US vetoes UN demand that Israel leave Gaza
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060714/..._un_gaza_dc_4;

The United States on Thursday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution put forward by Qatar on behalf of Arab states that called on Israel to immediately end its two-week military incursion in Gaza.

Ten of the council's 15 member-nations voted in favor of the resolution, while the United States cast the sole "no" vote. Four countries abstained -- Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia.

why doesnt israel just kick them all out to an arab nation ? cant kcik the jews out because they dont have anywhere to go , but theres lots of places for the palestinians to go ( although no plan for it and how ) instaed of invading every week with tanks why dont they just evacuate the whole shithole and turn it into a concrete parking lot.. then nobody can argue over it..

Nobody wants the palestinians...the Egyptians didn't want Gazaa strip when it was offered to them in the Israel Egypt Peace Treaty in 1979

Well how can US not say no. Israel actually have some reasons for attacking Libanon and Palestina, USA invaded a country without any real reasons at all ;D

did YOU just say that??

:eek7 :eek2 :error

i know its hard to understand that i like peace and dont like murder :)

but the fact is the jews are surrounded by arabs so they dont have a "fallback" place , and although nobody will officially take the palestinians , they certainly wouldnt be slaightered if they just moved to lebanon , whereas if israel had to evacute they would be screwed. I have nothing against kicking them out , i just have something against dropping bombs on children and civilians that have no place to go.. both sides are being juvenile but at least the palestinians have somehwre they wont be instantly persecuted

Eye for an eyelash, that is an Israeli motto. Good for them. Fucking sick of these Arab countries whining and complaining. They should clean their own house and bitch slap this hezbollah group themselves to show good faith.

this shits crazy son!

dont you remeber how that line ends...:1orglaugh

Not unusual Smokey.. the US has vetoed more UN resolutions than I've ever had breakfasts - to the extent members can assume this is automatic.

Never actually counted, but since 2000 ish, there have been plenty vetos on the Israeli-Palestine issue alone. When you look at these, there are plenty reasons to doubt any intention to have peace in the Middle East. There have even been vetos on the "roadmap for peace".

Yeah it ends with a lot of burning buildings and dead arabs.

how is the hezbollah any different than the idf ? they both kill innocent civilians , because they think they are justified in doing so because of the old " an eye for an eye " thing you mentioned before that everyone forgets how it ends.

hmm lets see israel had 1 soldier kidnapped and now they have a dozen dead soldiers and 3 times as many kidnapped ..

great logic spok..:thumbsup

Don't forget that the resolution also said that the Israeli prisoners should be released. Proof that their reasoning for this war is complete bullshit.

This should come as no surprise. The USA has been the lone veto to dozens of UN resolutions against Israel over the past 30 year. The only difference is that this time, it actually made the news.




Forced relocation and total annexation of their land and property? Why not just send them to the gas chambers? Why didn't the US just kick out all the blacks in the 1950's when they started demanding rights? Surely some Africa nation would take them.

These people's families have lived there for generations. More than you can say about the Jewish settlers.

If your solution is to remove an entire people from the region, why not look the other way. Since the holocaust is the sole rational for the world community allowing the Israeli's to create a new country on top of an existing one, build up a massive military with our money, and then basically enslave the people who lived there while being constantly at war with neighbouring countries, why doesn't Germany give up a part of their country for a Jewish state? Certainly the Palestinians had nothing to do with the holocaust. Germany is responsible for the action that people claim justifies Israel's constant aggression, certainly if a state should be forced to surrender it's land to create a jewish state, it should be Germany, not Palestine.

Of course, the American way of looking at world issues is to look at the last five minutes, not at history. Palestinians took a soldier prisoner, so they deserve to be killed. So do people of the same race in neighbouring countries. They have no right to fight against Israeli troops. Israeli has a right to right them. War is peace.

1 soldier kidnapped? Update your news feed bud.

Christ, Bolton can't even make his mustache match his hair...

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/p...ohn_bolton.jpg

Where do they find these people?!?

I hear some in the UN refer to Bolton as "Hitler Lite".

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Because being relocated and annexed of your land is alot better than dying over it..
because they found a better solution
I understand that but lets be realistic , the palestinians have somehwre to go , the jews dont.. their backs are aginst the perverbial arab wall on all sides.

If this was a perfect world they would just share but that doesnt seem to be working very well.
murder is wrong..

that sounds good too , but the jews wouldn't just be accepted in germany with pen arms, whereas the palestinians could at least live in peace with their neighbours. i'm not saying i like the solutions , but living is always better than dying :)

...because TV tells us Hezbollah are the bad guys and Israel are the good guys. It's black and white, like everything is in idiot land, like a cowboy movie. Israeli sniper shooting three year old girl = self defense. Palestinians attacking Israeli soldiers = terrorism.


