When good models go bad and webmasters try to steal them...the end of sexyteensandy!!
 

Ok time to let everyone know the deal with http://sexyteensandy.com. I let it go this long because I was hoping to get things worked out. That didn't happen so know you get to know the juice! Fun stuff :)

Basically the girl backstabbed us pretty hard. After two years of making her she went behind our backs and did an adult film...as you guys know...without our permission! (which you guys don't know) The girl actually thought we wouldn't find out!

Well the nice guy I am, I atually OVERLOOKED IT!!!! Stupid? Yes! But we had grown a bond with the girl that caused me to treat her more as family.

It was all fine until we went down to florida to do some Anna and Sandy shoots. It's when the all famous pool scene, where Anna goes down on Sandy (which by the way Sandy had said she was totally cool with) THAT ALL THINGS WENT TO HELL!!!

HER BOYFRIEND, who was in the house at the time apparently watching us through the window WENT BERSERK!!! He actually accused me of having an ORGY IN THE POOL!!!! I guess now adays, when you snap pics of girls, you are actually fucking them! :)

Overcome by rage he stormed out of the house, calling both girls whores, and me unprofessional. I, being the polite guys I am, tried to talk to him calmly) He wouldn't have it. Obviously we left and the shoot was cut short.

After the Florida trip I again tried to get back to business as usual. 1 month later I get an unexpected letter from Sandy saying that she is quitting and pursuing other options for a webmaster. After 2 years not even a damn phone call....A LETTER! She wanted more money, more even than her site was actually making.

Lets be realistic we all know why she was quitting. We knew she would when we left Florida. It was 100% the boyfriend. We have good reason to believe that she was in talks with the webmaster of Ashleigh (who was also down there shooting with us) about going with him as soon as we left. Again talks behind our backs while under contract. Also a funny side note....Ken the webmaster of Sexycanadiangirls.com is a real stand up guy! He actually played my best friend face to face only to turn around and try to fuck me.

Conclusion....we learned the hard way and from a complete waste of time in going to Florida. Her boyfriend is hurt by the adult film she did causing him to behave irrationally...outcome?? Sadly as we know this passes on to the model. You can't work with a model or try to talk sense into her when her her boyfriend is her influence and he gets pissed at everything. Im pissed that MY SHOOTS were cut short by her boyfriend!!!

2 backstabs, one boyfriend who can no longer handle his girlfriend online (yet continues to allow her because it makes money) Im glad this baggage is gone from my company. You want to work with that good luck. You have been warned!

Also, KEN, if you are reading this. Get your facts straight before you make a post about me in another webmaster forum. You tried to steal my model...you pass on her lies about us. You don't know what the situation is (you only know her side) so quit trying to get involved. I'm disappointed by you and appalled by your actions. Webmasters stick together not try to fuck eachother. I pushed you a ton of traffic and sales and you repay me with this? No more sales from me....I'm done with you. I know the big guys in here will really appreciate what a stand up guy you are. Everyone likes a scumbag. I'm sure they will love to promote you.

Also a side note for affiliates. This doesn't mean the site is no longer updated. We have combined it with http://tasteofuk.com which gets updated weekly. This will mean better sales for you guys. Expect to see a new design in about a week or two for the sites, advertising the new 2 for 1 combo deal.

Oh...look just found out i was called a dickhead in NNmasters by good ol Ken....takes a man to call someone a dickhead in a forum where he knows I'm banned and can't reply :) But then again....backstabbers don't say anything to your face directly do they.

First off don't accuse me off shit man. If you lost a model for whatever reason that's your own doing and your issues with Sandy or her BF have nothing to do with us. So don't go pointing a finger at me because no such discusions took place. We hadn't ever met you or Sandy before we had gone down there, it was purely for cross promo shooting and you know that because we had talked about it. Just because Sandy & her BF and Ash & I got along really well doesn't mean we were talking contract. That's what happens when good people get together, they become friends and act cordial toward one another. So before you go throwing out accusations you better start getting facts dude. I think your just grasping at straws because you lost her and now your looking to make blame somewhere. She contacted me just a couple weeks ago, well after we had left FL and told me that she was quitting and that she will be exploring offers and that if I wanted to put an offer together she would consider it. Now if making friends with her in FL happens to help me sign her well then I'm glad I went because I'll be glad to sign her if she does in fact choose us. Whatever your issues with Sandy or her BF are none of my biz so I have nothing to say there but I will say that I would think it would take more then just an offer to steal a model. If your losing a model of Sandy's stature then your prob not doing the things you need to be doing to keep her. You can feed any kind of crap you want about why you lost her but the bottom line is you lost her.



