the cupboards.

When the shoot is finished and another drink break sign the documents and then pay her the money. NEVER PAY FOR A SESSION UP FRONT. It can remove their willingness to work properly so they just goes through the motions.

So far it's cost you money and now it's time to get this money back, plus a profit. For those that own their websites there's the first market and maybe that's all that is needed.

Here are some pointers about selling on the Internet.

Everything is dependant on the quality of your porn, not the quality of your photography. If you want to make really good money you need your content to convince surfers that it's worth $30 a month to see. If it's no different or better than 50% of what is already around you will struggle to make a profit. If you've done your job right and learned well you will be earning very big money.

If you already have a paysite, you are already set and need no more advice. A paysite is the most profitable way of using your content. But you will need at least 50 scenes, unless you're shooting something very weird. Small paysites opened by newbies usually struggle.

There are some very good Content Providers who are more than happy to take good content and broker it. You get a 50% to 40% cut of sales They've got their own loyal client base, which you cannot get to, clients see them as the place to buy content. Check out these people first to see what their track record id like. If they ask for the exclusive rights to resell your content ask them for a guaranty of what they will return over a set period of time. If they refuse find another broker. This is because few content providers can effectively sell your work as much as 4-5 can. This is the best way to return a profit on your work without opening a site.

Thirdly shooting Custom exclusive for other paysites. Prices vary on this and as a newbie you're at a disadvantage. For a solo girl scene set and video you can earn $300 to $500 a scene, lesbian $600 to $1200 and hardcore $1000 to $2000. These are rough prices and some will pay more and some will pay less. My take on these prices is simple, think about how many times a broker has to sell your content to pay you more than this, now think of 4-5 brokers.

So that's it, we do this every day of the week, casting, preparing and shooting. And if after reading this you have an insight into what is needed.

Doctor Dre 07-15-2006 01:46 AM

Did you add anything new ? It seems longer ? Maybe it's just the board... with the 10k chars limit.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 01:49 AM

Anyone can pick up a camera and point it at a naked person. This is a proven fact by looking around the Internet at some sites.

Few people can make a model who turned up for the money, with a defensive attitude and no intentions of having sex, even if they are doing BG or Lesbian, look like she/he would fuck the world for a pizza.

Shooting content of models we would fuck is easy, shooting content of models who will fuck us is the skill that pays the BIG dollars.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
I read that guide last week. I recommend it to anybody who is looking to get into the content business.

I would say it's required reading for anyone getting into the porn industry. A basic knowledge of how the product you sell is produced is essential.

I used to sell office furniture and the first thing I wanted to see was the factory, it helped me understand my job better.

Nothing new added.

martinsc 07-15-2006 01:54 AM

bookmarked it :thumbsup
thanks Paul

bangman 07-15-2006 02:06 AM

Excellent, excellent read. Thanks Paul.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 02:11 AM

ANYONE WITH ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR ADVICE IS FREE TO POST IT.

The better product we deliver to our customers, the better we understand the product, the more we sell. How tough is that to figure out?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 07-15-2006 02:13 AM

Damn! You rock, Paul...great tips!!! :thumbsup

Anyone looking to get into the biz would be wise to print out this thread, and then read it often until they think they get it, and then read it again.

Thanks for sharing,

ADG Webmaster

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Did you add anything new ? It seems longer ? Maybe it's just the board... with the 10k chars limit.

Yes that made it a bit harder to post.

woj 07-15-2006 05:06 AM

good info :thumbsup

sonofsam 07-15-2006 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
ANYONE WITH ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR ADVICE IS FREE TO POST IT.

Comments : Adult is the only place where a guy who is 130 years old can fuck girls who just turned 18 and not be considered a complete pervert

Question : Do these socks make me look fat?

Advice : Stop fucking 18 year olds you creep

Donfoolio 07-15-2006 06:00 AM

Great info! Thanks it has proven a good resource for me personally :thumbsup

Theater 07-15-2006 07:11 AM

Nice very nice, I've shot content with teens Milfs and bbw! The bbws are the hardest to get in front of a camera but end up being the most willing once they get down to it and usually have the best attitudes! Thank You for your great advise PAUL It will come in very handy here in the near future! THEATER

Z 07-15-2006 09:57 AM

Great stuff Paul...bookmarked.

