what are your thoughts about TGP2 ?
 

http://www.adultchamber.com/members/solutions-tgp2.htm
http://www.adultchamber.com/members/tgp2-resources.htm

can it make adult webmasters more money in the long run ?

TGP will die.. TGP2 will die before that :)

TGP2

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The idea is great, but too many webmasters can't understand how to market it right. :)

Big money with tgp2... but not enough traffic to really make it these days though:disgust

i wish sponsors would be offering TGP 2 galleries

for gallery submissions it doesn't sound like there's enough traffic available to really make it worth while, although I've not tried that

however if you're making galleries for your own sites, it probably makes a lot more sense than giving away 3X as much content and having far fewer links to the sponsor on each gallery page...

mayorsmoney has some... dunno who else

I'm curious to know the date of that article.

Anyways, tgp2 wasn't a bad idea in theory, but a main problem is similiar to those that advocate the use of only softcore content.

Unless the majority of tgp1 sites followed suit, any traffic tgp2 sites had, was inevitably going to be lost once the surfer found a site that would show ALL of the thumbs on their galleries. Try to convince the hun that he should switch to tgp2.

Similarly, unless everyone stops using hardcore on their galleries, it's hard to go with softcore alone (softcore sites and nn niche notwithstanding). If 99.9999% of people started using softcore only (to promote hardcore sites), imagine how much traffic that one guy who still used hardcore pics would get to his galleries.

:2 cents:

If everyone did it, everyone would make more money. But, since that isn't going to happen:

Can you make a living strictly with TGP2? No.
Are the long term rewards worth the modest effort? Yes.

Don't compare TGP2 with TGP. They are two different animals. TGP = quick initial money / little to no long term rewards. TGP2 = little or no quick money / nice long term SE streams.

take into account the amount of dialers, skimming, popups, under consoles and all the other shit the surfer gets on a tgp1. he might just run off to the tgp2 that gives him the less but without all the shit.

it's all about making money and at some point the low conversions for the tgp1 owners and for the submitter will hit a nerve to action.
tgp1 will die faster once tgp2 are around: once the submitter realize they can get more sales for less bandwidth they might prefer the tgp2 sites.
tgp1 will be left with the skimmed traffic with poor conversions and high bandwidth cost, so in general their money making model will be damaged ever more from what it is now, it might be more worth it to turn into a tgp2.

just a thought.

TGP2 is dead. It's a shame to see it laid to rest but it is without a doubt dead. It died a few years ago... and honestly I think this board is part of what killed it. TGP's were never as popular before GFY got really rolling. Back then there were a lot more Link Lists and CJs than TGP's.

When 2001 came around there was a moment where TGP2 could have taken off but when everyone started coming into the game they were directed here to this board and Porncity. A lot of the big TGP guys were here and over there so the newbs skipped over everything else and got pushed directly into making a TGP as thier main source of revenue since the most popular guys were all doing it.

Forget TGP2... forget AVS... forget CJs... forget link lists... it became all about giving away massive amounts of free hardcore porn.

By 2003 there was no more balance. So the chances of TGP2 living were bleak. It's 2006 now, there's more free porn on tours than a TGP2 gallery. Why would anyone start a TGP2 TGP? It would be nice if that's the direction things could go in but realistically it's not. Blogs are a better option than that.


The only reason you are discovering it now is because people don't erase pages on their websites. Discovering TGP2 now is like discovering a 1960's calculator in a time capsule.

GREAT post, especially about the 'history of TGP's'...

all i remember when i was a surfer in 1999/2000 i could not find any free porn on the web and i was HAPPY about 8 seconds shitty quality fuck clips that i could find maybe once per month

i know that the big tgp's already existed back then, but i simply couldnt find them and ended on toplists and CJ's...

Very informative post but I disagree with the notion that it couldn't be done, I think the reason that it isn't done is because the availablity of standard 15-16 pic FHG's makes it so easy to use those instead of custom tgp2 galleries when building tgp's. If more sponsors would offer tgp2 type fhg's they would probably be used more often by affiliates...

