Do you really think your emails will make one bit of difference regarding .XXX?
 

Not a fucking chance.
I see everyone and their brother telling us that the world will end tomorrow if we don't email icann and voice our opposition to dot XXX.

I think that's a bunch of bullshit.

We all sent in our comments to the DOJ regarding the 2257 regulations too, remember how much good that did us? (For those of you who weren't keeping score at home, it did us ZERO good)

We'll win this fight in the same place we're winning the 2257 fight, in court.
I say email whoever you like as much as you like but in the end you should set aside some cash to donate to the legal fund we're most assuredly going to need to fight this in court.

:2 cents:

hopefully someone will read it and understand how serious it is

Agreed..emails help but a legal fund will be much better

I don't even think the emails help really.

They can create as many TLD's as they want, that's not what really matters.
What will matter is when the government tries to tell us what kind of content we can put on certain TLD's....then it becomes a free speech issue, and one that we can win in court.
Until that happens, dot xxx is really no different than .biz or .tv....just another extension someone will make money selling

Stupid is as stupid does

yeah, that is the attitude to take.

I could not have said it better myself.

wow.. and now we have fucking assclowns that agreed in some other thread 'we should all email' that emailing doesnt make a difference.. odd.

You are of the same ilk as those that don't think there is any point in voting I presume.

it's better to have tried and failed, than not to have tried at all. :2 cents:

If you operate any well-known sites and want to guarantee their continuity, you will have no choice except to begin paying $60 per domain per year if the xxx TLD is approved. Unless we ever are segregated you will never see 1 cent in value for that additional expense: you will simply be helping make a few people rich for doing absolutely nothing.

Still, if you think it makes more sense to spend your time on a post here than emailing ICANN, I guess there isn't a whole lot anyone can tell you. It may be true that they will ignore your opinion, but if they don't have it in the first place...

You presume wrong.
I vote regularly and I write checks regularly.

Maybe I'm getting cynical in my middle age but I gave up on writing and faxing my congressman and wearing T-shirts and sporting bumper stickers for every cause I believe in a long time ago. Mostly because none of that stuff ever made a difference.

If you think that anyone with decision making power in this situation gives two shits what a bunch of pornographers think about .XXX then you are sadly mistaken.
Every bill that has come before our government that proposed to limit, regulate, or reduce pornography on the web has passed both houses of congress with overwhelming support and been signed and supported by presidents from both parties.
All the letter writing in the world isn't going to make a difference on this one.

We'll win this fight where we win all of our fights, in court, where judges are bound by the constitution and precedent and not by polling data.

He is actually right, what makes .xxx different from .biz? Some people bring .kids into it, but it has nothing to do with it, it's not about censorhsip (yet) as far as I can see, it's about creating just another tld for people to put shit on. (.biz, .name, etc) And if you are going to email them, I don't think saying: "I'm a porn webmaster, it will hurt my business" is the best move... probably better alternative is to email them as a religous freak -> "We can't afford to legitimize xxx! We need to take this filth off the net, etc"....

.xxx Will Have a Catastrophic Effect on the Entire Online Porn Industry!
 

If it goes through it may intially be on a voluntary basis. Eventually it will become mandatory. After this happens the entire online porn industry will have to be completely re-wired so to speak.

Think about it...your back links, reciprocal links, sponsor links, every gallery and free site ever submitted to your TGP or link list, not to mention your search engine positions etc. EVERYTHING...ALL GONE!


Let your voice be heard!

Send an email opposing .xxx
[email protected]

How dare you have a different oppinion.

OMG you're right, unless I send an email right this minute everything I've worked for all these years will be gone overnight.

</sarcasm>

That's a copout, pure and simple. This country has been taken into and out of wars on the back of public opinion, so it is ridiculous to say it never makes a difference. Changes are happening in the White House right now, because of public opinion.

The reason it often seems otherwise is because much of the time public opinion is most evident by its absence. If someone plans to pursue an unpopular agenda, he can ignore the majority opinion so long as the numbers tell him that most people don't care enough one way or another to prove an obstacle.

Which is surely what is going on at ICANN now. The money and influence on the table is the reason this issue keeps coming back, but ICANN currently have several problems in the broader arena and it's apparent that they want validation for approving the xxx TLD. While most who have expressed an opinion are opposed to this TLD, very few have been willing to express an opinion at all. That lack of reaction could be the very factor which persuades ICANN they can go ahead.

If you have all this time to spare posting here, but not for emailing an opinion to ICANN, at least try to write something intelligent.

The point about the xxx TLD issue is not that the sky will fall in, but that at best it represents an expense which will generate no-one but registrars and domain speculators any return. That alone should be enough reason to oppose the introduction of this TLD.

However, a specific TLD for porn does open the door for political opportunism. In that case, your response is to rely on the law, but the law is not static and it is also expensive, uncertain and time consuming.

I doubt that anyone emailing ICANN is very optimistic that their opinions will be counted. But given what is at stake, your attempt to make a virtue out of doing nothing at all is sad and foolish.

