Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Im split on the immigration issue. I think the biggest issue is simplifying the immigration process. Anyone who has gone through it knows its a cluster fuck. Took us 3 years to get my wifes Greencard all situated. Its also very costly. It cost us close to 5k in fees, and two trips to Memphis, and one to New Orleans to get everything finished. Most of your run of the mill imigrants looking to just have a chance in America couldnt afford just the fees. :Oh crap

Originally Posted by pr0

We need to adopt the same situation canada has....bringing in skilled/educated people only and make that process extremely easy for them, no matter what country their from...india, mexico, eastern block countries etc.. And kick out all the people illegally here, who are just a drain on the system, & bad genetics in the pool.

Originally Posted by pr0

We need to adopt the same situation canada has....bringing in skilled/educated people only and make that process extremely easy for them, no matter what country their from...india, mexico, eastern block countries etc.. And kick out all the people illegally here, who are just a drain on the system, & bad genetics in the pool.

Originally Posted by Splum

I dont understand people, what part of the fucking word ILLEGAL dont they understand? Many of them are here ILLEGALLY its pretty simple? Anyone that says we should just allow people to cross into the USA without any kind of process is an idiot.

Originally Posted by Splum

I dont understand people, what part of the fucking word ILLEGAL dont they understand? Many of them are here ILLEGALLY its pretty simple? Anyone that says we should just allow people to cross into the USA without any kind of process is an idiot.

Originally Posted by escorpio

The people here illegally are more than a "drain on the system". They contribute social security they'll never collect and pay taxes. They do the work that urban welfare recipients refuse to do.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Then change the process. As long as there's a line in the sand where you can increase your income tenfold by jumping it, you're an idiot not to jump.

Originally Posted by pornguy

That is the thing, that people dont see. they bitch about them going to a hospital, and then not paying, when in fact the ones that do that usually are NOT illegal. The illegals have the witch that lives on the farm they work, stitch them up, or set bones.

And I will tell you now. I wont pick tomatoes for less than 15$ an hour with 2 coffee breaks a 1 hour lunch, medical and dental insurance.

How much do you think you will be paying for a pound of tomatoes then????

Solvoing the mexican illegal issue is an easy one. Dont go after them. it like chasing a needle in a hay stack. go after the businesses, that hire them, as well as the people that rent homes and appartments. Make it easier for them to come and work, and then go home every night. ITS A LOT FUCKING CHEAPER to LIVE in mexico.

Originally Posted by pr0

yup thats why people sell crack

so i guess we should just make crack legal & sell it in grocery stores by that logic

mexico & honduras etc. have excellent skilled carpenters & farmers, all i'm saying is, make the process more streamlined for legitimate workers....people with skill, let them over after reviewing their mental capacity

and as far as them contributing to social security? are you fucking kidding me? they all get paid under the table, or as contractors....& they dont fucking pay taxs you stupid stupid stupid fuck

Originally Posted by pr0

yup thats why people sell crack

so i guess we should just make crack legal & sell it in grocery stores by that logic

mexico & honduras etc. have excellent skilled carpenters & farmers, all i'm saying is, make the process more streamlined for legitimate workers....people with skill, let them over after reviewing their mental capacity

and as far as them contributing to social security? are you fucking kidding me? they all get paid under the table, or as contractors....& they dont fucking pay taxs you stupid stupid stupid fuck

Originally Posted by pr0

The days of illegals making $5 an hour is way over....that was the early 90's, the illegals today are making $12-15 an hour, trust me, i know alot of guys running construction teams

Originally Posted by escorpio

Selling crack has greater societal ramifications than somebody working illegally. Bad attempt at analogy.

Your assertion that they "all work under the table" and don't pay taxes just shows how little you know about the subject, YOU stupid fuck. In the county I live Mexican citizens pay a majority of the sales tax collected. These aren't illegals but Mexican citizens. Less federal and state income tax and more sales taxes is the way to tax any underground economy. I think our government should do more of it.

The government knows it needs Mexicans despite the protests of racist fucks like you. That's why they don't REALLY do anything about it except talk and posture to appease you inbreeders that don't want your gene pool messed with.

Originally Posted by pr0

Did you just call me a racist because i simply believe we only need to let in skilled/educated workers? I havn't made a single racist remark in this thread. It's always the person losing the argument that turns to accusing others of racism.

You can run your mouth all day long. But the simple fact is...anyone coming over the border needs to be screened for a criminal record & show that they have a skill that will add to the countries well being.

As far as deporting the illegals, the only suggestion i have outside of rounding them up & kicking them up...would be to offer them a 4 year run in the military, upon completion, they would become probationary citizens.

Its how rome did it, & i think it'll work just fine here.

Originally Posted by pr0

You can run your mouth all day long. But the simple fact is...anyone coming over the border needs to be screened for a criminal record & show that they have a skill that will add to the countries well being.

As far as deporting the illegals, the only suggestion i have outside of rounding them up & kicking them up...would be to offer them a 4 year run in the military, upon completion, they would become probationary citizens.