Damn dude, get with the program. What you need is a little bit more of "the factor". Then you'll understand the truth.

did you read the entire post ? do you understand what "HAD" means .

Can you do simple math ? what is 1 times 3 .. cmon now i know you can do it.. go back and read the post again ... then do some simple math and come back and tell me what 1 times 3 is , and if that number equals the amount of recently kidnapped soldiers..

no, i was surprised because i thought you believed that israel are land stealers and palestinians are freedom fighters who fight against the brutal occupation of the evil zionists in order to free palestine and everything..

and now you're suggesting israel should kick the palestinians out... which means you're in favor of the 'transfer' idea.... which is illegal in israel... and even the most right wing parties in the knesset are not supporting it in it's original form anymore.

I'm not saying they should be accepted in Germany, I'm saying a region of Germany should be cut out and made into a Jewish state. Like they did to Palestine. They are the ones responsible for the holocaust, that seems more logical to me than picking one former British colony and saying, ok sorry guys, you don't get to have sovereignty and freedom like the other former colonies do. Jewish settlers get your land, the right to control your sea ports and air space, and they're going to put up military roadblocks everywhere that they have the right to deny you enterance to at any time for any reason. Oh and also, you don't get to vote for the government of the country you used to be a citizen of. Only Jews do.

Secondly, where are you saying the Palestinians should go? To some neighboring country that wants to accept 5 million refugees? Get real. No country could handle that, even the USA, and even if they tried, what would these people do? 5 million homeless, moneyless, landless, possessionless refugees. What are they supposed to do, live in mud huts and eat each other for food? Or are you suggesting that one or more of the surrounding poor nations has the capacity to provide these 5 million people with housing, food, clothes, and work?

hello mr. ahmedinejad

edit: that was directed to mr. soul

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Oh wait...

"holocaust, holocaust, holocaust"

I'm sorry, you're right, Jewish people have immunity to do whatever they want. Palestinians fighting against military occupation are terrorists. What animals!

I was guessing you were going to say Hitler.

no...
hitler wanted jews to move out of germany, and killed those who didn't...

ahmedinejad suggested jews should move to germany now, just like YOU just did...
see the resemblance?

My God, I must be a terrorist.

holocaust + history. jews were here way way before the holocaust..

it's not like after the holocaust the jews just chose a random spot on the earth... and it happened to be here...



but.... why do i waste my time? :error

my god, i must be a land stealer and an occupier....

i'm not saying it would be easy i'm saying they wouldnt be persecuted if they went to neighboruing nations like lebanon or syria.. and yes money would be a problem but arab nations are already POURING money into palestine as it is.. isreal would have alot harder time finding a new home ( realistically ) lets get over the "who deserves what " and stick with " what would make the quickest peace " its not fair but its never going to be fair.. we are past being fair , i would settle for unfair peace over "fair " war any day

no they picked a place already occupied :) the rest of the world felt ashamed and guilty they turned there heads while hitler gassed the jews and did the same thing , turned there head and said oh well they have lots of place to go..

I dont think the jews "deserve" israel and more than any arabs do , its just alot easier for the palestinians to leave than the jews , and in the interest of peace i think its the most peacefull solution yet.. :thumbsup

You live in an apartheid and you are on the side of the oppressor. Your "government" occupies a country that has millions of Muslims with no rights, no vote in your government, and who face a constant threat of extreme violence.

Read up about the South African apartheid, the whites there talked exactly like you. They thought they were on the side of God and that their apartheid would last forever too.

I do not suggest relocating all the Israeli Jews to Germany, I simply offered that as a counterpoint to Smokey's suggestion of the forced relocation of all Palestinians. Forced relocation is a horrible war crime. I support one state with equal rights for Jews and Muslims, equal votes, equal rights. Separation of religion and state. End of segregation.

It's called integration, as opposed to the current system of occupation and domination. Of course it would not come easily, especially with the far right extremists who currently dominate the political landscape on both sides. However it's the only reasonable solution, and the only chance for people without complete forced relocation or genocide. While this situation is unique, many nations have faced comparable problems and often after long struggles, calmer heads have prevailed and they've been able to come to peaceful solutions that brought about equality for all races and religions.

Listen Isreal wasn't founded until 1948 when the UN stole land from the arabs to give the Jews a home since they undertandably didn't care to live in Europe anymore. If anyone needs to leave it's the jews. What the old saying about the road to hell is paved with good intentions?

well nice... i would be very happy if the whole world had your point of view...

you do understand why i was VERY surprised to see that coming from YOU, though, do you?

it's very funny... you have no idea...
in Israel, if you state this kind of opinion, you are viewed as a racist by many people... jews, not muslims... no kidding..

Yes but Palestinians are never going to surrender and accept that, they'll fight to the last man for the land they've lived on for thousands of years. It sounds good on paper to just say, move those guys causing the problems to Syria, but it will never happen.

