Any muslim webmasters here?
 

Any of you guys muslim? If so, how do you feel about all the anti-muslim talk on here?

You must be able to read to use a computer unfortunately.

pretty much all it would take is for a muslim to condemn the burnings and say it's a stupid reaction to a cartoon. the problem is it appears that many if not most muslims agree with what's happening

I am muslim. And I know at least two more who are.

It's mostly uneducated idiots and keyboard warriors who are talking shit. But I don't blame them. They don't know any better :)

I agree some of them are keyboard warriors, but there are some truth in what people are saying about the things happening around the muslim parts of the world.

I agree with you. My mother lives in Cairo and is married to an Egyptian. I have been there 3 times so I have a different perspective then most Americans. I've seen it from their side.

But there is still things I can't understand. Why are there suicide bombers? Why do muslims get mad about the cartoons and then just go burn of countries flags. I don't see how adding to wrongs makes things better. Can you explain maybe a little so I can get a better understanding?

And this makes you a much better person than 99% of the idiots on GFY.

Alright, but how do you feel about the events that are going on right now in Syria and EU? Do you think it's alright to react the way they are reacting? Us non Muslim people don't understand why, nor cannot fathom reacting in this manner. Maybe you can clear it up a bit for us. Thanks.

You have mostly seen this in the middle east. Thera are more muslims just in China than in the whole middle east. But you don't see them burning down anything.

But you have to understand those who are doing this. Everything started from Denmark. Denmark have troops in Iraq and people over there see it as an occupation of their land. Plus they don't really understand that Denmarks government dosen't have anyting to do with the cartoons. You have to remember that newspapers are controled by the governments in the middle east. They simply see it as an provocation by the by the entire Denmark (and Europe).

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Of course it's not allright. But, like I said, they see it as an provocation by the European governments. They don't understand that it's something a newspaper did on they own. They see it as an attack on Islam by the Europe (and USA) simply because newspapers in their countries are controlled by the government. Everything printed in newspapers comes from the government.

Study history: unfortunately it does. The world (or whichever part is relevant in a given context) doesn't wake up one day and say, "Hey, this is a bad situation. Let's put it right." If people who feel they are being wronged do not create circumstances which makes it easier to deal with them than ignore them, nothing will change.

Since terrorism is the current administration's favorite buzz word, it makes for a particularly good example. For years, Israel, the US and others said they would never talk to the PLO, but they ended up recognizing them as the legitimate authority in the West Bank and Gaza. Now many of the same people are showing their electorates how tough they are and claiming they will not talk to Hammas. But if Hammas don't back down, eventually that will change.

There are many other examples, such as the Basque separatists, who didn't get their concessions by being nice people and having a legitimate cause, but with bullets and bombs.

Wouldn't the coran be agaisn't porn in some kind of way ?
mulism is probably the religion where the people are the most active and respect the religion... so I could see why there would be few real mulism webmasters, (ones that do all their prayers every day etc).

Sorry guy there is not more Muslims in China. Most in China are Buddhist. Furthermore, in a communist country religion is forbidden. That's why Buddhism is accepted because it's not a religion but a philosophy. Yes there are more Muslims in Indonesia then all of the Arab Muslims.

So it comes down to Arab Muslims being over-reactionary? Arab Muslims are the only ones taking this way out of control. The Arab Muslim world has protested in the past and burned western country flags all the time. But you don't see the West burning down embassies of the Arab world?

We are all tired of hearing and seeing this shit. Cry me a fucking river about land occupation. You don't think Arabs occupy the West's land when a whole bunch of Arabs move there? There are nearly 14% Arab population in France alone. Isn't that land occupation?

You don't see the French blowing up Arabs because of "land occupation". There are nearly 2 million Arabs "occupying land" in the US. Maybe all the Western countries should do what the Arab world does when someone occupies their land.

The hypocracy must stop!!! It's not okay for anyone to occupy Arab land but Arabs can infest and occupy western land.

