So about this IceMaster person.....(yep...more drama)
 

IceMaster is a complete tool. I was having a bad feeling about a deal we were doing so I wrote this to Donny...

[09:57] AaronM: I'm getting a sonofsam feeling from this guy. I'm considering not selling him the sets because of it.

What are your thoughts?



Then I sent him part of the conversation that you will see below. This was his reply:

[09:59] DonovanPhillips: Sounds like potential trouble, but maybe just being cautious
[09:59] AaronM: I was cautious with SOS.
[09:59] AaronM: Here was my response.

[09:31] *** NOTE: This user is offline. Your messages will be received when he/she logs into ICQ.
[09:34] AaronM: The sets are ready now. How do you know when they were shot? Well...first off, does that really matter as long as they are the exclusive sets that you ordered?

Every file has a creation date so you can check that. Also, the model had to sign a release for that shoot and the release has yesterday's date on it. Finally, the 2257 paperwork that I send you also shows the set names and dates of production.

This is a brand new studio. Yesterday was the first day I have even shot here so I couldn't have shot these at any other time with these surroundings.

I shoot for some of the biggest teen websites and magazines in the world and give them what they want when they want it. Same goes for you. :)
[10:04] DonovanPhillips: is he new or something?
[10:08] AaronM: Fuck if I know.


So....WTF is this all about?

Well, IceMaster liked a girl I posted in hos thread the other day where he was looking for teen content. I had some spare time to work with the girl for him so we made the deal. No biggie since there was no extra money out of my pocket, there was zero risk to me and I will easily sell these sets but here's how this one went.


THIS IS WHY I USUALLY STEER CLEAR OF DOING BUSNESS WITH PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW. I MADE AN EXCEPTION TO TRY TO HELP THIS GUY OUT AND AS USUAL, IT BACKFIRED.



AaronM: Hey, it's AaronM. I have to go pick up a model but maybe you will be here when I get back.

IceMaster - Sid: hi

IceMaster - Sid: how much would cost me get an exclusive girl? if you shoot the content?

IceMaster - Sid: i dont know too much about exclusive content, i would be the only one who will get the set you shoot or everything from that model? i mean she would be working for me but you would shoot her?

AaronM: An exclusive girl is going to cost you 50k+ but exclusive content I shoot for $250.00 per set.

IceMaster - Sid: ok

IceMaster - Sid: and how do i choose the model? is there any difference between custom and exclusive?

AaronM: The girl that you liked...I just dropped her off to get a manicure and pedicure and we start shooting in about 30 minutes.

AaronM: Custom and exclusive are pretty much the same thing but sometimes, custom has certain requests that may add to the cost of the shoot.

IceMaster - Sid: i see

IceMaster - Sid: and how do you work? 50% first or 100%?

AaronM: Always 100%

AaronM: Are you in the US?

IceMaster - Sid: no

IceMaster - Sid: would be a problem?

AaronM: No, not at all. I was going to ask you to call me if you were here.
ok. The model just called. Her nails are done and I need to go pick her up.

AaronM: Will you still be online in 30 to 60 minutes?

IceMaster - Sid: i dont have the enough money in my epass now, so i cant pay you, when will you shot her again?

AaronM: I don't take ePass. And I am not scheduled to shoot her again any time soon but I do have other girls I work with. I'm actually booked up for the next few months but every once in awhile, like today, I have a little extra time where I can fit in a few extra sets here and there.

IceMaster - Sid: i see

IceMaster - Sid: and what do you accept as payment?

AaronM: I do take Visa and MasterCard though.

AaronM: Also, wire transfers and cashiers checks if they are in US funds.

IceMaster - Sid: i see

AaronM: Lets do this....I'm shooting her anyway. Assuming that I have the time, I can take some sets for you since she is already being paid for the shoot today....We can take care of payment later, before I send the content.

IceMaster - Sid: ok, how much would me everything?

IceMaster - Sid: cost me*

AaronM: How many sets would you like?