Many webmasters usually cite the idea that people will just gravitate toward where they can find the most hardcore for free with the minimum of advertising (hardcore TGPs), but that has been proven to not be true in many instances. Look at the big linklists, they all do link trades for traffic with big tgp's, and I don't think the reason that they do this is to send their bookmarkers away to tgp's. So if traffic trading works for linklists and tgp's, why wouldn't it for tgp's and tgp2 sites? So the lack of an existing traffic base for TGP2 really isn't an issue.

It would be interesting to see someone develop a site like that but most of the attempts I've seen at this so far are somewhat feeble and typically use very poorly designed gallery pages which don't really give it a fair shot to compare against standard better looking fhg's. Add to this that the TGP2 crowd seems to be somewhat of a group of purists who don't want to use some of the more recent innovations the tgp crowd has used (and misused) to gain an edge and it ends up going right where is has been going for a while, no where..

For this to ever have a real chance I think it's going to take some sponsors getting involved with fhg's in that format. I'm surprised more of them don't jump at the chance to do this considering it means they'd have at least 3X as much promotional material from the same amount of content.

Or like you said maybe it'd be easier just to start doing blog entries...

Hey bro, I understand what you are saying but it's not likey to happen. The TGP2 movement was spearheaded by some great and very well known guys. Still, no dice.

Polish Aristocrat, I wish CJs could come back in force. They were the single best herders and filterers of bulk traffic. The TGP/CJ hybrid doesn't even come close. Pure CJ's would knock you around and filter you at every step until clicking a banner with a little skin seemed like the best option! LOL

TGP/CJ's knock you around but they just knock you around from TGP to TGP where you get a nice dose of FHG's still in between instead of filtering you and forcing you to a sponsor.

I think we've lost all of our senses. If the idea is to trade traffic as a means to getting steady hits why be nice about it? Why not go all CJ? Everyone isn't gonna be The Hun. I promise you that you will make a lot more money being agressive than if you focus on getting tgp bookmarkers.

The rise of the TGP has killed the agressiveness of the sponsors too. Freeloaders used to get hit with 10 exit consoles. They were freeloaders so who cares. If you didn't wanna see the consoles you would have to join the site. Now programs are scared to pop two consoles in fear of pissing off TGP's. Payouts used to be heading toward $100 a join. Now they are at $30 on average. I've seen a lot more $18- $25 dollar payouts offered by major programs too for certain kinds of traffic.

Do you think this is going the right direction?

same here, that was when i was 15-16 back in 98-99, oh how nice when I discovered that there was money to be made :upsidedow

:winkwink: :winkwink: :winkwink:

2001 article..

hmm, well I wasn't doing much affiliate stuff back then so I wasn't aware of that. Sucks to hear it though, I made some tgp2 galleries for my site last summer and they've consistently been the best converting galleries on my site; however the majority of galleries on my site are still standard galleries. The only reason I haven't made more since then is because of being involved in other endeavors.

I agree with you that it's getting ridiculous regarding the no console tour rules alot of the TGP's are enforcing now, and the general attitude of some of the TGP owners... I mean the sites shouldn't be a 'place for easy access to free stuff', it's an advertising venue lol. No console has its place for huge lists of sites, not for gallery links.

Hoping that the customers buy something just because the quality of the content entices them to is a pathetic sales model unless you're promoting met-art type erotica sites, yet that's what sites with 100 different bangbros etc galleries are trying to do. The profit margins aren't any where near where they could be but they're good enough to keep most people from trying anything else either.

Shemp! I'm glad you posted. Your site is one of the few that still tries to agressively sell something before giving the galleries away. There's only a few of you guys left.

Look at www.shemp.com & www.persiankitty.com & www.richards-realm.com for 3 examples of not giving it away easily. :thumbsup

TGP isn't a bad thing, but I think everyone needs to stop being so nice to the surfer so we can all make more money. If people are paying for submit passes then let them put pics on html pages... etc.

I thought for sure this thread was going to be dated 2001 or 2002

sure, i've stated many times that i thought the two link outlink rule was ridiculous...pix on html pages doesnt really bother me either, however, trust me on this, its not a winfall by any means..dont think that a few extra banners on a page will increase sales dramatically...

i have to say though, that the no console rule on tours, is a good one and its as much for the gallery submitter as the tgp owner...i know i wouldnt want to pay for a spot and have all the galleries listed above me, loaded with consoles and pops on the tours...There is nothing wrong with exposing a surfer to a clean tour and its fair for every gallery submitter..

