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milambur 01-20-2006 07:22 AM

Sex.com only worth $14M?
 
I really thought that domain would be worth alot more, don't get why he sold it for $14M, if that is all he got. What do you guys think?

Gunni 01-20-2006 07:26 AM

I would've thought it was worth more

djroof 01-20-2006 07:29 AM

nice price...

polish_aristocrat 01-20-2006 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur
I really thought that domain would be worth alot more, don't get why he sold it for $14M, if that is all he got. What do you guys think?

are you another guy claiming a million is nothing and that the new owners will make it back in 6 months, lol ?

EroticySteve 01-20-2006 07:32 AM

I was amazed that it sold for that much. I say congratulations to Kremen.

I personally don't buy into a domain having value in and of itself. Sure, I understand the value of a good domain for brand recognition and type in/natural traffic but come on.

Again, congrats to Kremen. Take the money and enjoy it, it's been a long, hard uphill battle for him for quite a few years.

woj 01-20-2006 07:33 AM

first 2 replies are great :1orglaugh
anyway, congrats to all the winners :thumbsup

Alphonso 01-20-2006 07:34 AM

14 million is fair price

fraggle 01-20-2006 07:38 AM

guess its worth what you think you can make form it

id be happy having gotten 14 for a domain name for sure

milambur 01-20-2006 07:50 AM

Basic Example:
$2M Down
$12M at 5%

Intrest = $600K

if you are able to pull in $2K a day that equals $730K a year

So roughly $130K return a year

130K/2M = 0.065

ROI 6.5%

And that is only on $2K a day, if I was unable to pull in $2K a day with that domain I would shoot myself.

slapass 01-20-2006 08:21 AM

70k typeins a day plus 30k se traffic a day. These are just estiamtes but gives us a nice 100k a day of clean traffic. 10% CTR to something at an average of .10/click is $1000 per day. I do not think he bought the traffic business as that is being run seperate.

Those who have bought traffic there know I am being generous. I just hope the traffic numbers I have heard are way off the mark and he is getting tons more. The past models seem unlikely to have caused lots of bookmarking but he has huge name recognition and word of mouth going.

woj 01-20-2006 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur
Basic Example:
$2M Down
$12M at 5%

Intrest = $600K

if you are able to pull in $2K a day that equals $730K a year

So roughly $130K return a year

130K/2M = 0.065

ROI 6.5%

And that is only on $2K a day, if I was unable to pull in $2K a day with that domain I would shoot myself.

One minor detail is, who will lend money at 5% to buy a domain?
Another minor detail is, who will lend 12 Million for a virtual asset, when the buyer is putting up less than 20% of his own money.

vod 01-20-2006 08:34 AM

I say congratulations to Kremen, but I would have held out for 22 million ;-) with better terms..

take the money and run...

sex.com before Gary was doing 1 million a day from ads. then Gary re-aquired his sex.com and turned it into a pay per click search engine. something that never should have been done.

advertising sells for more then .05 cost per click. it takes alot of traffic to make your money back on a cpc...

good luck to the new ownership ;-)

milambur 01-20-2006 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj
One minor detail is, who will lend money at 5% to buy a domain?
Another minor detail is, who will lend 12 Million for a virtual asset, when the buyer is putting up less than 20% of his own money.

ALOT of banks would lend me that money in a heartbeat if I put down $2M.

polish_aristocrat 01-20-2006 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
70k typeins a day plus 30k se traffic a day. These are just estiamtes but gives us a nice 100k a day of clean traffic. 10% CTR to something at an average of .10/click is $1000 per day. I do not think he bought the traffic business as that is being run seperate.

Those who have bought traffic there know I am being generous. I just hope the traffic numbers I have heard are way off the mark and he is getting tons more. The past models seem unlikely to have caused lots of bookmarking but he has huge name recognition and word of mouth going.

IMO they are getting more traffic and could easily get a better CTR and should make indeed a few $k per day with not much problems.

But not $40k per day as Nysus claimed in another thread lol

anyway, we can just speculate, I don't even know who that company is that acquired this domain

14 millions sounds nice, its just a domain, so it can't be bought for 12 years income like real estate...

and i also wasnt thinking they got a loan for it

Gottis 01-20-2006 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
are you another guy claiming a million is nothing and that the new owners will make it back in 6 months, lol ?

are you kidding, look at the new site - they will make it back in ONE MONTH :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Daruma 01-20-2006 08:46 AM

14 mil now is good... 2 years ago maybe 20 or 25 mil

milambur 01-20-2006 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
IMO they are getting more traffic and could easily get a better CTR and should make indeed a few $k per day with not much problems.

But not $40k per day as Nysus claimed in another thread lol

anyway, we can just speculate, I don't even know who that company is that acquired this domain

14 millions sounds nice, its just a domain, so it can't be bought for 12 years income like real estate...

and i also wasnt thinking they got a loan for it

$40K a day will probably need some serious work. If you have a good model then $10K a day after a year might be quite possible without too much work. $10K a day give an ROI of 150% in my previous calculation.....

Now as for domains not being bought as real estate, why not?

Not getting a loan would make them really bad investors.

DirtyProfits 01-20-2006 09:06 AM

Sex.com ppc traffic has always sucked for me in the past so I think $14 million is just a good price.
The domain has such a HUGE potential to be successful. If I'd own it I would try some kind of video mega site like VideosZ and with enough advertising it will do very well.

