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cranki 03-13-2006 06:25 AM

tax evasion with epassporte?
 
I live outside the US and I'm thinking about getting a visa electron and receiving all my payments over epassporte to save the cheque-cashing fees.

Now I wondered that if I do this, there will be no transactions in my wire bank account whatsoever... No tax officer would be able to track my income and I'd still be able to buy anything via the electron, is that correct?

Of course I'll still declare all my income, but theoretically, I wouldn't have to and no one would be aware, right?

Odin 03-13-2006 06:35 AM

Depends what country you are in. But mostly the tax officers watch incoming ATM transaction, and purchases through electronic cards. Most nations have advanced data-mining techniques, so if the epassporte card is in your name you will get a knock at the door sooner or later. I can't offer much advice beyond that, it really depends on your country, but there are ways to get pseudo name 'visa' prepaid type cards (including epassporte) that could help you bring money into the country with no problems. Of course if the money is alot, you are going to have to be accountable for it sooner or later when you go to make a significant purchase (car, house).

ricks 03-13-2006 07:01 AM

You are ok unless epassporte gets audited and the IRS turns over your info to your government, which happens all the time.

sfera 03-13-2006 07:02 AM

dont cheat or u go to jail

Damian_Maxcash 03-13-2006 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricks
You are ok unless epassporte gets audited and the IRS turns over your info to your government, which happens all the time.

Epass isnt in the US as far as I know - or at least the banking records.

Its based in Curacao and I dont think the banks like their records audited by the US IRS :)

Of course I dont make enough profit to have to worry about such things :upsidedow

polish_aristocrat 03-13-2006 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001
Epass isnt in the US as far as I know - or at least the banking records.

Its based in Curacao and I dont think the banks like their records audited by the US IRS :)

Of course I dont make enough profit to have to worry about such things :upsidedow

you lost me with the last sentence...

Damian_Maxcash 03-13-2006 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
you lost me with the last sentence...

I meant I only made 1.97 with my GFY sig last year so I dont have to worry about tax returns. :Oh crap

KingK7 03-13-2006 07:59 AM

tax0rz sux0rs

ricks 03-13-2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001
Epass isnt in the US as far as I know - or at least the banking records.

Its based in Curacao and I dont think the banks like their records audited by the US IRS :)

Of course I dont make enough profit to have to worry about such things :upsidedow


Epassporte dosen't have to be. They use a Visa Electron, which is processed in the US. A few years ago the IRS got access to records of all 'offshore' Visa accounts because they were being processed in the US even though they are tied to accounts outside of the US. Not declaring income in the US is a risky game, people do go to jail for that sort of thing.

Read this: http://www.mckenzielaw.com/offshore%20accounts.htm

Egomancer 03-13-2006 02:11 PM

Interesting,
and they have access to the european VISA transactions too? I mean WTF, the US goverment has access to all the VISA transactions all over the world? This is a war reason (no shit here!)

Egomancer

cranki 03-14-2006 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egomancer
Interesting,
and they have access to the european VISA transactions too? I mean WTF, the US goverment has access to all the VISA transactions all over the world? This is a war reason (no shit here!)

I wonder whether the IRS has bilateral contracts with european tax agencies to give out information?!

Webby 03-14-2006 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cranki
I live outside the US and I'm thinking about getting a visa electron and receiving all my payments over epassporte to save the cheque-cashing fees.

Now I wondered that if I do this, there will be no transactions in my wire bank account whatsoever... No tax officer would be able to track my income and I'd still be able to buy anything via the electron, is that correct?

Of course I'll still declare all my income, but theoretically, I wouldn't have to and no one would be aware, right?

If you are living in a high-tax regime and pulling funds into your country and not declaring this income - it's problematical.

If you happen to live in the UK :winkwink:, it's even more problematical cos the IR just won a concession via OECD whereby they can now "capture" residents pulling external funding into the UK and have obtained "rights" to access a fair amount of data. Of course, they were very pleased with this and little doubts other EU countries will shortly be joining that bandwagon.

As regards Visa and the US - can't say for epass in particular, but the US does not have rights of access to any offshore facilities. Their powers stopped at Visa Miami as far as the Caribbean is concerned. Again, can't say for epass, but no offshore bank will issue details of cardholders. It's illegal.

Gotta say tho... it's better to remain "legal" in the country you reside, - else move out if you don't like their tax laws.

PS.. that last para on moving out don't apply to US folks - they are captured either way.