Next if your going to post heresay from other forums make sure your source gets you the whole story. I was refrencing to the fact that it's always so quick to jump on the models when they quit. I never called you a dickhead like your making it out.

Here's my quote
" I realize that most cases the model screws the webby over, I know I've been one of those getting fucked, but that's not 100% the case all the time. It's just as possible that a webmasters can be a dickhead to."



I've not discussed any issues that you have between you and Sandy or her BF because it has nothing to do with me and I really don't care much. Plus I've obviously only heard her side of things so I'm not at liberty to discuss it anyways seeing as I only know 1 side of the story. So don't me involved in that crap because it has nothing to do with me. I'm not interested in that kinda of drama because it's just a bunch of he said she said crap.



If you have anything further you want to discuss with me you know how to get a hold of me.

I'm right here man, I got nothing to hide.

post it in the main forum :2 cents:

You know what else man, when you showed up in FL Ash and I could feel the tension so badly between you guys that we couldn't wait to get the hell out of there. Plus you and Sandy's BF just about had it out on their front lawn of their house well after we had left and that had absolutly nothing at all to do with us so obviously you guys all had issues already so face your own issues and don't try pinning this on me.

Ken. You're a snake....I know it and you know it. Did you have any decency...just as a friend...to give me a call and say hey...Sandy called and she's looking for a new contract while under your contract. Something I think you should know since you PAY her. You say she contacted you a couple of weeks ago....FLORIDA WAS NOT MORE THAN A MONTH AND A HALF AGO!!!

Your story doesn't add up.

YOu even continue to BS by saying :
" Plus I've obviously only heard her side of things so I'm not at liberty to discuss it anyways seeing as I only know 1 side of the story. So don't me involved in that crap because it has nothing to do with me. I'm not interested in that kinda of drama because it's just a bunch of he said she said crap."

GUess what....you took punches at me by disclosing some BS, in a forum where I can't even read what you say. You got yourself involved. Why would you say to other webmasters what the model has told you....her side only....in an attepmt to make me look bad. True...if you don't know both sides...you don't discuss. YOU DID!!! I SMELL SHIT AGAIN! Why don't you pass on some points you made in that other forum in here so I can slap you around a little bit and show everyone how full of shit you really are. You got your head up Sandy's ass so far right now because you want her to work for you. Of course you would spread rumors about me.

Also, I don't expect you to tell the truth of what took place. The fact remains that you manipulated the situation....I think that's obvious not to just me but to everyone. You showed up 2 days early. You stayed at Sandy's house. Ashleigh didn't allow me to take pics of her, only after I put my webmaster foot down, she insisted that Sandy's BF do the shooting. Let's remember that yes, he does shoot Sandy, but he is far from a professional photog. Yet oddly enough, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO SHOOT. You guys became conveniently close during your stay. YOu discussed business with her and presented her your own offer, while knowing she is under contract, behind my back.

Further, you accuse me of not doing enough to keep her. You don't know wtf I did for this girl. You have no idea. Don't talk shit about things you have no idea. Did she tell you how she pissed on my contract 2 months ago, by doing a porno behind my back, and I let it go because I considered her family? Or about how she got paid for cam shows she didn't do once in a while. Or how I paid her extra some weeks? Or how I let her take pics in the same fucking spot of her back yard to make things easier for her......the list goes on and on.

I didn't blame me losing a model on you guy. Read it again. What I said was I lost a model due to her BF being an asshole and herself getting a big head and thinking she is worth more than she really is (wonder who put that in her head) What I said is that you're a scumbag for trying to steal her behind my back. Which you did! Was she not under contract during your talks? As a friend that you pretended to be to me.....did you not owe me a phone call?