Its how rome did it, & i think it'll work just fine here.

Originally Posted by escorpio

I'm not losing any argument and I called you a racist for your "gene pool" comment. You showed yourself.

Originally Posted by pr0

yea....as in the collective gene pool of the entire country, made up of all races

if you wanna be in charge of taking care of all the illegal immigrant mongoloids that got over here simply because they can climb a fence, feel free....but some of us don't wanna deal with it

Originally Posted by escorpio

To assert that a race will mess up the gene pool and are "mongoloids" is racist.

And you're not "in charge of taking care of" anyone. What in the fuck gives you that idea?

Originally Posted by pr0

Maybe escorpio you don't live around the illegals. It's not alot of fun. People are getting stabbed & robbed 24-7. I can't even walk in a 7-11 anymore without being hassled for 20 minutes by some dude named Julio who insists he can paint anything...the only problem is, i keep saying "I DONT NEED ANYTHING PAINTED, IM TRYING TO GET A FUCKING SLURPEE"....yet julio keeps grabbing me by the shoulder begging me to give him a painting job, keeping me from being able to enter 7-11.

And of course i can't push him away...because 40 of his friends are standing right there, all carrying knives, none can speak enough english to diffuse a situation, & i don't have enough rounds in my clip for the entire crowd.

So fuck your politically correct shit, & come see how the real world works.

Originally Posted by escorpio

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
I live on the border in Arizona. Here's the demographic breakdown of my neighborhood...

the racial makeup of the CDP was 62.84% White, 0.69% Black or African American, 0.73% Native American, 1.21% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 32.30% from other races, and 2.19% from two or more races. 87.30% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

So yeah, I've come into contact with a Mexican or two.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

I hate when people talk their head off without knowing shit about nothing. pr0, you need to get a little more educated about the issue before you open your mouth, hopefully this site will enlighten you a little http://www.farmworkers.org/benglish.html, you?ll learn that the immigrant workers issue is not a recent one and that the Mexican workers have contributed over the years to the economic development of your country; they also contributed during WWII by working the fields while the majority of American males went overseas; that in the past our two countries have successfully worked together to find solutions to the problem (bracero project), and so on.

Originally Posted by pr0

Can't you agree we need to solve the influx of illegal/undocumented people entering our country? Or should we just open america up, without checking anyone out.....for anyone in the fucking world to just come on over, for the sake of not being called racists & elitest.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

I hate when people talk their head off without knowing shit about nothing. pr0, you need to get a little more educated about the issue before you open your mouth, hopefully this site will enlighten you a little http://www.farmworkers.org/benglish.html, you?ll learn that the immigrant workers issue is not a recent one and that the Mexican workers have contributed over the years to the economic development of your country; they also contributed during WWII by working the fields while the majority of American males went overseas; that in the past our two countries have successfully worked together to find solutions to the problem (bracero project), and so on.

Originally Posted by pornguy

Amigo where in mexico are you?

Originally Posted by pr0

Can you people read?

I'm 100% for immigration, there need to be checks & balances. We can't just continue letting anyone climb the fence.

We need a setup like canada has....period.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

Yes, I read very well, thank you. :321GFY

Originally Posted by pr0

look seriously guys...i didn't mean to come accross as an asshole in this thread...i'm sure some of my views don't aline with yours

but i think we can all agree that there needs to be a system in place to review who we let into this country

and we need to make latino immigrant workers especially....more legal, so that we know who's here, & not only that.....so that these building contractor scumbags, & large farms don't take advantage of these poor people simply because their illegal

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

I told you that the US and Mexican governments have worked a solution in the past, and now my President has been proposing a similar plan for the past five years, very much like what you are saying. But your President has intransigently refused it, you should ask him and your congressmen why.

Those Mexican flags you were talking about tell me only one thing: that those people are proud of their origins; that they are aware of who they are, where they come from, and where they're at; that they left most of their loved ones back in Mexico; that they want they basic human rights to be validated. Can you see a different picture now?

Originally Posted by Splum

Yeah and you arent a bit biased or anything there bud. If an unflux of illegal Americans entered Mexico youd be just as pissed. These people are here ILLEGALLY - Why dont you get that? Would it be ok for you to run your adult business ILLEGALLY? NO so there ya go bud, they need to do things our LEGAL way or get the fuck out. I dont care if tomatoes cost $2 a piece I dont want my tax dollars to pay for some illegals hospital bill. I hate to say it but old Bushy called this one right - guest worker program for the current illegal criminals in our country and then crack down on the rest that think its ok to jump the border. There is a PROCESS these lazy fuckers need to go through, sorry thats just the way it is in ANY COUNTRY.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

... why don?t you come to the border and see for yourself how things really are

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

I told you that the US and Mexican governments have worked a solution in the past, and now my President has been proposing a similar plan for the past five years, very much like what you are saying. But your President has intransigently refused it, you should ask him and your congressmen why.