Greatly written, i can only think those words, hard for me to type it out

Agreed, I'm not sure about the more Muslims in China than the Middle East comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

"Sources, including the BBC, suggest that there may be as many as 20 million Muslims in China, up to 2% of the country's 1.3 billion population. Other sources suggest Muslims in China number more than 30 million."

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html

Daoist (Taoist), Buddhist, Muslim 1%-2%, Christian 3%-4%
note: officially atheist (2002 est.)

They are citizens of those countries, Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are not citizens of Israel, they live under occupation under Israeli control and is occupied land according to International Law and common sense.

Although you have made up your mind, facts cannot and will not change it.

There are about 200 million muslims in China and about the same in the Middle East.

"occupation - the control of a country by military forces of a foreign power"
Keyword is "military".

You sound like a typical racist to me. What you just said dosen't make any sense.

If they were fundamentalist i guess they wouldnt be adult webmasters

How do they become citizens of those countries? By occupying the land first. Throughout history there was never a Palestian state. NEVER. Jews have lived in that area since 2000 B.C. Far longer than any Palestinian or Muslim. Why? Because Muslim didn't come into existence until 610A.D.

The Ottoman Empire control much of the Arab world including Israel and the West Bank up until WWI. If it wasn't for the British Mandate, the West would control the Arab world. Throughout history it has always been survival of the fittest.

Could you provide a source for that?

From what i've read there are between 20 and 30 million Muslims in China, not 200 million.

I forgive you for being ignorant to history because you probably just graduated high school not too long ago. This is another example of hypocracy in the Arab Muslim world.

Do you remember the Soviet Union having military occupation of Afghanistan in the 80s? Well the US helped drive out the Soviets and when the US left early because they didn't want to "appear" to occupy foreign land with their military. They were blamed for running out too soon and not helping. Thus born Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden was trained by the US military and CIA to drive out the Soviets.

He became angry with the US because the US ran out too soon. Yes his father and family made billions from US contracts for contruction in the middle east. His father continues to make billions a year.

Yet many Arab Muslim countries are allies with Russia (i.e. Iran) even though they occupied Arab Muslim land. Why hate the West for giving the Jews their own country and not Russia? Why the hypocracy?

There are not 200 million Muslims in China. It is known that the most populous Muslim country is Indonesia. This guy doesn't know a rats ass what he's talking about.

READ HERE http://www.aneki.com/muslim.html

http://www.asianews.it/dos.php?l=en&dos=48&art=2956

You have rather proved you are just another ignorant Muslim.

Rank Country Muslim Population
1 Indonesia 182,570,000
2 Pakistan 134,480,000
3 India 121,000,000
4 Bangladesh 114,080,000
5 Turkey 65,510,000
6 Iran 62,430,000
7 Egypt 58,630,000
8 Nigeria 53,000,000
9 Algeria 30,530,000
10 Morocco 28,780,000

http://www.aneki.com/muslim.html

China isn't even listed!!

Furthermore I'm NOT RACIST because Muslim isn't a RACE!!!!

Zionists always bring this up, forgetting International Law and going back to laws of biblical times, yet weren't we talking about your comment that Muslims in the US are occupying land and Palestinians living under Israeli military occupation?

I really don't see how this could be relevant for the discussion we are having.

I was just pointing out that you don't know the definition of the word "occupation".

Yes I remember International Law. As discussed in my other post about the British Mandate. I'm not a Jew. Catholic actually. How can Palestinians live under Israeli military occupation when the state belongs to the Jews? Palestine was NEVER a country.

The Chinese government refuses to disclose the actual number of Muslims residing in China. Estimations vary from the official 20 million to 200 million.

Again, that is not relevant.

You were complaning about "Arabs occupying your land" Arabs and NOT muslims. Your own words. Read what you wrote before making an ass out of yourself.

You don't understand the word occupation. Occupation is occupying a land where you are unwanted. Not occupying a land militarially. Do you think Muslims are wanted in Europe? Why don't you think they want to let Turkey into the EU? 4 countries have voted against the EU constitution in protest of allowing Turkey into the EU.

