anyone here ever got accused of cp?
 

Did anyone here running a teen site ever get accused of distributing cp? How did you get out of it?

lol?
what's that supposed to be?

Whats your teen site?:winkwink:

a teen tgp using fhg

Who's accusing??

nice first post

well when youre all 2557 ok then theres nothing to worry bout isnt there. Then again with a first post like that n all I guess theres trouble.

Why woudl you have to "get out of it"
If your shit is leagal dont worry about it.

Back when the net was new, I had some asian girls up. People thought they were underage, but they were not. Asaian girls stay young looking for al long time.

url?

oh and if you cant login after that url post anymore you know

police
had them visit last week

I've known quite a few Asians who look like they are 16 until they hit their late 30's or early 40?s, then they all seem to turn into little fat women for the rest of their lives. It's a sad fate really.

well it's not my first post .. just a new nick for this
All the tpg runs is FHG provided by sponsors.

I was just wondering if anyone ever had the same probs and how they were able to prove that there is nothing to it.

If you bought the pics/videos, just get what you need from the business you bought them from (or have the cops talk to the place you bought from). If you took the pics/videos yourself, show them the ids you have of the models.

Holy Shit! So it's serious, why not post the url?? Did you get a lawyer??

EDIT

didnt see the police post

OK so they came over, thats weird. What did they do? Ask if you could show docs? Law inf officers can require them at any time

well I guess some people get worried when the police searches your place.

About the url .. I won't post it here at this point. It's a general teen tgp. Nothing different than most other sites out there. Just bad luck they picked me I guess.

Thing is .. they have no clue about how a tgp works and where the content comes from and so on.

I guess the teen niche has those risks though. Shouldn't have posted some of the fhgs where they try to make their girls look younger than they really are

well .. the added prob is that I'm not in the country until october or so. That doesn't make it any easier to defend myself from that crap

Nothing unusual to have a police visit in the adult biz. You gave them the usual coffee and a chat?

OK... During this search did they find CP on your premises or computers?

No...Guess it's not a good idea to portray girls "younger than they really are"...

Well if all the 2257 docs are in order you should not worry about a thing :)

well I wasn't at home when they visited.
And I won't be home until October.

So at this point I don't even know the exact pics in question.

My question is .. has anyone ever had visitors? Were you able to work the stuff out pretty fast when you showed them the 2257 docs?

MS is the poolicceee!!!

OK.. Will treat this seriously - assuming you are genuine.

The police visited your home (in the US?) and with a warrant or just an inquiry regarding some unidentifiable pics on a website which may have featured what?

Law enforcement are aware you are not in the country at this time? They leave a number of an officer you can contact?

This is really not the place for advice man, but you may get a few possible avenues to proceed - assuming that's what your looking for.

oh I know this is not the place for advice. Just looking for experience. Coz to be honest .. I've been pretty shocked when I heard this. Esp. since in my country (european) cp is defined as girls beeing younger than 14. And it is pretty hard for me to imagine how anyone can think that the girls are younger than 14

From what I was able to gather so far they busted some guy with tons of cp on his computer and they traced back some images (My guess would be he had some in his browser cache) to the tpg which used to run under my name.

So they showed up at my place with a warrent and searched it. The info I have is based on the protocol they left and from when I called them this morning to find out some stuff about it.
They did not take anything since nothing of relevance was at the place (I have my laptop with me)

Wtf Lol!

hmmm, something doesn't add up here, why not post the url??? it doesn't make sence..who did the police talk to?? who was there? curious??

The best way to "get away with it".... is not promoting it.

Well one of the reasons for not posting the url is because
a) it's not mine any more (the domain was still in my name at the time they started the investigation)
b) I don't want the site to lose its trades

My gf came home and found the appt. searched and they left a protocol about it.

Mmm.. messy and the usual contamination and ripple effects from other areas.

Not getting it yet... is this correct? You are a US citizen, but living in an EU country which has CP defined as being under 14 and you plan to return to the US in October. Right now, your property was visited in the US by law enforcement in possession of a warrant, - and the basis of this is prob following on from an enquiry into other issues which you are saying is not connected with your business.

When you called, did the officer confirm or deny you are "clear" of the matter or was there an indication he would like to take a statement from you? They confirm that there was no property removed from your premises?

Excuse all the.. what may sound like irrelevant questions - it's hard to say till some detail is known.

so what did you do buy an expired cp name and put some edge sponsors on it pushing faux CP teens?? to monetize the typein traffic??:Oh crap

I'm from Europe and I'm currently in the US. Will be until the end of October.
So my appt at home was searched and I wasn't there. They left a protocol of what they took. Basically it was my gf's computer since they thought it might be mine. She got it back already thogh.

The police officer told me today that I'm beeing accused of distributing cp. But since I've told them where they are it is unlikely that the prosecuter will go for a arrest warrent since I told them where I am and how to reach me and they would only issue arrest warrents if they are afraid the 'criminal' might disappear.

From what I understand investigation is still ongoing but I'm the accused in this.

nothing cp related. The domain does have the word teen in it though .. like pretty much all other teen tgps.
I definitly never tried to profit from anything underage or pedo. I don't think the domain gets any typeins at all. Besides from bookmarkers.

OK.. So this is not US law enforcement who searched your home which is in Europe. And.. good news, they returned your gf's computer already.

Basically... if they want to continue with the allegations, any prosecutor needs evidence on which to base this. Presumably we are talking about a possible prosecution in your home country - and not in the US.

