WTF is wrong with these muslims in Toronto and their support of the arrested
 

I was watching the news and listening to these fucking Muslims who NEVER condemned what these 17 arrested terrorists were plotting but instead were talking about how they cannot walk down the street at night or walk on the beach in the morning...

WTF is wrong with them. How do you think it feels for the rest of Toronto to not be able to ride the subway because they think that your fucking people are going to blow them up because you're not condemning what they have plotted to do?

What's even more whacked is that one of these fucking terrorists is a rich kid from the burbs with a dad who is a doctor.

"Ahmad Mustafa Ghany is a 21-year-old health sciences graduate from McMaster University in Hamilton, according to his lawyer Rocco Galati.

Ghany, who lives in an upscale neighbourhood in Mississauga, was arrested during police raids late Friday night and charged along with 16 others in a suspected terrorism plot.

He was born in Canada and his father, a medical doctor, emigrated from Trinidad and Tobago to Canada in 1955.

Yesterday, residents of Robin Dr., where Ghany lives, said they knew nothing of the arrest that had taken place the night before.


One neighbour, who lives next door to Ghany's home, said she heard nothing and saw no police activity outside the well-kept house on the quiet tree-lined street on Friday night."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...d=970599119419

I see it as simple as this. If you're not condemming them then you're supporting them. Either you speak out against these fucking terrorists or i will consider you part of them.

The problem is not with Islam, it is just another religion. The probelm is with its followers DNA.

Naw, the problem is that the Muslim people of this city are not standing up and speaking out against what was about to happen and the 17 arrested terrorists.

What they do speak out about is how they get dirty looks from people. How they get treated differently. Fucking right, i do the same thing as well knowing that they're basically ignoring the terrorist issue and changing subjects.

The Coran speaks of peace and non-violence which means you cannot be a true islamic and be able to carry our terrorist plots.

The news keeps saying all these terrorists are born and raised canadians.. They are playing it big time in the US media now, so next time johnny cracker canadian tries to cross into the usa border it will even be a bigger nightmare.

I got an eerie chill when I read this. It reminded me of something GDubya said right after 9/11.

Wild.


At any rate I agree that muslims in TO should want to distance themselves from the 17 would-be terrorists who were caught. You can't blame people for being wary, but you can attempt to earn back more trust.

Firstly, terrorism against infidels is mandated under Islamic law, because that's EXACTLY what Muhammad himself did.

Secondly, a Muslim must never take the side of the infidels against the Muslims.

So, all real Muslims (read, people who practice Islam as opposed to those who say they are Muslim but really are not) support the terrorists. If they didn't, they would not be Muslims.

Think about it logically for a minute.

There are people of their community who have been arrested. I know if any jew and/portuguese group of people were caught trying to pull the shit these people were caught pulling i would be the first one to hang them out to dry..

Why is it that the muslim community hasnt done that yet? There has to be a reason.

Except for all the parts (especially Suras 2 - 9) in which the Qur'an preaches nothing but hatred and violence against all non-Muslims. I see you've never read the Qur'an but instead have relied on what an apologist has written.

Could, i am googling now to find out for myself after you pointed it out in the previous thread :)

I try to think about everything logically.

As I already said, I agree with you on that point. I'm not sure what more you want me to say.

what Canadians haven't learned yet is that muslims always side with muslims. they don't consider themselves Canadians or Americans or Britains, they onsider themsleves muslims.

At the end of the day, they *do* support the terrorists and will never denounce terrorism unless they're forced to.

And then its only lip service.

welcome to the real world, my Canadian friends.

where you'll finally see how silly your ideas on what the US should be doing about terrorism are.

Yep, you got it. But you and I know they will never condemn it unless it plays into their hand. I am sick and tired of these radical pieces of crap. We need a vigilante. Wait... we have one. GWB. Can we just let him press the big red button and turn the middle east into a dust bowl? Er... wait it already is. I mean a glass bowl? The world's largest glass bowl... that has a nice ring to it.

It was on talk radio today on CBC and you guessed it several Muslims calling in screaming racism and that we should not add fuel to the fire by talking about this incident.

The muslims here in Atlanta were the same way when the two here were caught(he was a good boy, bla,bla,bla).

I hate to say it, but I think you're right on the mark with this.

DH

Are you saying all Muslims support terrorism?

lol, have you ever read the Quran. Suicide is forbidden. People take religous text and distort for the personal gain all the time. Have yoy ever turned on the tube and see a minister selling holy water or ministers curing a cancer victim by pushing her. Doesn't matter what religion it is. Ever heard of manifest destiny?

I was watching the news today and it was only after an attack on a mosque that they actually started to speak out against them BUT they also kept on saying "Innocent until proven guilty" which is fine an all but why must they wait to an attack on them to start saying "that is some bad shit and we do not support it"

Things are going to get messy here i think :)

You obviously have not read the Quran yourself

you are an idiot. congrats :thumbsup

the hold this chick has...

