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wedouglas 02-20-2006 04:31 PM

Adult Adword players, inside.
 
I know there are a few on GFY. What are you thoughts on forming some type of company and monopolizing it? I'm pretty sure there are a few on here that know what they are doing. I'm sure we all know where each others ads are and who is who. If we are all in the same league, I bet we could effectively drop costs while greatly increasing stablity by working together.

Just a thought.

karlm 02-20-2006 04:31 PM

Wont happen :)

Dirty F 02-20-2006 04:32 PM

Uhm right...

wedouglas 02-20-2006 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by karlm
Wont happen :)

Of course there is always the problem of someone thinking they should be making more, but if the general ballpark incomes are the same, you effectively can weed out all the bad days, make the same if not more, and increase the stability and security.

wedouglas 02-20-2006 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Uhm right...

This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

Dirty F 02-20-2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas
This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

What does that have to do with it...im just saying this wont happen. And imalways right, even when im wrong.

Dirty F 02-20-2006 04:36 PM

Btw, i make 3 gazllion a year off adwords so shut yer hole.

Manowar 02-20-2006 04:40 PM

good idea, wouldnt happen though

wedouglas 02-20-2006 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar
good idea, wouldnt happen though

Would only take a couple people.

I think there are only a few people out there who know what they are doing with adult adwords. 1 or 2 of em I know are on this board.

Just tossing it out there though.

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 04:51 PM

Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
WG

Dirty F 02-20-2006 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
WG

This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

Blizzard 02-20-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

wedouglas 02-20-2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
WG

That is what would require a company and a lot of thinking. The only real question I see that would need to be answered would be cash flow. Everything would just have to been centrally controlled with a new account or allow access to the current accounts to everyone. I honestly think you could dominate adult adwords with about 3-4 people. It's just a matter of how you decide who makes what.

Blizzard 02-20-2006 04:59 PM

Attention Affiliates: There's no money in AdWords or PPC anymore, you'll have more luck getting in the Middle Eastern oil biz :)

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

:1orglaugh

wedouglas 02-20-2006 05:01 PM

Also, I think everyone has enough data to determine their share that is being contributed. I sure as hell know my break downs like the back of my hand

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas
That is what would require a company and a lot of thinking. The only real question I see that would need to be answered would be cash flow. Everything would just have to been centrally controlled with a new account or allow access to the current accounts to everyone. I honestly think you could dominate adult adwords with about 3-4 people. It's just a matter of how you decide who makes what.

What possible advantage is there by pooling several affiliates together? I only see a huge disaster waiting to happen by doing so. Besides, I know quite a few whales out there that do quite well on their own, cash flow isn't the problem in becoming a large-scale player.
WG

wedouglas 02-20-2006 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
What possible advantage is there by pooling several affiliates together? I only see a huge disaster waiting to happen by doing so. Besides, I know quite a few whales out there that do quite well on their own, cash flow isn't the problem in becoming a large-scale player.
WG

The advantage is stability and less competition between the ones that know what they are doing. I know for a fact I have competed heavily with someone on this board and essentially just made google more money. This could considerably decrease costs.

Not to mention the tips and tricks that everyone could share. I do things that I see no one out there doing and make good money from them. Everyone has their tricks and methods. I honestly think there is more money to be made in working with others. Just my :2 cents:

nekrom 02-20-2006 05:25 PM

Jup I agree too it wont happen. People don't like to talk about their campaigns, keys, ctr, etc etc with each other, let alone as a collective. And why share your tip top secrets just to create more competition for yourself?

As a solo flyer like many others I really can't see the advantage of sharing a market/keys with x amount of others. It just sounds like less $ and more saturation to me.

-N

wedouglas 02-20-2006 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nekrom
Jup I agree too it wont happen. People don't like to talk about their campaigns, keys, ctr, etc etc with each other, let alone as a collective. And why share your tip top secrets just to create more competition for yourself?

As a solo flyer like many others I really can't see the advantage of sharing a market/keys with x amount of others. It just sounds like less $ and more saturation to me.