CamsLord 07-15-2006 09:59 AM

great info Paul :thumbsup

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
Comments : Adult is the only place where a guy who is 130 years old can fuck girls who just turned 18 and not be considered a complete pervert

Question : Do these socks make me look fat?

Advice : Stop fucking 18 year olds you creep

I don't think 130 year olds can fuck 18 year olds even in porn, well only if they dig him up.

Do you mean 55 year olds?

Does it make you jealous that I can seduce a younger woman?

Personally I don't go for teens, but if I have to I will.

Part of my success is due to the fact that girls find me attractive, look at the smile. Often it will say a bit more than "How much are you paying me".

georgeyw 07-15-2006 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
I don't think 130 year olds can fuck 18 year olds even in porn, well only if they dig him up.

Do you mean 55 year olds?

Does it make you jealous that I can seduce a younger woman?

Personally I don't go for teens, but if I have to I will.

Part of my success is due to the fact that girls find me attractive, look at the smile. Often it will say a bit more than "How much are you paying me".

ummm WTF? :error

You're 55 and take advantage (yes that IS exactly what it is) of teens?

Attractive? hmmm... Do you realise you have a striking resembelance to this guy?

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~jmunro/skeletor.jpg

Sorry for pissing on your helpful and informative thread but I couldn't believe what you're boasting about...

BrettJ 07-15-2006 04:47 PM

Great read for beginners for sure. Some of it is "common sense" - or at least was to us but we made our fair share of mistakes that reading that would have prevented.

One question - about lighting - and something I still don't understand is good positioning for good all around room filling light. Where should I go to learn more about lighting position - because right now I'm doing a lot of trial and error with emphasis on error.

Tdog 07-15-2006 05:46 PM

Great info, thanks paul.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-15-2006 05:51 PM

Great post MR Markham

first GFY thread to be added to my favorits list :thumbsup

J. Falcon 07-15-2006 05:56 PM

Good stuff, Paul.

pussyluver 07-15-2006 06:22 PM

Thanks Paul. Appreciate the effort!!!!!

adanac 07-15-2006 06:25 PM

Very helpful post Paul, thanx for a ton of good info! I wish I'd read this before I did my free day long introductory shoot, with no benefits for a local solo girl. Live and learn.
Your material is always great!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-15-2006 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Or will they show what's between their legs, but not between their ears?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

AllStar 07-15-2006 08:50 PM

Oh no We will get some people on GFY shooting content who don't know what an F stop is, what a prime is and has NO drive to shoot something cool or beautiful.
I think BMB was right when he said he has seen some of the worst pictures ever taken was on GFY...lol

Paul really I thnk this thread is ridiculous. If somebody has an interest in photography, the last fuckin place to learn that is here on GFY! You are better off posting this on a blog where some people really interested in photography can find it, you know somebody actually doing a search and not just saying hey I have a site maybe I should shoot some pictures.

clicker 07-15-2006 09:08 PM

"Shooting content of models we would fuck is easy, shooting content of models who will fuck us is the skill that pays the BIG dollars."

Priceless.....Thanks Paul!

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theater
Nice very nice, I've shot content with teens Milfs and bbw! The bbws are the hardest to get in front of a camera but end up being the most willing once they get down to it and usually have the best attitudes! Thank You for your great advise PAUL It will come in very handy here in the near future! THEATER

I would say BBW are the ones who are the most scared to show their bodies.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw
ummm WTF? :error

You're 55 and take advantage (yes that IS exactly what it is) of teens?

Attractive? hmmm... Do you realise you have a striking resembelance to this guy?

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~jmunro/skeletor.jpg

Sorry for pissing on your helpful and informative thread but I couldn't believe what you're boasting about...

Maybe the reason you should never pick up a camera is your lack of respect for models. You assume I take advantage of them, ever thought they might know exactly what they are doing?

Plus if this industry is to maximise itself you need guys like me to "Take advantage of them"

Otherwise the product we sell will be flat, dull and hard to sell. The contact between a model is paramount in producing the type of porn Eva and I sell. It's about open, fun loving, crazy, sexy and WILLING girls.

Now if we have to get friendly with models to produce that then that has to be, if that friendliness turns into something more are you saying we should stop it and risk the quality and intimacy of the work it will produce?