I dunno Shemp. I think a tour with consoles makes a surfer do one of two things... either he clicks on something in the console which hopefully leads to a sale, or he frantically tries to find his way back to the safety and security of your site.

I remember this as a surfer back in the CJ days when nothing was friendly... but that didn't stop me from tryng to find my way back to that one site that had the free ViVo vid (that my computer never could play anyway) after making a wrong turn and getting 42 pop ups on my screen! LOL

I also don't thnk most surfers consider blind link trades any different from pop ups. They are equally annoying, yet those same sites will ask for no pop ups on your sponsor.

I agree with this completely. Webmasters differentiate between a pop-up with ads and a pop-up with a TGP in it, I don't think anyone else does...


For that matter I don't think very many people would be complaining about simple pop-ups if it weren't for those that overdo it with multiple chained exit consoles. I do see from my lightspeed stats for instance that the pop-ups generate more traffic to tours than the gallery links do.

thats nowhere near as annoying as trying to close a string of aggressive consoles..if you start impeding the surfers ability to look at other galleries, then the only spot worth buying on a page will be the first one..

Ah, but then we go back to the issue of what is more profitable for a TGP owner, agressively sending signups or selling spots.

You have been big for a while. 2002/2003.... I consider that the fork in the road time for when you could look at how much you were making and either sell spots or sell joins.
This may be too much of a personal question so if you don't want to answer don't worry about it...

...but, we all know traffic quality has gone to shit. So with that in mind, were you making more in 2001 with no spots for sale or in 2005 with spots for sale... or was it equal.

Wait, let me rephrase that because the question as worded is entirely too personal.

Do you think you have to sell spots in 2006 to make the most profit out of a TGP?

I see a big difference between closing one or two pop-ups and having many multiple chained consoles... some of the site tours I've seen are so aggresive with pop-ups it literally has caused all of my browser windows to simultaneously crash, which ends up accomplishing nothing for gaining traffic. Ditto for pop-ups that take over the entire screen/have no close button/etc

bro, im thinking about the gallery submitter.. 75-80% of all my links are from FREE submitters...so any calculations i make for my site, wont apply to those many sites that have a pay to submit system.. the only thing i have done different since 1998, is to offer 25 free partner submitters a chance to get a higher placement on the page, for a fee of 90.00 a month....thats it..

my money is made from banners ads, index, fpa and category page advertising, hard links to paysites and we do sell the top spots on a 30 day booking basis....really not much has changed for Shemp in almost 8 years.

you should start your own system..if its workable, webmasters and surfers will annoint you as the new messiah and i will be back working at Stucky's...part time..

lol, shemp what are you talking about? :1orglaugh

That's pretty admirable Shemp. You are an exception, but definitely not the norm.

On that note, I'm calling it a night.

Thanks everyone for a nice business related thread on GFY! That's like spotting a 5 legged dog now a days. ;)

good discussion, bro :)

youve never been to a Stucky's?
they sell candied walnuts on the side of the highways..
if TGP dies, im going back there to work..

thought maybe you took offense or something there for a moment with the messiah comment... :)

but no I've not heard of Stucky's, I don't think they have them in Ohio

hell ya, the log roll or whatever it is called kicks ass!

Last time I went thru New Mexico driving i bought like 10 of them to bring back.

i had one of the top 5 biggest tgp2's out when the idea was hot years ago and it was my smallest site at the time also tgp2 never got enought traffic to make it worthwile.

I actually knew about TGP2 for years, but as I was about to open my first TGP2 I was one of those who read around here that regular TGP's are the thing and that is what I should do :) now I crave for the days on which TGP2's still had a chance.
too much free porn is killing me today....all of my efforts is for going around this problem and there are ways if you are creative enough, but if all TGP's were dead today and replaced with TGP2 - my wallet would be a lot happier

Why would anyone want to follow a standard format for a website?
That just makes your site like a million others.

Evolve and innovate, man.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...onversions+tgp

the original tgp2 thread

wow, did'nt know it was that old of a thread, I just bumped a 5 year old thread :evil-laug

Shemp, may I ask how are your average ratios nowadays compared to like 4-5 years ago? just curious

bump fo bidnis