AaronM: Most of my clients order between 3 and 10 sets but it's up to you since I am not scheduling a shoot with her specifically for you.

IceMaster - Sid: as i dont really know how this works, i guess that 2 would be enough to start, what do you think?

AaronM: If I booked her for a day for you then I would require at least 4 sets.

2 sets will work out fine for today. ;)

IceMaster - Sid: i see

IceMaster - Sid: and the pics will look like these? i mean the quality and all those things

IceMaster - Sid: ampcontent.com

AaronM: Yep.

IceMaster - Sid: then your a genius and it worth the 250$

AaronM: lol

AaronM: OK then...I will go ahead and shoot the 2 sets for you if there is time and we can take care of the payment stuff later.

I gotta go pick her up. Chat with you later.

IceMaster - Sid: ok

IceMaster - Sid: cya

AaronM: bye

IceMaster - Sid: i must leave now, cya later, and thanks.

IceMaster - Sid: hi, i guess that you didnt have the time for my sets, when you will have time?

AaronM: What makes you think I didn't have time?

IceMaster - Sid: as i didnt got an answer :P

AaronM: An answer? What was the question?

IceMaster - Sid: ...

AaronM: I've shot 2 sets for you and I am shooting another girl right now.

IceMaster - Sid: ok

IceMaster - Sid: i guess that you are shooting now, so i will leave you some questions, do you do videos too? and how much do they cost?

AaronM: Videos are the same price. $250 for 10 minute solo exclusive video.

AaronM: I shoot it and send you the tape. I can also edit and encode for $300 per video.

Sid: damn, if i would know that one day ago...

IceMaster - Sid: when do you think the sets will be ready? and how do i know that they were shot yesterday? i mean you could sell me something you already had.

AaronM: The sets are ready now. How do you know when they were shot? Well...first off, does that really matter as long as they are the exclusive sets that you ordered?

Every file has a creation date so you can check that. Also, the model had to sign a release for that shoot and the release has yesterday's date on it. Finally, the 2257 paperwork that I send you also shows the set names and dates of production.

This is a brand new studio. Yesterday was the first day I have even shot here so I couldn't have shot these at any other time with these surroundings.

I shoot for some of the biggest teen websites and magazines in the world and give them what they want when they want it. Same goes for you. :)

AaronM: And here are 4 samples from each of the 2 sets I shot for you.

I promise 70 to 100 photos per set but shoot more like 150+ just to be safe. There will be shots where the models blink or just look bad but I send you all of them and let you decide for yourself.

http://www.ampcontent.com/Clients/IceMaster/

IceMaster - Sid: Wtf, this isnt even what i expect to get, the first set is in ampcontent and the second i remember seeying in gfy. Sorry but i wont pay for that. Really strange you didnt want the 100% in advantage you ask to everyone... where you trying to do to me the same you did to sonofsam? Sorry but you wont do the same with me. Bye.

AaronM: Huh?

AaronM: LOL......I had a feeling you were a complete idiot.

I call it Bullshit

never heard of em.

That's why I haven't accepted a new client in quite awhile. Most just DO NOT get it. SOOOOOO annoying.

What really gets me is this part:

"IceMaster - Sid: Wtf, this isnt even what i expect to get, the first set is in ampcontent and the second i remember seeying in gfy. Sorry but i wont pay for that. Really strange you didnt want the 100% in advantage you ask to everyone... where you trying to do to me the same you did to sonofsam? Sorry but you wont do the same with me. Bye."

If he saw one set on AMPContent and the other on GFY then how in the hell could I have shot them for him yesterday...AFTER he saw them online?

The guy is a fucking moron.

lets see what he says in response.

i would call noob on this one after taking the time to read it all. you were doing him a favor it sounds to me.

Which is exactly why I should not have offered to shoot for him.

Check his thread where he is looking for content:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=601632

I posted these for pics:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...7&postcount=29


Then he replied with this:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...5&postcount=34

"They look very well. I like the first one...."

