First ever Thoughtcrime arrest?
 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/06/te....ap/index.html

Police: Boys plotted school massacre
Boys, ages 14 to 16, are charged under post-9/11 terror law

Thursday, April 6, 2006; Posted: 3:55 p.m. EDT (19:55 GMT)

CAMDEN, New Jersey (AP) -- Four teenagers accused of plotting to kill about 25 people in a lunch-period massacre at a high school were charged Thursday under a terrorism law created after the September 11 attacks.

The boys, ages 14 to 16, were arrested Wednesday after police heard about the alleged plot from administrators at the school, where three of the teens are students. Their names were not released because of their ages.

Authorities said the teens planned to attack students, teachers and others at Winslow Township High.

The four boys appeared in family court, and a judge ordered them held for psychiatric evaluations.

The father of one of the boys said the charges were a mistake: "I think it's just kids hanging out together and having a little wild time, that's all."

Authorities said the boys did not have any weapons to carry out the alleged plot. But one law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said they tried to buy a handgun.

The charges are serious enough that prosecutors could ask a judge to move the case to adult criminal court. Prosecutors have 30 days to consider.

No one in New Jersey has been convicted under the terrorism law, which carries a mandatory minimum of 30 years in prison without parole.


2006 = 1984?

Bowling for Winslow Township High

They do say history repeats itself, as you can see these teenage boys are clearly communists ...ummm I ment terrorists and they are a threat to the country.

I'm not sure I understand your stance on this, but are you saying that they should not be arrested because they didn't do it yet?

yes...unlessy ou are already lying down and giving up your freedom


the usa is going to hell....get out n ow

hum... very strange....
i think the world is all fu**ed up... :(

During my teen years, I and my friends planned several dozens of terrorist attacks, bank robberies, plots for world domination, bombings on school buildings, armed rebellions against the government, and tons of other things, none of which we ever seriously thought about doing.

But in any of those cases, did you go try to buy dynamite to blow up a safe, a laserbeam that can scratch your ass from space, dynamite to blow up your school, one thousand AK-47s or anything else that would faciliate the actualization of an anarchistic fantasy?

That's not a thought crime, that's a conspiracy... which could technically be used against them.

Charging 14 year old boys with terrorism-related crimes seems ludicrous though (even given most of the 14 year old boys we've all known!)

I am with punkworld on this.
As a youth I did a whole lot of plotting, planning, and indepth thought about assorted crimes. Just never the actual follow through of them *exceptions may apply*.

I did not try to buy a gun since I already had them.
I did not attempt to purchase bomb making supplies since the school provided them *see exception.
I did not drug my baby sitter even though I had everything lined up.
The list could go on and on.

you got that right :thumbsup

All due respect Aly, does that mean we should start wiretapping the events they plot out when their GI Joes fight each other for fear that they might be using those as models for something else?

What should be looked at here is them trying to buy a gun and get them on that rather than what "might" have been talked about. Moving to action should be under scrutiny, talking about it is somethign esle. And for all we know the two could be unrelated.

I dunno...

I agree. Thoughcrime, conspiracy, they're basically the same thing.

Using the new "terrorism" rules basically makes a mountain out of a molehill in this situation. If they gotta bust 'em, then charge 'em with Conspiracy which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If even 1 kid made one half assed attempt to further the "plot", then they can all be charged with the conspiracy, and whatever crime they were trying to commit.
I think they're blowin it out of proportion anyways, they know dam well those kids aren't terrorists.

:2 cents:

Oh... don't get me wrong, I'm not in support of this sort of thing at all!

"No one in New Jersey has been convicted under the terrorism law, which carries a mandatory minimum of 30 years in prison without parole."

Especially not an actual terrorist.

Oh don't worry about the patriot act, it will only be used against actual terrorists......riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

For those not familar with NJ Camden is the biggest shithole going. Even the mayor was arrested a few years ago for selling Coke

we've had a couple of arrests here in MA for the same thing...just didn't make national news because i guess there were more important things to talk about at that time.

Oh so is that how they call it now???? :321GFY

This world is so fucking doomed..

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2hp

Careful with what you think..

We tried numerous times to blow things up in the backyard, tried to buy weapons we were not legally allowed to have, tried to buy drugs and alcohol we were not legally allowed to have, etc. Just like almost every teen boy in existence.

Now, that's a story I want to hear!

The same people who cry and bitch about the little shits being charged for planning something they didn't commit would cry and bitch about why nothing was done after the little shits went and killed a bunch of people if police knew about their plans beforehand.

There have been thousands

I saw this news item a little bit differently - not as a comparison to "1984" but as a statement on why shit like this happens. Just read the father's statement - parents are so ignorant of what their kids are up to until it's too late. I think many times, willfully ignorant which is worse.

Imagine what this father would be saying IF the kids did go on a killing spree?
"My boy was a good kid. I never saw this coming. If we had only seen the warning signs."

:helpme

I plan total world domination every day. I even attempt it sometimes. WTF, give the kids a break, they are just being kids.

They're Pinky and The Brain
Yes, Pinky and The Brain
One is a genius
The other's insane.
They're laboratory mice
Their genes have been spliced
They're dinky
They're Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain.

The only person crying and bitching is you - this thread has been an excellent discourse on a difficult topic, either add something conducive to the point or keep it moving.

And I think all would agree that these kids need counseling, not punishment; and certainly not charged as terrorists. Use your head or gtfo.

I don't think they are terrorists, of course. Also, I don't know the details. I mean, if they had two dozen pipe bombs ready to go and a few thousand rounds of ammo, then I think it was prudent to arrest them for a conspiracy to commit a crime.

I don't know what it is, but in the last 20 years there has been a growth of "I'm pissed off so I'm going to take out everybody instead of just killing myself, so I can get on TV". We didn't have these crazy mass shootings when I was growing up. It seems like it all got started with the postal workers back in the 80's. WTF?

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You might want to get that broom that's stuck up your ass looked at by a medical professional.

dont put thoughts in my head

To plan mass murders is NOT NORMAL thinking I dont know what the fuck some of you are talking about. Its a sick person to actually try and plan something like that(even so much as trying to buy a gun to do the job), the parents are obviously at fault here. Those who make excuses that this is NORMAL to think like that is absurd, you people need to talk to some shrinks.

this is a different time, different generation and they have a far different thought process.