Guns in Airplanes
 

Now they want to train airline pilots and put guns in the cockpit.

stupid idiots

maybe if they were tranqulizer guns.. or really small calibre that won't penetrate the hull but you have to pump a few into the terrorist..

That would be so dumb. How would a pilot be able too shoot a gun and fly the plane at the same time? He would loose control of the plane and put all of the passangers lives in danger.

Maybee if we just had stricter gun laws, terrorists wouldnt be able to get a hold of guns so easily.

There basically LOW power calibre..It's really to intimidate Not to use...Not even the power of a bbgun is basically what there trying to come up with.. The problem is someone else getting a hold of it.. I personally don't think it will fly for long.. But Intimidation is the key here..

Exottica the only time pilots really fly is in bad weather,take off and landing.. The rest the plane does automatically fly by wire..

heheheh..

You dont really need the pilot to fly the plane at all so its no problem.

All the newer planes will happily land themselves and taxi off the runway (at the right airports) but flying themselves is pretty common.

The pilot really just monitors things and turns dials these days, doesnt often actually fly.


Jayson

Uh, it's not guns that are the problem. It's boxcutters. We need stricter boxcutter control.

Really, Isn't that the truth..

see but then they would just have to put 6 ot 7 people on an airplane, rush the cockpit and take the gone, now there is no need to carry on a weapon, it's already onboard

Exactly!!! My point is that we dont need pilots anymore. If we no longer have pilots smuggling in guns and drugs. Terrorism will halt.

It will also lower airline ticket prices. Prices will drop being there are no pilots to pay. This benifits all of us. Lower airfair, less drugs, no more terrorism.

stungun the wants

I don't think the gun idea ia a bad one.... but here's a better one:

Build the planes without an internal door to the cockpit. Make it a solid wall. No entry. Pilots would enter from a separate external door and the door would be bolted shut once they get inside. Now, unless a terrorist can figure out a way to get outside the plane and then break in through the separate door WHILE the plane is flying.... I don't see how the hell they would ever get access to the pilots or the cockpit.

problem solved.

I agree with AMP... that idea makes about 1000 times more sense.

I think we should hand out guns to everyone while they're boarding.

First dipshit to stand up and say "This is a hijacking" gets his ass shot up by 150 other angry people.

that would be very effective as well.....

I thought so. :)

Highly impractical, completely unrealistic, but it would be effective. :winkwink: There'd be lots of accidents, but no hijackings. hehe

Actually, they've talked about sealing the pilots off from the rest of the plane. From what I understand, the pilots don't like that idea.

They've talked about putting air marshall type people back on the planes...but again, they're worried about the hijackers getting the air marshall's gun.

I don't really see anyone hijacking a plane with a boxcutter or even a knife again. It worked last time because no one was expecting the planes to be used as weapons. It's a one time deal. Now people know, so if some jackoff tries to hijack a plane with a boxcutter, he's going to get his ass beat by the rest of the passengers.

I read a bunch of articles on the company that does security for a lot of the major airports, including the ones the 9/11 planes were hijacked from. Even months after that, they were doing completely stupid stuff. I personally think it has to start with getting that company out of doing the airport security and getting someone capable in there.

FatPad is right.

A free people should not tolerate the degree of security that would be required to guarantee that hijackers will not have weapons. It won't work, and every time it fails the security will get more ridiculous. In the end, you will be flying naked except for the mandatory straight jacket that all passengers must put on after their cavity search.

The only security lies in arming passengers. No hijacking could succeed if even a small percentage of passengers were armed. And even would-be martyrs think twice about throwing their lives away with NO CHANCE of getting control of the plane.

Check out <a href="http://www.projectsafeskies.org/">Project Safe Skies</a>.

the door of the cockpit is made to break away, in case of an emergency, the door will fly out and equalize the air pressue in the cabin. If you sealed it, or the door wasn't flimsy enough to break away, the enter cockpit could exploid..

Spot on, FATPad. I think the bigger concern now is guys like the would-be shoebomber, or perhaps more likely, bombers who never get on the plane - they just check in luggage with a bomb in it. Our airport security is still terrible, recent tests run by the FAA have seen security failure rates as high as 75%. I think brute force hijackings are likely to be a thing of the past, due in large part to increased passenger attentiveness, but terrorists can (sadly) still rely on good ol' American laziness/incompetence on the job.