Last point....WTF are you talking about tension!!! The only tension there was due to that fact that you overstayed your welcome at Sandy's home because you don't have the decency to get a hotel room but instead intrude on people. You think they're just going to kick you out? No, of course not! It is your duty to realize that people are getting tense about you staying in their home. If you want I can ask Sandy to repeat this, since she was the one who told me this herself....oh and you know she did becase I called you to tell you!!! Are you just a complete idiot or really that much of a scumbag that you would know the facts and now twist them around for your own needs. Sandy offered me to stay at her house when I came to FL....do you think I did? I said thank you but no I don't want to intrude....so I got a Hotel! Not sure what farm you grew up on, but that's how we act in New York....with manners.

Mods, if you can please move this to the main forum so that everyone can join in on the convo and voice opinions.

Thank you much!

nobody gives a fuck, so please end this thread.

what are you talking about you did shoot Ash, you just didn't get to shoot her naked and the reason you didn't is because you had made her feel extremely uncomfortable and she didn't want you shooting her. She is a great judage of charachter so I have to respect her wishes. Also why is it my responsability to inform you of your model quiting, once again trying to blame something on me that is none of my business. You keep refering to our friendship, you're so imbeleshing to make it look like we went way back and that I owe you something, well we met 1 day for a matter of hours. As for staying at her house we were fully prepared to stay at a hotel as we had been doing that all throughout our road trip but it was her that insisted we stay there. I'm not going to appologize about hitting off with them, they are good people and we got along, there's no crime in that. Once again your trying to make it out as though there must be another reason she left other then any issues you had with her. As for shooting off on another forum all I have stated is the same I have here and that is that there are obvious issues with you guys and if what I've heard is true then I don't blame her for quitting, I haven't discussed any of the detais of the issues you have with them or anything that doesnt pertain to me. I'll say it again your issues are with her not me and it's more then obvious that there were many. Bottom line is that it was whatever your issues you have with her that cost you your model, not me. You can beleive anything you want and I'm sure there's nothing more I can say that'll make any dif so I'm done with this.

chris, you may not care but the next paysite owner with a solo model who will try to work with Ken and his people will want to know what he's about. It is my duty as a fellow webmaster to inform others.

Ken I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, an what I saw there never really happened. Were you drunk while you were out there? Because everything you say is twisted. From my recollection we didnt shoot Ashleigh topless because it was never agreed upon to do so PRIOR TO THE VISIT OVER THE PHONE, WITH YOU! NOT EVEN HER! I did say I shot Ashleigh but only after "putting my webmaster foot down" meaning I wasn't going to take orders from an amateur photographer or a model. And from what I also recall she loved the pics I took. Let's be realistic and honest dude, she didn't want me to shoot for other reasons. You and I both know what happened there and I don't expect you to be honest about it. Just like in court....once you lie about one thing, you lie about the rest. You say you haven't discussed details but making even ONE statement about me without having the evidence to back it up and even IMPLYING, is discussing details. Read back the statements you wrote in NN and use your judgement on what you said. Fact is you should have never opened your mouth. You did because you are up Sandy's ass. Plain and simple.

You're right, I mistook you for a friend. I figured we are in the same biz...that I pushed your site for so long, brought you sales, so you were a friend. Sad to say I took a liking to you as a fairly cool guy. The statement there of how you owe me nothing just reveals what a two face scumbag you truly are.

Finally, again, you are mixing it up. I didn't say you caused her to leave. Obviously we had issues.....technically SHE...well mostly her BF... had issues. We gave her nothing but the best and she walked all over it time and time again. Anyone else who works with her will have similar problems. But where do you come in making her an offer while she is still under contract then have the balls to say you didn't get involved. I'm not an idiot and I know how biz runs. We all know you took advantage of a situation (or tried to) and only poured salt on a wound. You'd be a real jack ass not to admit that. Everyone knows it.

hey not to be a dick, but why dont you guys talk about this privately?

I'd love to but as long as he keeps making comments that I can't just let go I have to respond. I said in my first post that he knows how to get a hold of me but instead he came back with more.

Now here's my last post about this.

