How long until war with Iran?
 

How long until war with Iran?

It will have to wait until after the November elections. We also need China's approval because if they cut us off from cheap goods and loans then the USA is in big trouble.

next year i'd say

It is a tough situation. Iran?s stand on things isn?t very diplomatic, their president seems to be asking for a conflict. Then again, I am by no means an expert on this, I just read/watch/listen to the news here and there.

I don't think the republican party would let it happen, they're already trying to distance themselves from bush for the next election.

Remember, the only thing any politician cares about is being re-elected and being able to weild whatever type of power they have.

But if it happened tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me in the least :winkwink:

Okay, fair enough. I am a Canadian in Germany, so this question might seem odd... who is running next? Or is that still in the stars?

Well, he still has until January 20, 2009 right? So... maybe my question was a little too odd.

Doesn't have much of a choice:

- He saw his ennemy/neighboor complying to the UN, divulging WMD reports, destroying missiles and still get invaded.

- He saw N.Korea telling the US to shove it up , and that was the end of it.

So, he is taking the defying attitude ... The only bad thing for him is that Iran is the second biggest oil reserve .... bad luck .:2 cents:

haha, wondering the same thing.

Those are good points. I don?t really understand all this hostility in general, Iran seems so extreme. With nuclear weapons involved, this really could get ugly.

The USA is not doing the same thing with Iran that we did with Iraq. The US will politically push the UN Security Council for action and also bluff military action but our government won't be stupid enough to try fighting two fronts simultaneously.

China will never approve sanctions against Iran unless something drastic happens and it effects their political ties with Iran. China's government has a HUGE oil deal with Iran.

The whole UN Security Council thing is just political bullshit. The way the voting works for any kind of unified action against another nation is completely impossible if one of the members has any kind of deal with the nation being questioned. Especially since the members of the UNSC are all arrogant governments where their own best interest is their #1 priority and doesn't care about anything else.

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Iran is not in a good position. They sit in the middle of Afghanistan and Iraq. U.S. armies on both sides of them.

Doubt it will happen Validus - unless the aim is to totally screw the Middle East and make even more enemies.

Despite the ravings from Iran - their President knows what he's doing and got an upper hand right now with game playing. Any further conflict will cause major ripples not only in the Middle East, but globally (both in terms of support and economically) and seriously doubt the US will have any support from other nations for military action and we do see another "pre-emptive" action by the US - chances are there will be major policy changes by other countries in dealings with the US government.

There are plenty games being played by Iran, and suspect it's best left to people with a clue to handle rather than one country acting alone. If shit does hit - there will be a "coalition" taking action if that is judged necessary.

Meantime the nations screaming loudest are the possessors of nuclear arms complaining about new club membership :pimp Not that any spread of nuclear capability is a great idea - but the hypocracy is amazing.

Iran isn't fighting with armies on their own land. They will fight a completely different fight that the US is not prepared for.

Yea, perhaps they are playing way too many games for their own good. Only time will tell. I don't understand why they just don't admit that they want weaponized nukes instead of putting on the facade about their 'we just want nuclear power'. If that is all they wanted than this political standoff would have been resolved long time ago. UN council members offered so many different things to prevent Iran from enriching their own uranium - hell, even Russia offered to do this for them for free. All of these offers rejected by Iran... I mean, they even kicked the IEAE watchdogs out of their country - who the hell doesn't believe Iran has something to hide?

If you had nothing to hide, you wouldn't have to be scared about getting caught.

Agree... and the only people who know the actual truth are within the Iranian govt.

Another side is... if you were part of a government in a country which had been attacked or where a neighboring countries were being provided with "capability" by other nations, - that alone is enough to consider nuclear arms.

Basically if ya up the "anti" - there will be counter-actions from the other side.

The history of dealings with Saddam as a "war surrogate" to engage in a war with Iran - together with attempts by a western country to assassinate members of the Iranian govt when these people were democratically elected gives Iran more than good reason to instigate security measures. And that is ignoring another neighbor, Israel who also has nuclear capability.

Who knows nestle - I doubt Iran are really bothering about being "caught" - smell they are just playing for time and saying any stuff to suit the occasion. Lying was never an "offense" in diplomacy :)

maybe its all just some big Hype

All-out war with Iran would collpase the US economy, no doubt about that whatsoever. It will not happen.