The solution is setup a bullet proof door that only opens from the inside of the cockpit.
That way the pilots could leave the cockpit if they had to, but it would prevent anyone from entering.

While this solution would make it almost impossible to hijack, the fucking pilots don't want it.
They want the stewardess to suck their dick and bring them coffee etc..
A sealed door would prevent that.

Those fucking pilots make alot a money and the plane flies on its own.

That would be an ideal solution, but the airlines whined about having to spend money for improved cockpit doors. Do you think they're gonna fork out the bucks to do that?

Shit i thought they already had guns up there anyway - fucken load'em up i say - somebody on the plane needs to be able to defend it somehow - i mean if not the fucker is going down anyway, might as well have something to do!

What if the pilots have to take a leak or a dump Kreskin ??? :eek2

I like the idea ... but it needs work

El Al has armed plainclothes marshalls on all flights, and as far as I know, they have never been highjacked. Quite an accomplishment given how few friends Israel has.

they are hiring more air marshals or were
i saw the advertisement

pays 80k to 150k a year i believe

Actually, the way to prevent hijacking is for the planes to be pilotless robots controlled from the ground with NO radio contact between those controlling the plane and the outside world. Thus, if a hijacker takes a kid and puts a knife to her neck and says, "I'm going to kill this kid if you don't fly this plane to (Iraq or whatever)" the flight attendants could say, "Well, you can do that if you like, but this plane will land in Cleveland as scheduled and there really is no way to change the destination."

Right. Any wireless command link the mind of man can devise, the mind of man can hack.

Just what we need, terrorists hacking the master air traffic control circuit and crashing planes left and right from the comfort of an air conditioned van somewhere with a funny looking antenna on top.

#1: Bullet proof re-enforced cockpit doors.

#2: TV's in the cockpit that monitor the cabin.

#3: Flight crew have gas masks available.

#4: The aircraft is rigged with a non-lethal gas that will cause almost immediate, temporary, unconsiousness (Which we have in our arsenal). This can be activated from the cockpit along with a pre-determinded code which would be announced by the Captain as a warning to those members of the flight crew that are in a postion to don their gas masks to do so. When the Hi-Jackers are unconsious simply disarm and handcuff them.

Of course Airport "Security" (may be a joke) will have the additional duty of searching for gas masks.

non-lethal gas is a good idea indeed.
but I would hate to be taking a piss when they release this "knock out" gas.

Better to piss on ones self than to be pissed off when the plane is hijacked.

The best anesthesia tecniques available to medical science, used under controlled conditions by trained personnel, results in between a 1-2% death rate on the operating table, with another 5% suffering serious complications. Fast acting gasses in uncontrolled circumstances would be considerably worse -- perhaps a 5% fatality rate.

So, on a 747 with 300 passengers aboard, you're asking a pilot to kill 15 of his passengers by pushing a button based on a threat assessment made via closed circuit TV.

No thanks, I'd rather take my chances in a cabin full of flying bullets, most of which are at least aimed in the general direction of the bad guys.

We need to suck it up, grab our balls, let passengers travel armed, and get on with life!

Forkbeard:

"The best anesthesia tecniques available to medical science, used under controlled conditions by trained personnel, results in between a 1-2% death rate on the operating table, with another 5% suffering serious complications."

The anesthesia tecniques used in operating rooms is not singular. I am not talking about anesthetizing anyone for surgery; but simply rendering people unconscious.

Will this method of incapcitating, any would be hijackers, be without risk. No. There is always the possibility and maybe even the probablility that the hijackers would injure or kill someone before becoming incapacitated. There is the possibility that someone may not regain consciousness.

I view all these possibilities as having a lower risk factor than armed conflict in the cabin, or possibly the cockpit and/or a fighter shooting the aircraft down.

Some have suggested Tasers, but I have witnessed with my own eyes, in real life, as well as very recent demostrations on TV that one can be Tasered and still function and in fact one can train to resist the effects of being Tasered.

The TV demo had men and women being Tasered, sucking it up, and still approach the person with the Taser, and simulate cutting their throat. The initial hit barely slowed them down, as they ate the pain. I suppose one solution would be; is to increase the strength of the Tasers to the point of being fatal, which is a better solution than armed conflict.

One other thing about operating room fatalities. Studies have shown that too many of the operating room fatalities are caused by human error; caused by fatigue, and sometimes, plain incompetence and more often on the part of the anethesiologist, than the surgeon.