For 1 we have no contract or anything signed from her so how is that stealing. Second, she's talking with many dif programs about offers, how come you're not accusing them of theft. I think it's pretty obvious that your looking for a scape goat, and because I just happened to be in FL recently you're trying to use me. I'll say it for the last time, in 5 years I have never even talked with another model let alone try to woo one away from a program, not once ever and never would. I think my track rcords stands for itself. So I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit idly by and watch you try to drag me through the mud just because you had issues with your own emloyee and lost her because of them. As for the rest of the stuff you're shooting off about, well all that stuff has nothing to do with the fact that you think I've signed her when I haven't so I'm not going to waste my time letting you suck me into that kind of drama, especially when it's stuff I could care less about what you think. Now I'll be glad to talk this out further if your interested, you have my number and if you don't anymore email me and let me know yours and when to call and I'd be glad to talk with you.

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Ken...there you go again....twisting. HOly shit I'm in the twilight zone for sure. Where's Rod Sterling? I'm sorry who took the first blows about this situation in public? Wait, not me! You and Sandy feel it's ok to go around bashing us and talking shit, while we sit back and watch. NO more my friend. You guys wanted to go public so here it is....don't try to back out now. You can't make me look bad for something YOU started pal. Deal with it. People deserve to know the truth.

Now I'm not saying you signed Sandy....obviously you couldn't....you wouldn't be able to afford her. The point is you tried....you know it and I know it and everyone knows it.

So far you haven't had one straight reply about anything I said. You twist things worse than Bush! I will not call you...I tried being friends already. Phone calls are reserved for acquaintances. When you're too nice to people they walk all over you.

I will give you one last chance to be honest and straight forward. Did you or did you not talk to Sandy about joining your program while she was still under contract with us behind my back? I want to see a simple yes or no reply.

what? a model flaked out? what the fuck man?!?!?! this shit is crazy. can't believe this happened.

wow.



holy fuck.




can't believe it.





crazy crazy crazy shit.





still in shock here.






fuck. i think i'm going to be sick.

lol pleasurepays lol

Drama Drama....If anyone resigns this girl, stipulate one condition that she must ditch the boyfriend for good....

For fuck sakes, if people deserve to know the truth then why not be honest and tell them how you treated YOUR unhappy model for the last what 6 months, You only stated how well you treated her, you and I both know why she quit, this isn't my business to start telling everyone how you treated Sandy, I only stuck up for her to let people know a little about what is going on and that it isn't her fault why she quit,

But to answer your question, NO i did not discuss contracts or doing a site with her, as a matter of fact when we were there she was telling Ash and I how unhappy she was and how she was being mistreated from you and anna, I told her I couldn't do anything for her while she was under contract with YOU........

We didn't drive to florida to Steal your model we drove there b/c Ash and sandy have been friends for a yr, I went there for Ash, and thought it would be nice to meet finally and while we were there we could also do cross promo shoots...Ash and Sandy were talking for along time about meeting but when Ash started talking about doing shoots Did I not pick up the phone to make sure that was ok with you first as you were the webmaster and I wouldn't of done any shooting while visiting without your permission...

Sandy asked me to post this for her...

If anyone wants to know the truth about what really happened sandy is more then willing to answer any of your questions you might have herself... [email protected]

F her and her BF, NO model is worth such forum posting! :321GFY

Oh I know how she was mistreated....let's see where do we begin...

She emailed me asking how much I would pay for her to do full nude. I offered, she agreed.

She did 4 sets which had some decent full nude shots. After that her shoots were far from full nude. So I decided to drop her payment back down to topless. I emailed her several times about it inquiring as to why she is not providing me with full nude shots since that's what we agreed. She never replied.

I actually paid her for full nude sets for sets that were only topless!! Until I got fed up with it. YOu either market a site full nude, or topless, or non nude.

She didn't like the drop in payment although it was fully legit since SHE didn't follow through with her agreement.

I also paid her for cam shows she didn't do, for whatever the reason may have been...she couldn't...server was malfunctioning....etc.... as well as allow her to provide me with about 16 galleries or more, for the past 5 months all shot in ONE SPOT...her back yard! Why didn't I say anything about it? Because I didn't want to bother her.

