How Can The Passengers Of United Flight 93 Be Heros When Their Plane Was Shot Down?
 

I just don't understand it
Maybe I've been out of the matrix for too long

Because they stood up to the bad guys? Because they prevented the plane from being used as a weapon? Because they didn't just sit in fear and do nothing? Because they were smart enough to figure out what a heroic act is?

Maybe you are an idiot.

Maybe? I'd say the probability of him being an idiot is pretty damn high!

1. I do not think it was shot down.
2. I doubt most or even a small chunk of the passengers did that much. But we will never know who did what and what the results were. So I guess saying they all were heros is as good as anything.

Doubt it has anything to do with the plane being downed. Folks act as they think they should when shit flies to limit damage and cover their asses - the passengers on 93 were no different.

Who knows if they would consider themselves as "heros" - that sounds more like a word used to give comfort and sounds better - at least they appeared to have tried and cred to that.

Hahahahahahahahahaha I've been sayin' the same thing. They would have been HEROES if they'd subdued the guys and brought the plane home safely.

In my book you don't get to be a hero because you try, you get to be a hero because you fucking DO.

Same with Pat Tilman, how is that douche a hero? He quit a lucrative job and went off to play GI Joe then got shot by his own guys and left his wife a widow and his kid fatherless?

Pat Tillman gave up a million dollar a year career in football to do what he believed was the honorable thing. It's very noble.

What have you done lately other than defending yourself with a toothbrush?

Anyone can go live out a GI Joe fantasy.

Widowing your wife and orphaning your kid isn't heroic in my book.

Whatever happened with that story?

Last I heard there was some rumors of a coverup and other assorted vile shit?

rumour has it he was shot by frienly fire , maybe even in retaliation

That's not a rumor, it's news.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...s_b_16966.html

i read transcript from the latest release and im pretty sure that it neither got shot down , nor did the passengers do it..

The co-terrorist was attempting to block the door so they coulnt get into the cockpit , once he realises he isnt going to be able to hold it , he tells the pilot( terrorist ) to down the plane..

So i guess the passenegers get most of the credit. If they hadnt barged the door , he wouldnt have downed the plane

So it went like...
"Pssst, hey jim, sally, and robert lets rush the cockpit and crash this motherfucker into a field before it is used to crash into a government building"

ok that makes sense as well...
but the theory of the passengers crashing the plane in american glory makes no sense to me...

"History is written...by those who would hang heroes."

(Braveheart)

Havent seen the movie yet... heard good and bad things about it. dunno if il go see it.

i agree that makes no sense

it's people like Pat Tillman that allow you to sit and home and do whatever it is you do on a daily basis. The people on Flight 93 were heroes because that plane was supposed to be headed for the White House. Tillman and those people were and ARE heroes because they gave up their lives to save others and there is nothing in the world greater than that.

Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't deserve the freedom that they live in.

Yeah...his dad was pissed off that they were making Pat out as a 'hero' instead of what he really was...a victim of this whole fucking mess...gotta feel bad for his family thats for sure. It sucks how peeps fighting for the country get dicked over while be celebrated as heroes at the same time.

R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght. Well we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't think for one second that highly expensive moronic millitary misadventures secure my freedom in any way shape or form. All Pat Tilman did was catch a bullet from another American soldier. Not exactly my idea of 'giving up your life to save others'.

And frankly I would have been more likely to think that the people on Flight 93 were heroes if their plane and ACTUALLY hit the White House.

How he died is irrelelvant. Fact is this: He gave up his life, millions and his family to follow principles he believed in. Whether you find that heroic or not, whether you agree with those principles or not...he deserves your respect. And it is ignorant to think that without disrupting the operations of terrorism in Afghanistan and elsewhere with our military that it hasn't prevented other terrorist attacks on this country. Just because you don't see the results everyday when you wake up or don't feel the results every time you sit down on your ass and watch TV doesn't mean that you aren't benefiting from our military's actions overseas. I'd like to see how you felt if you lost someone in the Trade Center. I am by no means a Bush supporter, but I love this country and believe that our people overseas are heroic for the fact that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for us back home. Judging by how you've worded your posts, it's my guess that you probably woudn't give up anything for causes other than your own. Bottom line is this: Being selfless is heroic and comendable. More people in this country should do it and it would be a better place.

the hero tag is just a way to make the families feel a bit better , that the child/brother/husband/wife/whatever , didn't die shitting themselves

Unfuckingreal.