-N

How can this cause satuartion? Less ads are out there. That will create less competition. The idea isn't for everyone to run their own stuff and then at the end of the month say "I made y amount of dollars." The idea is to run the business as a one entity. Employing all the members skills to help the group, not the individual.

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas
The advantage is stability and less competition between the ones that know what they are doing. I know for a fact I have competed heavily with someone on this board and essentially just made google more money. This could considerably decrease costs.

Not to mention the tips and tricks that everyone could share. I do things that I see no one out there doing and make good money from them. Everyone has their tricks and methods. I honestly think there is more money to be made in working with others. Just my :2 cents:


You must have adult webmasters confused with the good samaritan co-op charity. No way in hell is anyone going to share keyword lists, their trade secrets or how to convert traffic to other people. Like I said, there's little to no benefit to pooling resources together.
WG

studiocritic 02-20-2006 06:01 PM

it'd be nice to see, but it doesn't seem realistic.. i have a list of webmaster id's that i see in destination url's i'd really like to have a chat with though. :1orglaugh

wedouglas 02-20-2006 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
You must have adult webmasters confused with the good samaritan co-op charity. No way in hell is anyone going to share keyword lists, their trade secrets or how to convert traffic to other people. Like I said, there's little to no benefit to pooling resources together.
WG

Ask the guy above me if he like when his cpc increases because im simply trying to drive up his costs. I'm not making more money. He isn't making more money. Google is. Competition is the deciding factor in actual cpc. My min bid for every keyword is .01 but im not paying it on everything. Eliminating competition decreases costs. Plain and simple.

CyberHustler 02-20-2006 06:04 PM

I Dont Know About What Everybody Else Is Talking About... But Ill Sell U A Banner Spot On My Warning Page

wedouglas 02-20-2006 06:06 PM

keeping down cost will also increase stability and security of your income.

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas
Ask the guy above me if he like when his cpc increases because im simply trying to drive up his costs. I'm not making more money. He isn't making more money. Google is. Competition is the deciding factor in actual cpc. My min bid for every keyword is .01 but im not paying it on everything. Eliminating competition decreases costs. Plain and simple.

In a perfect world what you said is true. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. Competition thrives, competition is what drives the marketplace. Collusion (which is basically what you're describing) will ultimately fail unless you can control every person in the market including new entries. Assume you do set up this magical company that will control all of adwords adult, it won't be hard for a new competitor to start up and swoop right in and create havoc to your plans.

WG

wedouglas 02-20-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
In a perfect world what you said is true. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. Competition thrives, competition is what drives the marketplace. Collusion (which is basically what you're describing) will ultimately fail unless you can control every person in the market including new entries. Assume you do set up this magical company that will control all of adwords adult, it won't be hard for a new competitor to start up and swoop right in and create havoc to your plans.

WG

Actually it would be hard. Because the only threat that the current players have are one another. I know most of the people I am competing with. All the people who dabble in adwords aren't really a problem. I'd be willing to bet your most expensive compeition is from the few who know what they are doing.

WiredGuy 02-20-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas
Actually it would be hard. Because the only threat that the current players have are one another. I know most of the people I am competing with. All the people who dabble in adwords aren't really a problem. I'd be willing to bet your most expensive compeition is from the few who know what they are doing.


Lots of new people would popup when they realize there's a market with no competition up for grabs. If I wasn't in adult, I'd jump all over it if I saw there's only 1 competitor.
WG

wedouglas 02-20-2006 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
Lots of new people would popup when they realize there's a market with no competition up for grabs. If I wasn't in adult, I'd jump all over it if I saw there's only 1 competitor.
WG

That weak competition is still there though. When you look at your adult ads, how many broad matched irrelevant ads do you see vs. targeted ones?

Juilan 02-20-2006 06:30 PM

lots of the sponsors are doing it though with $$$ daily budgets, can't control that...

Beejeebers 02-20-2006 06:30 PM

I think it's possible, but it should be kept quiet... :)

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