:thumbsup

No...not just your email...but collectively it just might make a difference...damn sure wont hurt:thumbsup

I agree with that.

other than the emails and court (when the time comes) what else can we do? now ?

" 60 dollars" try again...more like 75 bucks.............


and yes they will help, that is why ICANN opened up the topic for discussion again....

As for 2257...........FSC did a great job, and continues to do so, we support them not only in spirit but with $$$ did you? FSC Rocks!

Most of this kind of attitude is what was all around the 2257 issue also, i remember the posts bashing FSC, when they went in and stopped it....

Think again, Votes/Emails count...........how else they going to know when the .XXX group is telling them false info, we support this .XXX when clearly the industy as a whole does not.

I was at the Phoenix Forum when Tom Hymes from the FSC sat with me and said this " we could have killed it right there and then, only if they had support letters and emails from our industy" he was speaking about the world conference he just got back from, made me mad to think that he did not have what they needed to just kill it right there and then.

:2 cents:

we should hire an ICANN sniper

Awesome post.

Also - they are planning to AUCTION domains not just sell them at 60-75 a pop. It's a scam.

.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I do not want to divert this thread onto what is an essentially dead topic, but just for the record, my posts about FSC might be considered as "bashing". So I'm not especially comfortable about encouraging people to protest the xxx TLD being, however loosely, equated with support for FSC.

In fact what I objected to was not FSC itself, but the lemming-like rush for the only convenient option to present itself after we had sat with our thumbs in our asses for more than a year, thus inevitably the day arrived that 2257 was a reality. In some respects this is a worse situation, because while we could again hire lawyers if any of the more dire predictions come about, with xxx we shall be paying out fees year in and year out, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about that once the TLD is created.

So it did not make difference, heh? :GFYBand
:)

Who knows... but suspect emails will help to a degree.

The flip side is... listening to anyone who has a vested interest in not seeing the introduction of a .XXX TLD is like asking a pedo if he wants to be a scoutmaster.

Again, who knows, but also suspect the views of government and religous right throwing up their beliefs that having a XXX TLD is giving credibility to the porn industry may have had more effect on the decision-making process.

Anyways.. who cares? It's not happening. So on to the next "issue" whatever that's gonna be. There always will be an "issue" - it's like birth, death and taxes.

I'm glad about the outcome of the emails and the .xxx was not allowed.

Quote from Icann's head after the meeting

hey damian, just curious, you have a link to that interview or article?

:thumbsup

Yea.. saw that one d and agree. There was no cred in ICM in the first instance.

I'd go further and say there is also no cred in ICANN and sooner that is disbanded the better - as orginally promised - and then resulted in another broken promise by Bush.

but damn, im still SOOOO happy :):):):)

Its just snippets as reported by AP

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/3855553.html

all those letters DID make a difference.


http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...-15318,00.html

""The applicant had put it forward as a sponsored community from the responsible adult entertainment community. We had received letters from major companies in the sector saying that they were not supportive of it," Mr Twomey said."

Hustlers letter certainly helped.. and all those 600 posts clearly demonstrated that the adult community, the community affected by the .XXX TLD, did not want it.

Believe what you will, but I do know all those emails made a difference, especially in the email correspondances i had with the ICANN chairman leading up to the final vote, and my posts that pointed out that the .XXX TLD application was seriously flawed because the adult community didn't want it.

If it wasn't for all those posters on the ICANN board, I would have no facts to back up my statement.

Fight the famous last words!

Well I like to believe that my voice, may it be in writing or out loud, is being heard in a democracy, which is also why I sent that email to ICANN. If I don't raise my voice when I live in a democracy when do I do it?

Indeed it will make no difference, but we will feel better in the end because we know that we did all we could...


Egomancer

Well I dunno if they made a diff or not but I do know ICANN vetoed the idea

Dead Right There on May 10 by 2/3 majority of ICANN

Well I dunno if they made a diff or not but I do know ICANN vetoed the idea

Dead Right There on May 10 by 2/3 majority of ICANN

it helped :thumbsup

No, e-mails wont do any good. But its better to do something that isnt sucessful than to sit back and do nothing at all.

With all the money that is made in adult, seems like the kings in this business could buy one less sports car each and put together a cohesive group to lobby and make sure that their future ability to make money is secure. But for some reason, everyone seems to live for today and not much thought is put into tommrow.

http://www.FreeSpeechCoalition.com


Fight the obvious!

Lenny,

I think that ICANN realized how many problems that .xxx would cause internationally. more technically than anything. one thing that one of the speakers talked about after the decision was ICANN did not believe that ICM Registry was representing the adult business. I believe that the emails to the ICANN forum may have at least showed them that. Do I think our whining to them stopped .xxx, not a chance. Please see my post here.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=608349

i don't think anyone should be running around the village declaring a landfall victory against this. we got lucky that the facts and ripple effect that .xxx would have sent through the internet worked to our advantage. no one at these levels of interweb cares about us.