My question is why is that Muslims want the world to be tolerant of them but they won't be tolerant of the rest of the world.

His father died in 1967 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

There is no point trying to beat sense into you, just like Islamic terrorists and Neo-republicans. You should look into the belief of Greater Israel held by Zionists. Today's Iraqi, Jordanian and Egyptian soil actually belongs to Israel.

I leave the discussion with this to think about, if the land really belongs to Israel, why hasn't the West Bank and Gaza Strip been annexed?

I see you are not an educated man and I really don't have time to point out your ignorance.

I'v got places to be and people to meet.

Just for the fun, here is it again:
"occupation - the control of a country by military forces of a foreign power"
Keyword is "military".

You guys are both kinda right.

donnie - yes the definition of occupation is .... Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.

However, I think pornmonger is trying to use the word occupied in a different style. I think he's point is this ... why is it ok for Arab Muslims to come to the US and occupy it as a resident and not abide by our ways. When if we were to move to an Arab Nation, we would have to follow their laws or risk death.

I don't know anyone that has burned an Arab flag and I don't see Denmark, or the English or the US having residents in Arab countries burning Arab flags. And I've never heard of an American walking into an Arab school and blowing himself and everyone else to dust.

This is rough .... there are a lot of bad Arab Muslims and they live in other countries that have the majority of the population not wanting them there.

This is the start of WW III.

If you are kinda open minded that statement may very possible be the result of an escalation since 11 sep, among lots of other incidents

I am pretty sure they are not above the law in any country they reside in. In USA they have to folow your laws or risk death. If they kill somebody they will face death sentence.

No I haven't seen anyone in Denmark burning flags (alltough I have heard some idiots have been burning Qurans). The point is, you can't really use some idiots as your OWN moral measurement. You have to show you are more civilised. You don't have to burn flags just beacuse some idiots are doing it.

When it comes to blowing up school, I am 100% sure USA have killed more muslim children then other way around. But that is whole other discussion.

You seem like a smart guy and I respect your opinion. I wan't argue with you.

I wasn't referring to murder in each country ... I was referring to things like if I go to certain Arab countries and practive Jewdism or Catholicism, I risk death. If a Muslim is in the States and wants to practice Islam, then he or she are welcome to do what they want. Thats called Freedom.

And I realize in war the US has killed women and children. Its not right, but thats during war. Its not the same as strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing up a school on purpose.

This whole thing is very tough for me since my mother married an Egyptian Muslim after my parents got divorced 15 years ago. She has been living in Cairo for 12+ years and I have been there 3 times. I have talked to him about this, his friends and other muslims. Most of what they say is around oil and I can understand that but none of them have a good answer as to why so may muslim retaliate with such extreme measures.

I'm not saying all muslims are this way, my step father isn't and I love him but there are a lot of radical muslims that hate the Western world and EU.

I wonder whether the majority of the population in some Arab countries get to know the "truth". Considering that media are quite censored etc. I think the people just react at what their leaders say.

Simply: Because they don't get to know all the facts they can't make a correct decision.



What am I talking about? :helpme

Correction, there have been NO, as in ZERO, NADA burnings of Qurans, flags etc. by Danes... But the danish people will not forget who burned their flags, embassies, and threaten their lives!

Western tourists and those living in Arab countries get kidnapped, killed and slaughtered all the time. You don't see Arabs or Muslims get kidnapped or killed in the West. Westerners can't even "occupy" or live peacefully in the middle east.

Out of the world's 3 major religions, only Islam is archaic and not progressive. Only Islam has jihads and fight and kill in the name of God. Christianity's crusad ended in 1291. If Christians were still killing in the name of God as does Islam, there wouldn't be Islam.

I wanted to become more knowledgeable about Islam so I just read a short history book on Islam. Since its inception since 610 AD, Arab Muslims have been fighting non stop amongst themselves and the West.