Would it be better if a younger person was doing this? Well yes, and to this end I rarely shoot now. I let Eva and our two assistants do the shooting. But if needed I can pick it up and produce a level of porn they are not able, get into a girls head in a way they do not. Produce content that will convert better.

You are like the guy who wants to eat steak but blames the butcher for having to kill it. Frankly you're an amateur, if you don't like what the girls willingly do I suggest you leave the business and stop earning your money from it.

Paul Markham 07-15-2006 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettJ
Great read for beginners for sure. Some of it is "common sense" - or at least was to us but we made our fair share of mistakes that reading that would have prevented.

One question - about lighting - and something I still don't understand is good positioning for good all around room filling light. Where should I go to learn more about lighting position - because right now I'm doing a lot of trial and error with emphasis on error.

Lighting is not a simple thing to learn. Lighting can vary according to the room you're in. Dark and dull surfaces will soak in lighting and bright shiny ones will bounce it all over the pleace.

T%he best place to go to learn is your location. go practise. Take a laptop, write down the light settings take a picture, change it around and take a picture. For a model I use a chair, find it has less attitude than a modle when you're trying to figure things out.

Do you have a flash meter with the facility to read bounced light?

Until you master lighting technique keep it simple and try to produce an amateur style picture. This is done by using the techniques that georgeyw find so bad, so I hope you are 18 otherwise he might get jealous. :1orglaugh

georgeyw 07-16-2006 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Maybe the reason you should never pick up a camera is your lack of respect for models. You assume I take advantage of them, ever thought they might know exactly what they are doing?

Plus if this industry is to maximise itself you need guys like me to "Take advantage of them"

Otherwise the product we sell will be flat, dull and hard to sell. The contact between a model is paramount in producing the type of porn Eva and I sell. It's about open, fun loving, crazy, sexy and WILLING girls.

Now if we have to get friendly with models to produce that then that has to be, if that friendliness turns into something more are you saying we should stop it and risk the quality and intimacy of the work it will produce?

Would it be better if a younger person was doing this? Well yes, and to this end I rarely shoot now. I let Eva and our two assistants do the shooting. But if needed I can pick it up and produce a level of porn they are not able, get into a girls head in a way they do not. Produce content that will convert better.

You are like the guy who wants to eat steak but blames the butcher for having to kill it. Frankly you're an amateur, if you don't like what the girls willingly do I suggest you leave the business and stop earning your money from it.

I have no intention of ever becoming a photographer for adult material or any other apart from hobby type stuff :thumbsup

I however fail to see how you could EVER possibly believe that your having sex with *TEENS* is going to help sell your content. What you are doing is very very wrong and the fact that you are unable to see this is rather frightening.

You are probably a great photographer (I have no idea of your work and am not making any judgements on it - just to be clear on this), but your thoughts and views on this particular subject are disturbing IMO.

Anyways, I don't wish to intrude on your thread any longer - icq me if you want to hash it out/abuse me.

MyNameIsNobody 07-16-2006 07:56 AM

Great reading.. thanks Paul!

gooboy 07-16-2006 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Study the porn more than the photography.

as me being a newbie to porn, but not shooting, could we pls agree on:

study the porn AS MUCH as the photography?

imho, i think that anybody who does stills or video must know his craft. knowledge and experience with equipment, technique, light, editing, composition, postproduction are as essential as being able to transform your sexuality into a staged moment (aka shooting what turns you on).

nevertheless great read. thanks

Khun 07-16-2006 01:28 PM

Hey Paul, any chance on getting a cheat sheet pose book? :)

Beaver Bob 07-16-2006 02:03 PM

nice thread Paul :)

xcitecash 07-16-2006 02:05 PM

thats great stuff Mr M

i usually disagree with you but nice to see a helpfull post...

DWB 07-16-2006 02:37 PM

i would like to add...

WHITE BALANCE your cams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Khun 07-16-2006 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
i would like to add...

WHITE BALANCE your cams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I use Ed Pierce's target, highly recommended!

http://www.photovisionvideo.com/target.html

Paysighting 07-16-2006 03:17 PM

Excellent read, Paul!! :)

Paul Markham 07-16-2006 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw
I have no intention of ever becoming a photographer for adult material or any other apart from hobby type stuff :thumbsup

I however fail to see how you could EVER possibly believe that your having sex with *TEENS* is going to help sell your content. What you are doing is very very wrong and the fact that you are unable to see this is rather frightening.

