Ajax - the good and the bad
 

So why hasnt anyone taken the lead in Adult with Ajax?

or have I missed something?

who will claim the first Ajax TGP, Free Site, Pay Site etc?

check out AJAXcertified.com

I wasnt going to post a link until I had some functional code finished, but this seems like a good opportunity to leak it...

Sounds like a much needed tool for sure

Sounds like a much needed tool for sure

Sounds like a much needed tool for sure

I put this gallery together a couple months back, as a quick demo can show it off the technology in question far better than an explanation...

I will say that the gallery demo posted above is technicaly using AJAH and not AJAX...

LOL - someone should leak something! :)

but we used to be the leaders!

no offense micker - but is that as good as it gets?

Someone should take the lead and stop giving away so much content :(!

i need to learn ajax, whos got some good tutorials and shit?

sorry - cross post Micker - that is what I am talking about - well close :)

Seriously though, a solution is needed... I cant put my google analytics code in the galleries I submit because they get rejected outright for having 3 lines of javascript in them!

If I cant use three lines of javascript in my galleries, how can you expect anyone in this industry to use AJAX in the current state of affairs...

Honestly, look at the gallery I posted above, how many TGP owners would accept that?

In the current state of affairs regarding javascript in adult, ajax will never get off the ground and get any acceptance. THAT is why I started developing AJAX certified.

I spent 3 hours in greenguys irc channel waxing philosophic about AJAX and social tagging and script.aculo.us with a group of webmasters and when it was all said and done, the main thing we agreed upon was that we wouldnt be able to use any of the ideas we came up with until there was a way to take the fear out of javascript in galleries...

ah.. gotcha

I think the problem is Gallery builders are scared that AJAX is client side and will not be indexed by the SE's and earns an automatic "SHEMP = BANNED" tag.

So it is TGPs with their rulez that work only in their favour that win?

Inovation loses to Shemp and others like him because they are scared of it - sad really.

Sorry Shemp - you are an ez target with this one :)

Ajax is overated. People want to see porn and jerk off, not click and drag nudey girls around.

come on, you cannot tell me that after years of using mapquest, you weren't blown away the first time you used google maps?

AJAX is about giving the user a more responsive environment that improves their experience with a website.

Every big player in the tech world is throwing everything they have into AJAX development because the numbers speak for themselves. Users prefer more responsive websites. They like interactivity. It's not about dragging pinups around on the screen, I'm sure someone will try that, but thats not what this is about.

In my opinion, AJAX, and in a larger part, the whole Web 2.0 movement isnt about design or dragging girls or anything that minor, its about finally recognizing the web as an independent media type. Since the start of the web, developers and designers have treated it as if it were either print media or TV, or some combination of the two... It's not. It is something entirely different and needs to be treated and developed for as such. It's my hope that all these new technologies people are calling Web 2.0 will accomplish that.

I dont think thats the case at all. I really think it comes down to a few of cheaters using javascript to somehow screw over those that take their submissions. More to the point its a justifiable fear!

To a TGP site owner that doesnt accept subissions with exit consoles, the easiest way to eliminate those submissions is to just ban javascript outright...

The idea of Ajax was to treat webpages like an actual application. No waiting for pages to reload for settings to change, etc. People are going to far with Ajax, it has its place, such as a backend for databases. I have written some Ajax code for wordpress that allows users to drag and drop posts into their 'favorites'. That's a neat idea, but for the most part, with galleries, etc, I feel it's a bit overkill.

blacklisted...

I think you are way off the mark.

AJAX and/or its rivals are the thing that MS worries about the most. The Windows 95 - Vista franchise is at the end of its life. Where next?

Portable apps...... Thats why the IE V Firefox 'war' is sooo important. Its the next generation operating system.

I disagree for the most part. It wasn't designed for the reason you state. It was designed for seemless applications for a state-less based protocol. It has since moved towards portable applications.

Hell and here I thought that EMACS was the next generation operating system...

I hate EMACS with a passion :D

I'm a VI guy myself, when I used to work in the labs, I had an RA that used to LOVE emacs and I always felt it was my duty to hassle him for using an entire operating system when all he needed was an editor...

Bingo, I use vi/m for everything. slap a couple hotkeys for svn/cvs commits and you're gold :thumbsup

HAHA.... HAHA

You do realize that Microsoft were the ones that came up with this "ajax" thing, right? Back in 1999 Microsoft added it so they could have web access with Outlook. It was only in 2002 that Mozilla added support for it, which still sucks to this day. It was only recently that someone decided to give it a cool trendy name "AJAX" and all the trendwhore bandwagon jumpers immediately jumped on it.

see sig for details..

It got its name about 18 months ago, its not that trendy of a name, and its an even drier whitepaper where it was specified. Microsoft put the tools inplace to enable AJAX, but they never recognized its use as such and didnt the tools in the way they are now.