Also notice that western countries where the population of Arab Muslims are non existent or very small there are not terror attacks (i.e. Japan, Switzerland, Austria, Brussels).

And you wonder why the caricature was drawn? You don't see terror attacks under praise of Jesus, Moses, Buddha or any other God but Allah. Whether Islam condones it or not, it perpetuates it.

Muslims and Arabs have created the hate towards them from many in the world even outside of the West.

Again you are showing how ignorant you are.

Look up the name "Shoko Asahara" or the "Supreme Truth".

As for "Brussels", I have no idea what that could be. Are you talking about the capital city of Belgium?

Give it up man! Stop making idiotic posts.

Simple mistake but you know what I meant jackass.

You assume that someone burned the Quran. Noone did.
It was a rumour which got spread by sms, and noone have ever questioned whether the information is true or not.

This pattern has been shown all through this caricature-crisis. That huge crowds go berzerk over information which someone yells.

A: Someone said they are burning Qurans!

B: Really? How could they do it this to our beloved Allah?!

All screaming: We must punish the offenders and show them how angry we are. "Allah Akhbar", "Death to infidels/Zionist" etc


The most sad part is that it seems as if it is an internal competition amongst Muslims to show who is most angry. Because all want to convience that they are the most orthodox among all the other Muslims.

"I must show them that I am a better Muslim than they are, so I must exaggerate my anger"

This crowd psychosis is really scary in some way - when the individual shuts off his brain and goes into sheep-mode / riot psychosis.

If this hysteria didn't occur then these people would not act on rumours and false information given by the imams.
Yes, there the Danish imams started all this rage by misleading the entire Muslim World, and everyone beleived it. :warning


And because of this false rumour that a Quran should had been burned then angry Syrians destroyed the embassies of four countries, and also tried to invade the French embassade.

Four embassies where destroyed as a revenge for a false rumour

That's very sick. :mad:


And we have not heard one single apology from the Muslim World yet.
Some forces are trying to start a war - this is not good. :(


If I am not mistaken then tomorrow there will be another lame excuse to riot and burn more flags etc because of the competiting amongst Muslims on who is the best Muslim. :2 cents:

That lives in Sweden. What a surprise. :1orglaugh
Get your complimentary passport yet?

Your own kind would murder you in a heart beat and being a pornographer is the worst of all.

You are not truly Muslim, nor should you try and call yourself one.

It seems to me this is a huge part of the problem.

Donnie, would a typical Muslim agree that a theocracy is inherently worse than a democratic republic in terms of freedoms and progress? History shows us that the Arab world was on par with the West and China several hundred years ago, but ever since Islam became the end all be all, progress stopped, and the culture regressed. It would seem like we're at a point where even if the economic injustices against the Arab world were rectified, there would still be a problem of co-existing with the West because religious fundamentalism has a strong hold. It seems to me this fundamentalism should be eradicated. It's impossible to live in a scientific, practical world if you're using a literal interpretations from a religious book as your guide.

just to add:

From what I've read, one can't express opposing religious views in the Middle East without fear of being killed. Women are still treated as chatel. A culture without the freedoms and equality that we enjoy in the West is backwards. Would you agree? Muslims go to live in Western nations to enjoy these very freedoms that are denied to them in their homelands.

i notice you don't denounce their behavior

until you do you're as bad as the c'unts burning down embassies

Donnie would end up like one of these 15 men with a quickness if he were not on US or EU soil.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/...ap2500470.html

These people kill each other easily enough over nothing but a matter of religeon. Shiite, Sunni what the fuck ever, this religeon kills thier own without regard.

the ratio went up actually 99.05634% are idiots :winkwink:

Yet many Arab Muslim countries are allies with Russia (i.e. Iran) even though they occupied Arab Muslim land. Why hate the West for giving the Jews their own country and not Russia? Why the hypocracy?


**** and what about black musims? the muslims ran the slave trade . . sorta created the trade to america in fact . . . it wasn't 'blue eyes' sneaking around at night in the jungle . .