Bama 01-20-2006 10:13 AM

Sex.com was most profitable when it was just a banner farm and receiving most of it's traffic from the 270K type-ins/day

10K-50K per banner (buttons were the cheapest to buy) per month and you guys remember how many banners were on the page!

axelcat 01-20-2006 11:13 AM

I think it's worth more

chipmunk 01-20-2006 11:21 AM

Bottom line is....
the new owner and Gary got what they each wanted! It was a nice deal all around!
Best of luck to both parties involved...

-=Chipmunk=-

kmanrox 01-20-2006 11:22 AM

id let him fuck my ass for 14 mil





hahaha just kidding u know i'd do it for free!

DaddyHalbucks 01-20-2006 11:31 AM

I think it was a good buy at $14 million.

shuki 01-20-2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur
ALOT of banks would lend me that money in a heartbeat if I put down $2M.

If you can point me in the direction of these banks I would love to talk to them. I can easily put down 20% if they can finance the rest I am all ears.

The domains I want don't even add up to $5million so.......

RayBonga 01-20-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj
One minor detail is, who will lend money at 5% to buy a domain?
Another minor detail is, who will lend 12 Million for a virtual asset, when the buyer is putting up less than 20% of his own money.

Exactly my though and anyway 6,5% a year is a shitty return for such a risky investment.

shuki 01-20-2006 11:45 AM

Any money lenders in here?

I can pay up to 30% on your money and you have my domains as collateral.

polish_aristocrat 01-21-2006 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur
Now as for domains not being bought as real estate, why not?

IMO domains are definitely more risky than real estate

gangbangjoe 01-21-2006 09:28 AM

lol

tell me why i would need more money in live then 14million dollars ?



i would put 12 on the bank, invest 1 and spend one for my fun...

the kids of my kids kids could still live from the money

TheDoc 01-21-2006 09:30 AM

It's sad it only went for $14 million. Sad knowing that in the hands of the correct person it's going to be worth tons more, but while in the hands of an ...... well it didn't do so good.

sfera 01-21-2006 09:34 AM

id of sold it for that and retired :)

DamageX 01-21-2006 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vod
I say congratulations to Kremen, but I would have held out for 22 million ;-) with better terms..

take the money and run...

sex.com before Gary was doing 1 million a day from ads. then Gary re-aquired his sex.com and turned it into a pay per click search engine. something that never should have been done.

advertising sells for more then .05 cost per click. it takes alot of traffic to make your money back on a cpc...

good luck to the new ownership ;-)

Kremen definitely ran that domain into the ground. The smartest move he ever did was selling it for $14M.

Validus 01-21-2006 09:36 AM

Great domain... I would have thought it would be worth more as well...

maxjohan 01-21-2006 09:41 AM

Hmmm.. the value of Sex.com will def. go up in value... but I still think Gary did a great sell...

If I owned sex.com I had made it a ringtones site... something like "Sexy ringtones and logos at Sex.com".

It had been a viral marketing machine by it self without work.

Gary wasn't the smartest marketing guy :2 cents:

BSleazy 01-21-2006 09:42 AM

Whoever runs thebestporn.com is gonna make a fortune.

polish_aristocrat 01-21-2006 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxjohan

If I owned sex.com I had made it a ringtones site...

:1orglaugh

slapass 01-21-2006 10:49 AM

well now we know what they are making per day and it looks a lot better purchase wise.

milambur 01-21-2006 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuki
If you can point me in the direction of these banks I would love to talk to them. I can easily put down 20% if they can finance the rest I am all ears.

The domains I want don't even add up to $5million so.......

If you have a solid biz system and a proven track record any bank will lend you that money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayBonga
Exactly my though and anyway 6,5% a year is a shitty return for such a risky investment.

6.5% is shitty, but it is the lowest I figured I would make without any real work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
IMO domains are definitely more risky than real estate

Yes, that is why you get a higher return, but it is the same principles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gangbangjoe
lol
tell me why i would need more money in live then 14million dollars ?
i would put 12 on the bank, invest 1 and spend one for my fun...
the kids of my kids kids could still live from the money

Depends on ones goals in life I guess, but for me $14M is not enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxjohan
If I owned sex.com I had made it a ringtones site... something like "Sexy ringtones and logos at Sex.com".

Jag hoppas att du skämtar.

Violetta 01-21-2006 11:47 AM

If I'd get 14 mill for it, I'd sell! Leave the biz and move to bahamas!

detoxed 01-21-2006 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxjohan
Hmmm.. the value of Sex.com will def. go up in value... but I still think Gary did a great sell...

If I owned sex.com I had made it a ringtones site... something like "Sexy ringtones and logos at Sex.com".

It had been a viral marketing machine by it self without work.

Gary wasn't the smartest marketing guy :2 cents:


yep.. and if i owned mortgage.com i'd turn it into a ringtone site!


"funniest mortgage ringtones ever at mortgage.com"


perfect marketing

microdotman 01-22-2006 08:00 PM

worth a lot more
 
You guys are too focused on the short term traffic and cash flow. The play here is that this is and will remain the worlds number one adult Internet brand. And if you see the site text the new business model is exposed which Im sure will be rather profitable once complete.

So this site will end up worth an incredible mint, irrespective of the fact that the domain itself was a bargain, if you can even believe the reports at all which I doubt.


Then one day after massive dollars are turned the site will be resold and the owners take the capital gain.

Walla

tony286 01-22-2006 08:07 PM

i think he was smart the tide is changing.


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