Whether it's for sig views or not, I don't see how people can trash anyone in the military. They fight for our country. Whether you have an issue with the war or not has nothing to do with them. They didn't choose Iraq, the douchebag politicians did. They do what they are told, they trust in our governments, they have done this since this nation was founded. These individuals are responsible for our freedom over centuries. Bash the war all you want, I do. But don't bash those who are simply following the orders of the individuals that a lot of fucking idiots voted into power.

As for those people on the plane, they are heros. They could have sat in the back of the plane and talked to their love ones for another 30 minutes. They could have prayed for a miracle and that these terrorists would negotiate and end peacefully. The truth is that they knew they were going to die and instead of being selfish and sitting to do nothing, they decided to not allow them to crash into our Capital. This is reality, not some fucking Segal movie that would have him capture the terrorists and fly the plane back to safety. They had very few options in the situation and chose to fight.

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It's not exactly a laughing matter - but got no doubts the US would be far better off than it is today.:thumbsup

flight 93 was actually empty :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...848&q=911+2001


besides... how do they have all these cell calls from the plane? Have u ever used your cell phone on a plane b4? At least b4 9/11? Come on now.

i forgot to add:

the flight 93 stuff begins at 55:45 in the vid... worthwhile to watch , considering the thread topic

The plane was shot down. They arent really heros as much as they are martars, people who died because thier government killed them or had them killed.

Not even arguing your point, but taking the Huffington Post as "news"? Please.

I'm a flaming liberal, but even I wouldn't use Arianna Huffington's vanity blog as a reliable news source.

I wasn't citing it as a news source, just as proof that it is news and not a rumour.

I dont understand all you people saying they sacrificed themselves and all that bullshit. They all knew they were headed for certain death and they tried to stay alive. I really doubt they were very concerned about the white house at that point.

I dunno if that makes them heroes or not. I think all they wanted was to stay alive so they could see their families again.

Here - Washington POst, newsy enough?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052200865.html

Better than the HuffPo. Love blogs, but one that counts Scientology members (Kelly Preston aka John Travolta's wife) as regular writers/contributors sorta rubs me the wrong way.

For the record, while I don't agree with everything you said, I do think Tilman would have better served his country at home with his family. I would still call him a hero because he stood up for what he believed in and did what he thinks was right, but whether he died via friendly fire or not, lay the blame where it belongs -- with a government who didn't tell us the whole story and made patriotic Americans think they were fighting against the terrorists who caused 9/11 rather than just oil and daddy revenge.

Some of you people are actually dumb enough to be in the adult industry.

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Maybe the family should refer to him as Tilman-Halloway, and they will get some media coverage for a noble effort. :2 cents:

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OMG...that is so sad but true...if Pat Tillman were a hot blonde from a wealthy family the 'media' would be relentless in covering this story in depth:thumbsup

Some of you watch waaaaaaaaaaaay too many tv shows like 24, etc... that conjure up paranoia and offer up ridiculous conspiracy theories about our own government being out to get us.

Some people just can't accept facts for facts and would rather live in a fantasy world.

It's also possible that some people accept anything as factual if someone with authority says it's a fact even when it hasn't been proven as fact...And that's a fact.

I've heard this before. Does anyone know if they used cell phones or the pay phone at their seats?

Even if only some used cell phones, that's enough to question the story since they don't work that high up.

It is VERY STUPID to take the standard "That can't happen in America, so it must be false." stance. If you don't want to believe in a 9-11 conspiracy for another reason, okay, but don't base it on that one alone.

ALL governments in the entire history of the planet eventually do things against the best interest of their people. The US will be no different. Question is, is it happening right now?

I still have an open mind on 9-11. I don't agree or disagree with any story. There's just not enough information out yet, and on the day each of us dies there will still be new info coming out.

you never know the truth

especially when all those rumors about american goverment go around.

I don't want to take a big steaming shit on your point, but by that logic you should respect the terrorists as well. They are following the principles they believe in and much like Tillman, are going off to other countries to fight for what they believe in.

Terrorists have very strainge principle, don't you think? They kill people, lots of people, who have famillies. THese are the principles????
How would yoy fight for YOUR principles?

just a thought, but I bet the widowing part wasn't a choice. What makes Pat Tilman a hero is that when he left to go do what he believed and never uttered a self serving word about it to the press. I doubt there will be one poster on GFY today with that amount of character. I don't think I could do it

Yup
While I don't trust my government (let me clarify, I don't trust the people IN my government ;-)), I'm also reminded of it's ineptitude in even properly paving roads and picking up the garbage...