You are probably a great photographer (I have no idea of your work and am not making any judgements on it - just to be clear on this), but your thoughts and views on this particular subject are disturbing IMO.

Anyways, I don't wish to intrude on your thread any longer - icq me if you want to hash it out/abuse me.

As this thread is more about porn than photography allow me to address this question very specifically.

Your Mr. Average Guy does not make a good pornographer. Look at us, Aaron Matthews, Max Candy, John Stagliano, Ed Powers, Ben Dover, etc are not Mr Averages. They have something that models like.

Now when you're face is behind a camera and you're 12 feet away from the model who turned up to only earn money you need that edge. You need to get the model looking into the camera with meaning, heat and sexuality. We do this by the power of our personality, my persona, when shooting, is that of a clowning perv. I will often tell the model there is no film in the camera.

If you do what we have to do, so you can get people to buy porn, models get turned on. you get friendly and sometimes "IT" happens!!!!!

Do the models regret it? Sometimes, but very rarely.

Do they enjoy it? Well they seem to come back a lot and with a bigger smile on their faces.

Now George fails to see how us using our personality helps sell the content, so as this is an informative thread I will show you.

The first thing to understand is we do not need to force girls into bed, never had a problem meeting and getting friendly with women.

So compare these options and tell me which one is the best for you guys to sell porn from.

Shooting a girl who has no feeling for me?

Shooting a girl who likes me?

Shooting a girl who fancies me?

Shooting a girl who has had me and wants some more?

Which one do you think gives the content the edge, the sparkle in the girls eye and the better chances for you to make money from?

Now there are those who will argue that you politely turn the girl down, how many times do you think you can do this before she thinks you are a loser?

Yes our job is a little more than a meat market and I'm no butcher.

sam from montreal 07-16-2006 11:29 PM

very great post ... bookmarked ! :thumbsup

Sam :pimp

Paul Markham 07-16-2006 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooboy
as me being a newbie to porn, but not shooting, could we pls agree on:

study the porn AS MUCH as the photography?

No we cannot agree.

I can teach you to take a picture of a girl as good as her boyfriend takes, prior to him fucking her, in about 20 minutes.

Teaching you to put the look on her face he will get takes a lot longer.

It's the look on her face that sells the picture.

For over 20 years "Amateur Porn" always meant amateur models, readers wives, girl next door. It was only when I came to the Internet that I found a part of the porn industry where in meant amateur photographer shooting the local stripper/hooker/bored model.

Paul Markham 07-17-2006 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khun
Hey Paul, any chance on getting a cheat sheet pose book? :)

One of mine is not going to suit you.

Make one up from magazines in the same niche/style as you want to shoot. Use the full page pictures and the centrefolds.

Magazines are a great way of shaping your shooting. They use a much more defined way of getting over their message to buyers, as they only have 12 to 14 sets to do it with.

Paul Markham 07-17-2006 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
i would like to add...

WHITE BALANCE your cams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I find the videos with a too warm color balance off putting. But last weeks top voted video on the paysite was one from Adult Czech Content and it's in a warm color balance.

It is very horny though. :jerkoff

Paul Markham 07-17-2006 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcitecash
thats great stuff Mr M

i usually disagree with you but nice to see a helpfull post...

You are wrong about me being scared of competition, I just scraped the surface here and as you can see most still think our job is about photography.

Because Ernest Hemingway used a type writer did that make him a typist or am author?

Not claiming to be a genius like him, just pointing out why I use a camera but do not consider what I do photography.

aztecboi2003 08-09-2006 08:36 PM

Just read through this thread. Very informative. I take photos of escorts and I think I need to step my game up and purchase a light set. Thanks for posting this.

Paul Markham 08-09-2006 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aztecboi2003
Just read through this thread. Very informative. I take photos of escorts and I think I need to step my game up and purchase a light set. Thanks for posting this.

You're welcome.

Shooting escorts and strippers was never easy for me.

acctman 08-10-2006 12:16 AM

i have a question... what's the average pay per hour for a model broken down by bikini shoot, erotic posing non-nude, nude erotic, nude explicit, etc.

khun: i use the whibal white balance card ( www.rawworkflow.com )


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