She then asked me for a rasie. So I showed her stats for her site as well as her conversions. They didn't warrant a raise....SHE WAS GETTING 90-100% of what her site was making!!!! I wasn't making anything on the site! Only my affiliates and her.

Let's see Ken...how else did I mistreat her. So far I overpayed her, let her do whatever the fuck she wanted, OVERLOOKED HER BREACH IN CONTRACT BY DOING A PORNO....let's see. Tell me oh wise one... Oh that's right I also took pics of her during her cam show which she agreed to take BTW. But I forgot...I the webmaster, the guy who pays her every week for the past 2 years, have to ask permission to do a shoot during a cam show.

God I'm such a bad guy!!

Oh and tell Sandy if she has anything to say or pass on to this forum, she needs to become a webmaster. I'm sure models have their own sites. If she doesn't like it, she should have never went public with statements about me.

Oh yea....I also forgot....how did Anna....the sweetest girl I know or ever met in my life....who is 100% real and not two faced like some people....mistreat her???? LOL You, Ken, and Sandy, and her BF work well as a team. You're all TWISTED! I hope you do sign her....everyone will become millionaires. HAHA

And one more point....you say she discussed with you how unhappy she was with Anna and I while you were there. It's funny because the day after you left, Sandy was just telling Anna how she is the only girl she ever felt comfortable with. Sounds like something you say to someone you don't like ;) Also funny how Sandy asked if we wanted to stay at her house before we got there....yea I always offer my home to people I'm unhappy with. And further when we all went out mini golfing, well other than her BF who wouldn't get excited if Jessica Alba was standing in front of him, we all had a great time. Must have been my imagination. Damn split universes....they never are as they appear to be.

Man...do I need to make any more points to show how full of shit you all are?? I still wait for one point you make to be more straight forward and honest than Bush about going to Iraq for WMD's

So now I will call you on it.....how was she mistreated???

What was the name of the film she did?

Who's that girl

not good!!

kick his ass seabass!!

lol zigX

Off The Chain That Bitch Needs To Get Slapped!

Slapped? Here's a slap for her. IN the contract SHE signed we state that if she gains any modeling work out of having her website or working for us, we are entitled to 25% of whatever job she gets. Now we all know who Sandy is here why??? That's right....www.SexyTeenSandy.com We named her Sandy!!! She carries the name Sandy because of US!! She was a nobody before us. She agreed by signing to pay us 25% and now denies owing us anything if she signs for someone else. Guess what...the contract doesn't expire, she SIGNED IT, and now she has to pay for the popularity we provided her with. Let it be known that when she starts working for someone...she WILL pay 25%. We are entitled to it and we will collect. We know very well that she will use her current site as leverage for working out a deal with someone else.

fucking hell is this thread still going.....don't you people have lives

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I figure it is good for one too, google is gonna love these loooooonnnng post!

Rock on :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sandy's post on myspace

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...3-afb24d485177

That says it all right there... whats the problem bring a lawsuit against her for breach of contract... next thread

the bitch is in shit load of trouble :Oh crap

Ya she posts about us on myspace and other forums...


Sandy is actually now using us to talk about in order to continue advertising herself in various forums with the hopes that when she returns she will still have a following. It's her only way of keeping her head above water and keeping herself known to people. If this wasn't the case she would slowly fade away with other failed models who fucked over their companies.

I also find it funny how she brags about how much Vince paid her to do a movie. I believe THAT is the true reason she started believing she could make more money than she was currently. But does it really take a genius to realize that if she was doing hardcore porn for us, she would have made a shit load. Too bad she was doing topless ONLY/softcore. And too bad we weren't allowed to use any full nude pics on the tour page because she didn't want her mom seeing. My head hurts trying to understand how this girl thinks.

best of luck Ann-Angelcom for you and your future endeavors,

Well back to where I grew up, we believe on what is called karma, shit happens, it always does,, but as long as you don't shit anybody, and continue to play it cool, I guess good karma will come along :) you'll soon find a jewel :)

digital-bliss.....that was very eloquent....nicely put! :) Thanks!

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I WANT TO SEE HER PORN MOVIE! where can I find it? Who did she shoot for?

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