Actually, MS just jumped on the actual AJAXwagon recently. Their AJAX toolkit Atlas has recently left beta and is now available as a free download.

I havent tried it yet and probably wont as I don't have anything to run ASP code on, but some of the demo's I've seen look interesting...

but I agree with you - Vista is a vile bloated mess. Portable apps are the only way forward, but XML is the only way we have of dealing with them.

The problem is Dell and Microsoft will tell us we need 2 gig ram and terrabyte hard drives..... and still sell us hand helds with 1% of that.

Browsers can take us back to 'thin client' computing - and that dosnt fit into anyones game plan.

http://www.lilbabes.com/ uses some AJAX for user comments and voting... you have to be registered user to see it though :)

I programmed something that might be called AJAX around 2000 for a portal-like site of mine. Users could change the color of headings, rearrange the windows (drag & drop) and stuff like this and it all got saved in the database using HTTP requests to a hidden image. It really was not AJAX, because it did not use XML back then but it did it's job pretty nicely :)

I also programmed a message board around the same year that showed a tree of replies and when you clicked on a user, a request to a hidden frame occured which then changed a content of some DIV to show this user's message. Also not really AJAX, cause it did not use XML :) But you could read the whole thread without refreshing the document and that's the whole AJAX idea, isn't it?

Its fucking funny that the tabs dont work with FF on that site !! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You've got the idea right, as far as semantics and hairsplitting, what you did was probably DHTML to float hidden divs, rather then actually rewriting selected portions of the page.

All that matters in the end is the result thought. if it worked, it worked, right?

working fine here in FF, and please explain why Microsoft would be "worried" about ajax the least bit when it's technology they invented themselves.

MS created XMLHttpRequest, they never really used AJAX in the modern use until they started attacking google. It's a desktop killer, and thats why they're scared of it.

Saying MS invented Ajax is like saying America invented burgers.

:1orglaugh

This would be correct.

This whole discussion really comes down to: Would using ajax based galleries/sites/etc make webmasters more money? I don't think it would, but you are free to buy some paid spots on tgps and see how those new ajax based galleries convert...

http://prototype.conio.net/
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...Mastering+Ajax
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...matters41.html
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...matters41.html
http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kassemi20050606.php3
http://www.interspire.com/content/ar...-Uses-For-AJAX
http://ajax.phpmagazine.net/2005/09/..._with_php.html
http://particletree.com/features/the...gradable-ajax/
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2...tprequest.html

Should be a good start. I've been using ajax for a number of internal controls and it works great.

"ajax" was being used in outlook web access back in 1999 just as it's being used today. you rant on about how ajax is such a wonderful and great thing and how it's the "future", but you have yet to provide any example how it will dramatically improve the surfer's experience or increase revenue in a industry based on viewing images and movies. then you have to keep in mind that a considerable chunk of surfers have javascript disabled so you'll lose on their revenue or have to spend more time/money developing everything to be backware compatible.

There's nothing it can do that would make an impact on gallery guys.

actually I did rewrite the content for that message board implementation. all that got loaded for a start was a thread tree and the content of the first message. by clicking on the items in a tree the content of the message got rewriten and the div moved to the proper position in a tree.

nothing got rewriten for that portal thing as all I needed was to save the settings...

yes, it worked... in IE only, but it worked :)

micker where are you in the Detroit area? Michigan webmasters unite! :pimp

I do use some Ajax on an adult blog and when I first played with it, I was impressed enough to rave about it briefly on another adult board. That said and admittedly I haven't put much thought into it, but I think the potential of Ajax in adult is quite limited.

More than that, a lot of its use in the wider arena right now could be classified as geeky. For example, does it really make sense, except to have other webmasters say wow, how cool, to turn a fairly intuitive navigation layout into links which are hidden unless the surfer realizes he is on an Ajaxified site and knows what to do?

My initial reaction to Ajax was that it is a brilliant way to handle parts of a site which are interactive: rating, polls, comments, etc., etc. But I don't see the point of making areas interactive where such interactivity is neither required nor provides any special benefit, simply because it can be done.

thanks man :thumbsup

I'm in the western suburbs...

I think all the michigan folks need to get together for drinks sometime this summer...

Ajax is a very powerful tool when used properly... a tgp is not the place for it however.

You're a smart man, mrkris.

Ajax is about building a web-based application, not a gallery. There are some sweet uses for it in regard to what an adult member's area could implement, but for the most part it's definitely overkill. Fuck. It's just parsing ASCII text without a refresh. I visited the FJAX (flash ajax) site recently and immediately left it because they used the tool too much ( no back button, every click was an ajax call ). Unfortunately, I see this poor use of technology as a trend that will continue to grow once more people become demystified of how to use the technologies that make up what is known as "ajax" and start using it just to use it: To be cool, or some shit.

And every time I hear the term "Web 2.0" I want to beat others / myself in the head with a rock. Just because.....