Gee, I'm not sure. Everywhere you have pockets of muslims you have terrorism. (even a backwater like canada:winkwink:) Yet surprisingly, you have not had one instance of muslims turning in or reporting muslims to the authorities.
17 muslim terrorists and no one knew anything?

Really makes you wonder doesnt it. I'm sure there has been no instances of muslims turning in other muslims in the USA either

Same type of thing happened in Ohio a year or two ago.

The leader of some mosque was arrested and they broadcast videotape of him calling for the death of jews and raising money for terrorists. It was totally irrefuteable.

Not ONE of his following or any other local muslims spoke out against him after seeing this, at least not publicly.

Just because "you" haven't heard reports of Muslims reporting Muslims doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You are just assuming. It's funny how the media can mind fuck people. People are so scared of anything different. So called, Muslims blow up shit and they condemn all Muslims as being the same. I have been stopped by so many police officers for bullshit reasons. Do I hate cops? Nope. Hatred is just another way of controlling people. As soon as you show emotion people will feed off it. Just like when 9/11 occured people were selling american flags, saddam cards,etc... And don't get me started on that Flight 93 movie.

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Originally Posted by QuaWee Just because "you" haven't heard reports of Muslims reporting Muslims doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You are just assuming. It's funny how the media can mind fuck people. People are so scared of anything different. So called, Muslims blow up shit and they condemn all Muslims as being the same. I have been stopped by so many police officers for bullshit reasons. Do I hate cops? Nope. Hatred is just another way of controlling people. As soon as you show emotion people will feed off it. Just like when 9/11 occured people were selling american flags, saddam cards,etc... And don't get me started on that Flight 93 movie.

Great post.

2hp

Suicide is indeed forbidden in Islam. However, dying in the course of killing infidels is not considered suicide. And here's why: the point of suicide is to kill oneself. The point of blowing yourself up in a restaurant is not to kill yourself but to kill others. The fact that you yourself die in the process is incidental.

I've read it front to back more than once and have referenced it many times. You however have never even picked up a copy.

I disagree with you all, it is all Bush and Israel fault.
It is Bush fault that an asteroid is coming and it is Israel fault that Mohammed is not alive anymore.

Alllah Ouakbarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i would say that the muslim community sends a pretty mixed message. they dont hesitate to talk non-stop about being a religion of peace... at the same time, they dont condemn violence and on top of that, we see mostly idiots shooting ak-47's in the air, cutting peoples heads off, stoning women to death and strapping their kids up with bombs in the news.

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays i would say that the muslim community sends a pretty mixed message. they dont hesitate to talk non-stop about being a religion of peace... at the same time, they dont condemn violence and on top of that, we see mostly idiots shooting ak-47's in the air, cutting peoples heads off, stoning women to death and strapping their kids up with bombs in the news.

Everybody postures.

2hp

they are all the same, i already hope i dont get suicide belted when i go into a 711,

like stated above they are not Canadians, they are Muslims, we should force everyone to assimilate im tired of all these POS imigrants coming in and turning our great country into shit.

Very moronic. Congratulations. :thumbsup

Really, I was born and rasied as a Muslim. QuaWee = Qawiy. It's Arabic. I even went to a Muslim school for 4 years when I was youunger. I know the Quran like the back of my hand. Don't bullshit and act like you know what you are talking about. I am not a Muslim anymore but I do believe in God and it's not because of 9/11 or the rest of that bullshit

Says Lazonby the greatest! There he goes again with his bullshit. man! you've been OWNED so many times yet you don't give up!

Now here, all real christians (read, people who practice Christianity as opposed to those who say they are Christians but really are not) support murderers. If they didn't, they would not be Christians, says Evil Bible

What people fail to realize that the religion in itself has little to do with this. Christianity and Islam share similar roots, it's the area where religion has flourished that defined it.
The people from the middle east have a completely different mindset, and it's saddening that so many westerners can't see it. Don't try to understand why they do what they do - you won't. Stereotypes exist for a reason. Take Jews, Frenchies, Muslims, Dutchies, Russians - while stereotypes don't apply to everyone, you'll be foolish to dismiss the fact that a majority would fit in.

On topic: I'm from Mississauga, that fucker is from Mississauga. He better not blow up something with me in it. :Oh crap

Good point.

well Mr. muslim apologist, go find some links, I'll wait right here.:1orglaugh

QwaWee, if you know Islam then you wouldn't try and pretend that 'dying in Allah's cause' is illegal in Islam, because you know full well it isn't, unless you are lying. And you do know of the penalty for one who leaves Islam.

lol..
that's exactly the point .. Islam is a crazy religion.. where you die if you leave it :)

so .. they can't leave it.. they can't stand up to terrorists .. and they must die in this crazy guys name.

man .. i need to create my own religion .where i am god and everyone would die in my name.

i am sure i can use some magic tricks and some fools would think i am godly too.