PussyTeenies 03-14-2006 01:22 AM

i use it in my own bought country :P

cranki 03-14-2006 04:14 AM

Hm I guess I need to find I way to get records of my income or they'll probably think I launder money?!

andrej_NDC 03-14-2006 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief
Depends what country you are in. But mostly the tax officers watch incoming ATM transaction, and purchases through electronic cards. Most nations have advanced data-mining techniques, so if the epassporte card is in your name you will get a knock at the door sooner or later. I can't offer much advice beyond that, it really depends on your country, but there are ways to get pseudo name 'visa' prepaid type cards (including epassporte) that could help you bring money into the country with no problems. Of course if the money is alot, you are going to have to be accountable for it sooner or later when you go to make a significant purchase (car, house).

You are 100% correct.

xclusive 03-14-2006 05:18 AM

Don't fuck with the tax man

IceMaster 03-14-2006 06:03 AM

Visa is useless in the jail, so...

LadyMischief 03-14-2006 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricks
You are ok unless epassporte gets audited and the IRS turns over your info to your government, which happens all the time.


Epassporte is offshore, I don't believe the IRS has any jurisdiction over them.

cranki 04-30-2006 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Epassporte is offshore, I don't believe the IRS has any jurisdiction over them.

but VISA isn't...

Choppa 04-30-2006 08:39 AM

yeah offshore

cranki 04-30-2006 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by choppa
yeah offshore

so what? visa is in us jurisdiction, so in case they would prolly give out card holder details to the taxmenm wouldn't they?

GiveIntoMe 04-30-2006 09:03 AM

I've been withdrawing money everyday for the last 15 months, nothings happened here in terms of knocks at the door. :) :)

u-Bob 04-30-2006 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe
I've been withdrawing money everyday for the last 15 months, nothings happened here in terms of knocks at the door. :) :)

You're in the US or... ?

Antonio 04-30-2006 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe
I've been withdrawing money everyday for the last 15 months, nothings happened here in terms of knocks at the door. :) :)

log into your epassporte and see your transactions - you'll see a detailed list of your withdrawals including the location of the ATMs, do you think that your local
'IRS' can not get that info if they want to?

sickbeatz 04-30-2006 09:16 AM

if you wanna do illegal banking i know some offshore banks that'll be more than happy to help you. i know some lawyers that will set you up with third world shell companies too. only thing, to open an account with any of these institutions; one of the requirements is a minimum balance of no less than 2.5 million dollars.

madawgz 04-30-2006 09:19 AM

whoa! this was a good read, goooood to know epassporte isnt located in the US :)

cranki 04-30-2006 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio
log into your epassporte and see your transactions - you'll see a detailed list of your withdrawals including the location of the ATMs, do you think that your local
'IRS' can not get that info if they want to?

they don't have my password :winkwink:

no really, that's what I'm wondering... does VISA give out information about withdrawals to local tax agencies?

SomeCreep 04-30-2006 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cranki
Of course I'll still declare all my income

oh, of course.

cranki 04-30-2006 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
oh, of course.

yeah, who doesn't?! I want my country to have a better infrastructure, less debt, more kindergartens and schools and free parking everywhere, so I help where I can :thumbsup

shack 04-30-2006 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Epassporte is offshore, I don't believe the IRS has any jurisdiction over them.


You are dead right, they dont, and it has nothing to do with Visa.

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If you were drawing out 1000's a week form an offshore source then I'm sure they would catch onto you at some stage..

"living beyond your means"

But for the most part, a couple hundred a week isnt going to put you in the shit.

Only my :2 cents:

polish_aristocrat 04-30-2006 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cranki
yeah, who doesn't?! I want my country to have a better infrastructure, less debt, more kindergartens and schools and free parking everywhere, so I help where I can :thumbsup

:1orglaugh

GiveIntoMe 04-30-2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob
You're in the US or... ?


no Blairs country :)

PMdave 04-30-2006 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cranki
Location: in the heart of europe

Belgium?

cranki 04-30-2006 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PMdave
Belgium?

nope
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...18#post9792318

minusonebit 04-30-2006 11:16 AM

Yeah, you can dodge taxes with ePassporte as long as ePassporte dosent go the way of iBill one day in the middle of the night.

GiveIntoMe 04-30-2006 11:24 AM

how many cards do you have guys? I have 4 Epassporte cards. :) :)

stickyfingerz 04-30-2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe
I've been withdrawing money everyday for the last 15 months, nothings happened here in terms of knocks at the door. :) :)

Your sig conflicts with your statement. :2 cents:

GiveIntoMe 04-30-2006 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Your sig conflicts with your statement. :2 cents:


reason for that is someones programming for me, when its completed you can enter your details, pay via Epassporte, and buy spots on my blogs etc etc. And make me even richer :) :winkwink: :thumbsup :winkwink: :thumbsup


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