Those Mexican flags you were talking about tell me only one thing: that those people are proud of their origins; that they are aware of who they are, where they come from, and where they're at; that they left most of their loved ones back in Mexico; that they want they basic human rights to be validated. Can you see a different picture now?

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

Speaking of legalities, let me remind you that your President Bush went to war ILLEGALLY, and who gave a fuck? You rewarded him with a second term. How nice. I guess that?s the way you do things in your country.

This legal talk is political bullshit, you?re so blinded you can?t see what?s really going on. You think your government officials are so straight and every thing, why don?t you come to the border and see for yourself how things really are, your border is porous because your government want it that way, the border patrol turn a blind eye on some people crossing the border to go to work knowingly, I see it every day, you wouldn?t believe how many maids and yard workers cross the bridge legally early in the day, work illegally in the US, and return to Mexico in the evening every single day, many of them travel to other parts of the country and stay permanently.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

¿How's the weather in Nogales? I'm going to Obregón the first week of April.

Saludos.

Originally Posted by pr0

Maybe escorpio you don't live around the illegals. It's not alot of fun. People are getting stabbed & robbed 24-7. I can't even walk in a 7-11 anymore without being hassled for 20 minutes by some dude named Julio who insists he can paint anything...the only problem is, i keep saying "I DONT NEED ANYTHING PAINTED, IM TRYING TO GET A FUCKING SLURPEE"....yet julio keeps grabbing me by the shoulder begging me to give him a painting job, keeping me from being able to enter 7-11.

And of course i can't push him away...because 40 of his friends are standing right there, all carrying knives, none can speak enough english to diffuse a situation, & i don't have enough rounds in my clip for the entire crowd.

So fuck your politically correct shit, & come see how the real world works.

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

Speaking of legalities, let me remind you that your President Bush went to war ILLEGALLY, and who gave a fuck? You rewarded him with a second term. How nice. I guess that?s the way you do things in your country.

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I always like how people say that this illegal immigrant of that one refrains from criminal activity. Come on people, the very act of coming into this country without going through the proper channels is a criminal act and the people that do it are criminals. People that try to get in here under the radar are not the kind of people that make good citizens.

Getting through immigration is a pain in the ass. Its supposed to be. Thats the whole idea. Getting a drivers license is a pain in the ass, too. Maybe we should just skip the skills test and the damn paraell parking thing that everyone cant do, right? If you arent willing to go through some pain and hassle of getting into my country by filling out some forms and jumping through some hoops, then fuck you, go back where you came from and stay there. You have to want citizenship and you should be willing to earn it.

Most of the people that are coming here now the type that are broke and worthless slobs who want to come here and take advantage of our communist, unconsitutional handout programs and get a housing voucher while they work this little hustle and that one earning cash off the books and either sending it back or living it up.

And yes, I know, the old arguement that the few that do work are doing jobs that I wouldnt want to do anyway. Damn right, as an adult I have earned better. But there is not a damn thing wrong with a high school kid learning a little bit of responsibility and earning his keep for once by taking a part time, unskilled job. Or a skilled one for that matter. Having a kid work construction on the weekend earning himself $10 to $20 an hour is a damn good idea.

But no, the illegals have all those jobs now.



Dont you dare lump me in with the people who voted for that fucking prick. I do give a shit and I didnt vote for the son of a bitch the first or the second time and if I had my way, he'd be shoveling shit in a stable or worse.



Solving this illegal problem is an easy one. Round up the illegals by whatever means nessicary. Give them thier due process to shut the liberals up even though they have no right to it since the consitution does not apply to people who are not citizens, and jail those found guilty in military prison camps. When the camps reach capacity, close all public schools for one week in every border state. Herd them onto the school busses and bus them back to wherever they came from. Upon exit from the vechile, they be given a paper (written in english and whatever else that is needed) that explains if they come back and are caught again, they will be put to death. And then make good on the threat.

And to whoever above me who said imagine how much a pound of tommatos would cost if I paid an American to pick them: Its a price I'd be willing to pay.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Awwww, did some mexican take your job washing dishes at Chili's, you retarded redneck?

Originally Posted by escorpio

The people here illegally are more than a "drain on the system". They contribute social security they'll never collect and pay taxes. They do the work that urban welfare recipients refuse to do.

Originally Posted by pornguy

That is the thing, that people dont see. they bitch about them going to a hospital, and then not paying, when in fact the ones that do that usually are NOT illegal. The illegals have the witch that lives on the farm they work, stitch them up, or set bones.

And I will tell you now. I wont pick tomatoes for less than 15$ an hour with 2 coffee breaks a 1 hour lunch, medical and dental insurance.

How much do you think you will be paying for a pound of tomatoes then????

Solvoing the mexican illegal issue is an easy one. Dont go after them. it like chasing a needle in a hay stack. go after the businesses, that hire them, as well as the people that rent homes and appartments. Make it easier for them to come and work, and then go home every night. ITS A LOT FUCKING CHEAPER to LIVE in mexico.