.. ok enough with the insults

good night all ( and i do mean all) .. i don't believe in any religion except in god and $$$$.. (my personal saviour)

Who defines what cause warrants itself to die "in the name of Allah (God)"? God himself? I don't think so. People like Osama Bin Laden decide that killing the "infidels" is in the name of Allah. That is where the problem lies. Terrorists use the religion of Islam as a gateway for their own agendas. Children who are raised hating America and Israel are further strenghtened in their resolve with manipulated teachings of Islam.

It is not God who warrants this holy war, it is ass holes like Bin Laden.

Hatred is being passed down from generation to generation and so are these manipulated teachings. If this continues, Islam will inevitably split into two sides.

Those who believe in the Holy War and those who do not.

I hate to be the nitpicker but i havent really seen much to indicate any "real" terrorist activity.

They claim some of them went to a terrorist camp near toronto .. i have never heard of any terror camps before in canada ( although they prob dont advertise :) )

Some of the evidence seemed a little shaky . They had a bunch of fertilizer that of course would be explainable if any of them were farmers.. 1 or 2 guns ( whoopeee ) a supposed remote detonator ( looked hand built and shady at best , not exactly "quality" work )

Seems more likely its one bad guy who was an extremist who was trying to groom some future terrorists , one of them prob told the cops " this guy seems shady and up to no good " , wham bam thank you maam they are all arrested.. considering the fact canada usually throws the book at non-violent crimes and lenient on violent whacko's im sure they will be released soon or brought up on useless charges..

Canada Muslims condemn alleged bomb plot

TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian Muslim organizations have condemned an alleged plot to bomb Toronto-area buildings, while a lawyer for one of the 17 suspects in custody called the charges against them "vague."

"We are committed to the safety and security of Canada and Canadians," said Mohammad Alam, president of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto. "We of all Canadians are shocked at the recent arrests of young Muslim men and teenagers and the very serious allegation against them."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...ror/index.html

when did I say I had links? i said you were assuming and you are. i didn't realize being ignorant was so hilarious

hahaha, Hitler is back
The first thing I heard on
the news after the arrests was about the Muslims condemning the extremists and the terrorists, go find the links yourself, what are you - handicapped?

It's a serious problem with multiculturalism as a whole. It groups people in their little tribal groups all within one nation. Just a potential shitstorm in reality. All is generally ok while the economy is strong and people have nothing much to complain about. But if nations like America were to ever hit another great depression you sure as fuck can bet shit will hit the fan. But you're right, I know quite a few Muslims (peaceful, educated, employed ones) and whilst they will condemn terrorism it is always very quickly followed with a whole list of justifications. Perhaps some of their justifications are valid, but fact is it's dangerous to foster (as Europe has) such large groups of people who, at least in part, identify the nation they live in as some sort of enemy to their not so little tribe.

my Friends; i'm muslim & i'm giving advice some of the use people; please take away your head from the window; world isn't just America, i'm muslim & i never support terorizm; my defence that we mast show our reaction with sience & economicly against to what american goverment did bad events at middle east.
i saw that older news about american soldiers was raping the iraqi woman.
tell me now; if you muslim; someone killing your nabers, your siblings wich means brother/sisters... what would you do?
or you cristians but i move to America & killing your family or your rilegen brother/Sisters & i'm sucking your resources what would you do?
who the fuck gave that right go to Iraq & kill people to U.S?
i never say that terorists did true, reaction mast be democratic ways but if terorizm is bad yes its bad & your unright war olso bad & wrong.
i never hate American people; i hav some american friends olso, so i'm not killing them.
but i hate terorist Bush & his bad armies; because they all terorists who killed women & children. even muslim liders do it; i would say that they are terorists again.

we didn't crate usama bin ladin, we didn't support Saddam Huseyn Against to Iran, we didn't make to molla omar & Taleban head of the Afganistan.
if you looking for terorist makers go your govermend & face with C.I.A.
ask them why they crated theyer enemies themselfs?
i do curs all terorizm, i wana live with peace & together with any people.
go to Istanbul & other part of Turkiye; se how people could live with out any seperation as nabers.
i'm turk & we hav Democracy; people can bleaw what they want.
please se; how is the world; world isn't just your country.
Respect & peace.

do these muslims just lpay dumb or do they really not get it?
son, if you can't find links, then there's only one of us assuming anything.
look up the word and understand its meaning before you use it.

did he lose the argument when he called me hitler or when he wasn't bright enough to know the difference between turning in terrorists and condemning them?
:1orglaugh