If New York city were to be occupied for 50 years, I would not accept being relocated to Boston. I would fight to the death to end the occupation, and I'd hope that my kids would do the same.

the sad reality is, this is not about israel vs palestine. this is about iran and their coming to power by rallying the muslim nations together against israel. its funny how lebanon randomly became involved, now during the g8 summit this week, a lot of the attention on iran will be deflected to this situation.

if you're an american, and you hate on israel or disagree with their actions, you could be in essence supporting iran and not even know it. you may say its a bit out there, but think about it for a second and ask yourself, why did lebanon get involved, and think about the timing with respect to the iran situation and the summit. how much have you heard about the iran situation since all of this? then consider ahmadijan's (sp?) previous comments about how israel should be wiped off the map. this isn't about kidnapped soldiers, this is about much bigger political and military strategies.

you have a very valid point but i think it sound better on paper than it would if it was tried ( and has been ) the problem is the situation isnt progressing it seems like its going in reverse. 10 years ago we could have manouvered the whole thing just by supplying ( or not supplying as it were ) ammo to either side, but nowadays with the guns and ammo being used , they have enough to kill each other 10 times over.

An Israeli wishes the entire world supported massive war crimes against the Palestinians. And some people think you guys don't act rationally about the situation. I can't imagine why.

lebanon didnt get involved the hezbollah did. lebanon would like nothing more than to get rid of hezbollah if they could , iran doesnt totally side with lebanon they side with syria and lebanon is anti-syria so you have it a bit backwards but your general idea is correct i think , its alot of posturing and civilians caught up in it

thats just silly . sorry i guess everyone has their "stand" but that seems silly , i value life alot more than land

I think the attacks against Lebanon and the coming attacks against Syria are about Israel trying to force America's hand to launch a military campaign against Iran. They're praying that Iran will strike back after they hit Syria, which Iran basically has to, because they have discussed mutual protection. Funny that this comes at exactly the time when everyone starts realizing that attacking Iran using the "WMD" excuse is politically impossible for the USA.

Some people surrender, some people fight back. Look at the Vietnamese. Sure, a lot less of them would have died if they had just sat down and allowed an American backed right wing dictatorship to take over, but their grandkids wouldn't be free, they'd be slaves. Some people value freedom more than life.

well, arabs were never forced out of here... israel never said that jews deserve this land more than the arabs... arabs were welcomed to stay and many of them live here today...
problem is... the israeli view was always "this land can be shared"..
while the arabs view was "this land is only ours, the jews can't be here"..

of course it's much more complicated, but that's just a simplification...

but really, i've given up on arguing about this... people who dont live here will always see things in a different way, and it's ok... everyone is entitled to his own opinion, whether it is right or not.... it won't change anything... jews are not going anywhere... nor are the arabs in the near future...atleast not most of them...

i'm just glad you came up with a solution that didn't involve the jews leaving this place, or the israeli government not fighting against those who call againts israel's existance... that surely is a progress... and i can be satisfied with just that for now... :)

its hard to differentiate between lebanon and hezbolla, when hezbolla has free reins, lebanon really doesn't do anything about it, and hezbolla actually provides many social services in lebanon to garner support. and while lebanon/syria may not like each other, one thing is for certain - iran doesn't like israel, the hezbollah/lebanon doesnt like israel (think about past events), syria doesnt like israel, etc. the enemy of my enemy is my friend and ahmadijan (sp?) wants power, so who knows where who stands.

haha... smokey, now you're a war criminal...
:1orglaugh

it could very well be.. i wouldnt put it past George W. its all speculation, but as you can see there is a much bigger picture being played out, and frankly, i dont want extremists with nuclear weapons. and ahmadijan, is an extremist.

War is good. So is pollution. Everything bad is good.

No, he's supporting a war crime if he supports the mass relocation of people. I don't know how you're debating that fact, but I'm sure in your mind I'm wrong.

Mass relocation of people = war crime under geneva conventions.

Mass relocation of Palestinians = logical political solution in your mind?

i didnt say that...

like i said, this is a very radical position...even in israel

that's why i was very surprised to see it coming from SMOKEY... who i basically thought was pretty much like you...


i'm done here....

have a good day everyone, morons, and smart people alike :)

Yet two posts ago you laughed at the idea of it being a war crime, and a couple posts before that you said you wished the entire world supported this position.

The world should of never let the Zionists take Israel, they knew what would result. There were plans throughout and prior to WWII to offer them land elsewhere, but the Zionists wouldn't settle for anything except for Israel. Jews have nowhere else to go because they picked the land themselves, and they've chosen their own fate. Why should a whole world suffer for the sake of some 6 million people? Fuck Israel, let them great a thousand year enemy, one day they will fall.