So....He liked the first model I posted and that's who I shot for him.

Who gives a shit what he's saying in response? Go read his thread then read the ICQ log and you can see all of the communication we have had. It speaks for itself.

Fuck him.

http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~timothy_erskine/mr.t.jpg

prediction for this fight

mad views

pain

I doubt it but I will still be sure to ride his ass about it.

I have a plane to catch in a few hours and some shit to get done before that so I won't be around to debate the issue with the fool should he have the balls and stupidity to show up here and discuss it.

Guess I'll just have to bump the thread later today when I get where I am going. :glugglug

Hmm... I wonder what sonofsam thinks about this. And will he follow around everyone who posts in this thread with immature little attacks because they agree with AaronM on something? :1orglaugh

That guy just sounds like a trouble maker, plain and simple

One of those people that will either whine about everything you do, or never be happy with anything, ever

That sucks you had to deal with that

Agreed, but at least I don't have to listen to him cry about how I ripped him off since I was nice and offered to not charge him upfront this time.

At the end of the day, I have 2 extra sets sitting around and I'm sure that one of my clients will pick them up.

Just want to make sure people know that the guy is trouble waiting to happen.

Christ I'm glad I got out of the content game when I did. Between dealing with the 1000+ hangups and fuckups from flaky models on one side and the sizeable % of dipshit would-be clients on the other side, I'm surprised more content producers don't go battshit and end up in rehab.

That sucks dude, sounds like he didn't care about your costs

Bump from the airport.....

AaronM: The girl that you liked...I just dropped her off to get a manicure and pedicure and we start shooting in about 30 minutes.


You never take me to get my nails done.


:(

The price seemed right to me.. and she did look good in the other thread in that 1st pic you posted. In these sets though, they look like it needs touched up a bit because the lighting seemed a bit harsh on her face.

No clue why he would say that he saw the sets on your site, + on GFY too.

That sucks Aaron. what kind of content was it just softcore solo?

lol sounds like a kid who doesn't know what the fuck hes doing..

I would agree with the touch up part but when I am showing a client what I shot for them, I don't touch the images up.

never heard of this icemaster guy

You help ppl when you SELL content? The most stupid thing ive ever heard.
Please fatboy, just stfu.

AaronM = Scammer

AaronM
 

STFU scammer:321GFY

Bumpage.....

http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~timothy_erskine/mr.t.jpg

HERE COMES THE PAIN

I doubt it. You see, most people instead of choosing sides based on their friends would rather look at each situation individually. Like me for instance, I side with SoS on his issue but think Aaron is 100% right on this one. The guy is a tool.

I know it's hard for you to grasp the concept of forming your own opinion but some people are very capable of that. :thumbsup

And because Stuart happens to agree with me on both counts beans that he is not able to form his own opinions?

Interesting.

first page sig spot?

So the moment you side with someone and that person happens to be your friend... that means that you're not being honest? That's an interesting way to look at it.

Also, my post about "I wonder what sonofsam thinks" is hardly me siding with anyone, now is it?

Don't make me go back to past threads where I said that both parties are right and both are wrong. That wasn't the answer that sos wanted and thus, I was labelled an ass kisser.

It just so happens that I do form my own opinions, and am not swayed by friends, nor am I swayed by people who post "anyone who thinks their friend is right is obviously just ass kissing and not forming their own opinion." :glugglug

So did you shoot those when you said you did? Or was he right that you sent him a set you had previously posted on GFY? Or was the second set a different girl?

Did you even read anything? Or are you seriously this desparate to find something to troll about?

No of course it doesn't. I would say StuardD saying he doesn't choose sides based on who is involved it sort of like Fox News saying they don't lean Republican though. :1orglaugh

Hello again, troll.....That was answered in the original post in this thread....TWICE.

Maybe if you had better reading comprehension skills then you wouldn't keep posting bullshit about me and asking stupid questions like this.