Totally agree!! The current problem is massive already without more crap and it sure is not in the interests of the US - tho neither was Iraq.

Currently the US is consuming 25% of world oil production (plus around 25% of other resources) - that is simply not sustainable when you consider this services only 5% of world population and where the net "outgoings" in trade balances are only in wheat and arms trading.

Other countries have already started a shift away from oil and using altenatives - that alone is a massive aid to having a trade surplus. Who knows, but smell the days of "constant consumption", lack of internal manufacting capability and reliance on other countries to provide products may be reaching a watershed.

PS Next is China who are prob gonna blow the hell out of oil requirements in the next few generations.

within the next year...Should synchronize it with the New Years countdown...and have a split screen of that and the bombs being dropped.

those Iranians are more fundamentalist - i would'nt mess in their own soil :pimp

It will never happen. Congress will stop it. If Bush tries it, then after the 90 days, Congress would have power to stop him. You would see Bush impeached most likely.

Iran's solution's simple. Leave them to the Isreali's.

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I would bet any amount of money that China will find a way to become self sufficient within 10 years. That's just how they think.

voted :)

Wont be the US (unless they go totally crazy) - if anyone it will be Israel as theyve done it before and they are the country with the most to lose right now

They prob will - but nowhere on an agenda right now. They "appear" to be kinda immature when it comes to sustainability but *very* keen to learn and pick up as much data as possible.

Had a friend who completed a contract with the Chinese govt last year on usage of resources. He ended up with a team of "watchers" interested in learning how to manage resources.

Even small changes mean significant ripples simply because of the population size. Example.. China now has vacation time :) That means they have to find someplace to have vacations and one project was a resort complex around a massive lake and the plan was to have 3 million Chinese people on a vacation in this lake area. The only missing elements were the lake was frozen over six months of the year and in real life, left a gap of three months in which they expected to handle 3 million people. :winkwink:

The other small detail overlooked was sewage - and this was going to end up in the lake and kill off all species and totally contaminate the rivers flowing from the lake. 3 mill people kinda shit a bit :)

But.. they are definately keen to learn and already have high educational standards - so little doubts they will resolve problems - and possibly counter oil issues.

What The US needs to come to grips with is that the people of UAE, Iraq, Iran etc. really don't like us. The old line is we love the people, it's just the government that is the problem is BS. Or in the case of the UAE, the rulers of the country may be friendly with the US, but the people and religious leaders can't wait for harm to fall on any western country.

Interesting Webby. As much as I dislike them for their rampant bootlegging, ip theft and lack of credit cards I still give them a lot of credit. They are very smart people and the have a knack for developing things faster and more efficiently than just about everyone else.

Truthfully speaking, who likes the USA? I don't think we have any fans abroad. Even Canadians don't really like us and they are our neighbors.

If we hit Iran, it would be very hard.

I don't even think the war would last a month.

Shock and awe would look like a Boy Scout campfire.

Given our homegrown Looney Left, who needs USA haters abroad?

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coming real soon

The chance that Israel will strike Iran is nil. I would bet 10%.

The USA will take the lead, or be the sole force.

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I'm having flashbacks ....
maybe the drugs.... :pimp

I say 7-12 months until war.

We will try more diplomacy. Lots more diplomacy. But it will fail.

My thoughts are simple.

First, the US comes to grips that we are not the world police. We pull all troops out of Europe, and keep them where needed. S. Korea, and Japan.

Next, you make an announcement that China can police that side of the planet, and we'll stick to the 'Americas'.

You redeploy all troops to the ports, and borders of the US to help with the immigration problem. Take a fraction of the zillions you are spending being deployed all over the planet as the world's police, buy more coast guard cutters, and things that are needed to beef up this countries security.

Pay down the debt.

Decriminalize pot. Keep enforcement on hard drugs, and illiminate the bullshit prison shit for people busted with amounts of drugs for "personal use". Stop throwing all these people in jail, and building more prisons at cost to taxpayers of $40k a year per convict.

That's a start.

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Well, I guess we will see... Lets hope it all gets solved...

Why do you say that DId you forget WWII and Afghanistan and Iraq are two fronts simulataneously.