Only my :2 cents: worth - it would appear there is some basis for continuance of the enquiry. You would clearly know a lot more about that side. There is also a possibility that if concrete evidence is available, that an application could be made within the US for extradiction proceedings to have you transported to your home country. (The US often has dual-treaties to cover CP with a few other countries, - but very reluctant to give up their own citizens for pedo offenses in other nations.)

If you "know" genuinely that you have not been engaging in elements of CP and the allegations of police in your home country are not as they may be claiming - is it worth engaging a lawyer in your home country and working thru him to make any necessary statements and provide whatever evidence he may consider relevant to the police and clear this matter up?

Just a side comment.... You have two areas of jurisdiction here. If you are living, hosting or have a biz based in the US - you are obliged to comply with US laws. Now... enter stuff like 2257 etc.

For any extradiction prospect to be feasible, - you have to commit what is known as an "extradictable offense". The basis of an "extradictable offense" is normally that it is a offense in both the host country (ie US) and your home country.

CP is clearly a US offense - and what you seem to be saying, it's the same in your home country in that it is defined as minors under 14 years of age.

If youre no US citizen how can you stay in the US till the end of October? Sorry but the US European issues are kinda blurry to me.

Well said.

If hes hosting in the US then it matters shit where hes from. He has to comply with US rules like everyone else.

Im sorry but its all a bit messy.

Spotted that one thinkx :) There may be valid reasons for this - detail is all-important :winkwink:

His english is flawless theres something weird. Im also wondering what EU country has 14 as the age of cons

You should contact your sponsors right now and ask them for the 2257 docs.

Its messy, but its kind of grey-zone if u don't live in US. Its not illegal for foreigners to host in US, but with the reverse "guilty until proven" 2257... how are they gonna inspect a foreigner? You can comply with giving an adress, but its useless.

why are you being so vauge about what you were promoting? who cares if you don't want to post your URL.. I can understand that.. However post the FHG's you were using that they claim is CP.

Sadly.. chances are, and got no wish to decry anything the guy has said yet, but strong possibility by the law of averages we have a person who was knowingly engaged in committing some offense, and looking for a scapegoat.

It's kinda also understandable not to give specific facts - dunno, but I'd prob do the same if the hatches had to be battened-down for some reason. Under these circumstances, it's best to shut up - and not helpful to do otherwise when lawyers are acting on your behalf.

The flip side is... and hell, seen it a lot, - a person can end up getting totally contaminated by a shower of amateurs without a clue - and often even without them ever knowing. If others end up getting up to all sorts of crap right in the middle of a domain transfer or something like that - it can end up a mess and a matter of who the law supposed to believe.

Smell is __MS__ is genuine - he'll say more and specify his problem clearer.

Since you won't post the url, and you claim you only had fhg on your tgp, then what sponsors did you promote? Were you promoting MET Art?

Its not always a gray zone, Im not US citizen, we host and process in the US comply with 2257 docs are all in place releases double IDs. I can give inspection adresses as well as online passes to inspect docs to anyone who requests.

His story is weird. If the TGP shows FHG only then he need to get to the programs sending him the FHG.

Yes you can comply and that is all u can do in your situation, still they made 2257 so complicated that they restricted themself to rules about the inspection itself. Online documentation, P.B. etc isnt enough.. they need an adress, to inspect normal business hours. But they can't enforce it, not even with co-operation with Interpol/local authorities, without breaking the foreign laws. In most EU countries, I think, you are innocent until the opposite is proven.
Anyway, the 2257 is designed to hurt US adult biz, but in most cases regarding foreign webmasters, I think there will be no doubt if local police knock on the door :)

thinkx:

Two options so far:

(a) __MS__ is a confused webmaster - and may be shitting himself over a police enquiry, irrespective of any guilt or otherwise.

(b) Only my gut feeling, but doubt this is an EU webmaster - more like US. Why is a guy who may be accused of dealing with CP and not a US citizen, concerned about 2257 docs above? The claimed area where the problem is, is his "home country" in the EU where 2257 matters little. (Sure, model releases and ID matter - but not 2257).

true dat

this is a guy whos a native english speaker

Well basically my only question that I had was if someone here had experience with those kinds of problems and how they were able to resolve them. By providing what kinds of info.

My english is pretty decent coz I've been living in the US for one year a while ago and I'm here again for one month now. So my mind switched to english again. I used to run a thumb tgp with only FHG. Last year I gave that over to someone else partly because in my country there are some legal limitations on running sites accessibly to minors. So I concentrated on some programming work. Unfortunatly the domain transfer was delayed until early this year and a few days before the domain was transferred the police actually checked out the whois info on the domain.
So I left for the US and then I get a call from home last week saying that my place has been searched.

My best guess is that they mistake some of the solo girls to be too young. Like Emily18 for example or the teenrevenue girls. Also youngporn.net could be questionable because of the name.

I talked to the police back home this morning and there weren't really giving me much information .. understandibly because they dunno if it's really me. I told him that if he gives me the exact image url I could supply him with the necessarry documents from the sponsors but he said that this would only be needed would the thing actually go to court. Which seemed very strange to me. I think the guy just didn't get the concept of a TGP at all even though I tried to explain that to him.

Now .. I KMOW that I have done nothing wrong in terms of distributing cp. (provided that none of the sponsors are actually using underage girls but I highly doubt that). But the question is how can I make them know

as I explained in another response I was living in the US for one year when I was pretty young so I am pretty close to beeing a native speaker

it's a I guess

this is not about 2257 at all. I tried to explain to him that it would be possibel for me to get the docs since all the sponsors are complying with 2257. But he had no idea what it is and when I tried to explain it to him he didn't really get it either. Truth is .. the cop investigating this doesn't really have a clue.
That's the biggest prob