Yahoo took my hard worked SEO and sold it to an affiliate
 

Search:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bra...v1-&fl=0&x=wrt

Notice the root domain @ #1. That was planned.

Then click it:
http://tour.brazilbang.com/?nats=MjI0NzoxMDoxMw

The spot was sold to an affiliate for what should be a root #1.

Yahoo sucks balls.

Viva google.

Yahoo sends over 2000 hits to teeniepalace.com every day. Google about 1/10th that. VIVA YAHOO.

So, optimize better for Google?

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=brazil+bang

Did that. Just google didn't sell the spot.

I guess that's a solid testimonial for http://www.wildlinecorp.com/ then ?

Contact the affiliate talk to him and tell him nicely that you won't pay for that traffic. I'm sure you've already considered or done this, but I do agree yahoo selling 'free' spots is fucked up. But shouldn't be a major problem for you.

The least they could've done is put a sponsored link above and leave the free listing intact. I agree with Chief, contact the affiliate and let him/her know those signups won't be paid for.

Nah, I'm fine with wildlinecorp.com getting it. They are a good affiliate.

I SEO'ed those sites myself, so we could get the #1 when you search for one of our sites. Wildline had nothing to do with that. Yahoo selling the #1 spots to affiliates is a very fucked up practice though.

Let's hope that Google doesn't go the same route Yahoo has gone with selling free spots.

Why the fuck shouldent he be paid?
You guys are amazingly stupid sometimes.

remind me of this thread if Chief or Damagex ever start a program.

jay i wasn't directing that google optimization thing to you, but to the other guy who mentioned getting 10x traffic from yahoo over google. anyone getting that much MORE traffic from yahoo than google needs to work on their google seo.

I don't know, maybe for the same ebay will term you if as an affiliate you promote them on adwords using keywords such as 'ebay'. Now imagine how ebay would feel if their free position that they earnt over the years was being sold to an affiliate. I understand Jay's opinion, if wildline is a good affiliate for him it might be in his benefit to just let them have it, but that's for him to decide.

I've made plenty of money off paysite name traffic. Thing is...I never bought up my competitors natural listings.

If they were sending to another site I would really be pissed. I'm sure Yahoo has terms about doing that.

indeed.. someone should start a site that maintains a list of posts that cause gfy'ers to be blacklisted from sending traffic to. chief and damagex's posts definitely qualify.

For the record I'd pay him for what he had sent so far, but I'd ask him to stop sending from that position.

That would be bad business, dont fuck with productive affiliates amen.

If you read up you'll see I said:

"I understand Jay's opinion, if wildline is a good affiliate for him it might be in his benefit to just let them have it, but that's for him to decide."

I'm not an idiot either, I wouldn't mess with a good affiliate over something like that.

The only thing that they are really getting is 50% of listings that I should have been getting 100% of. They had nothing to do with the positioning of the domains that I am aware of. In fact, I sacrificed a lot of links to my paysites with no aff code to get these to #1. Now Yahoo sells out half of my hard work?

I don't fault wildline for taking advantage of this. I fault Yahoo for being greedy scumbags.

I will.
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Good to see that you're pissed at the right person/people/company.


I really believe this whole move is going to backfire on Yahoo.

what makes you think yahoo "sold it". if they did, how do you go about buying the listings? it isnt an overture listing is it?

what do you think about the adwords at on top of your google listing that they sold?

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I can't believe the ones defending the affiliate. Did Yahoo step in it? Yes. However, if the affiliate is aware of this, he's basically buying stolen goods.

yahoo is doing that for some time now
they index is not just algo driven
jay
I sent you a nice url about this via ICQ :)

The affiliate is buying ad spots offered... nothing more nothing less.

There is NOTHING preventing Jay from buying them back if it's cost effective and he so desires.

How come it doesn't indicate that it's a sponsored listing ? How does Yahoo "sell" the #1 spot like that in free listings ? If it's not SEO, and it's sold.. where do you buy them ?

It is activity like this that prevents others from becoming GOOD affiliates... no wonder it is harder to make money now than 10 years ago, you cocksmokers ego's are through the fucking roof.

Get a grip on yourself.

I don't care who, how, or why this happened but it does not justify asking an affiliate to stop using the methods or threaten with non-payment.

Sadly it is back to the drawing board for Jay, live and learn.

But you Chief, and that other fuck, better revise your business plans.

You sir are 100% fucking retarded. Jay owns the site in question, what if an affiliate was the one with a top listing?

Would I buy ads on something like this, sure! I'd also expect some people to not pay my ass considering how shitty of a traffic method it is.

Just tell Yahoo to pull your sites. If you don't like their business practices, why do business with them?

Yahoo dosen't 'OWE' you anything, nor should it be expected.

Bad move not to pay an affiliate like that.
Word will spread like wildfire, and I'm sure many people will simply stay away from that sponsor.

And please... stolen goods? It's Yahoo's traffic, they can send it and manipulate it in any way they see fit.

Congrats XXXJay!
You started 560000th GFY thread!

edit: Nevermind

it happens to everyone i guess. its happened to us. bought results put money in yahoo pocket.

Paid listings getting above "normal" listings is something we know about very well in this industry. Yahoo does it too..

Holy shit? What's the price for a paid listing? Do they have to pay per click after that as well or is it a fixed price?

stupid question

i thought wildline only does paid campaigns? i.e. a sponsor pays wildline $5k and they send 20k uniques through paid spots like that on yahoo.

Stupid answer.

I started a thread on this topic on SEOChat - did some research and it seems that Yahoo is NOT selling spots in their SERPs, but rather wildlinecorp is using their site submission program and getting the top spot.

google does the same from time to time.. I have have a couple of nice number 1's that that has had the same thing happen to me before. Can't really complain, because after all the traffic is free.

Hey btw speaking of yahoo.. what the hell do I have to do to get my number one spot back? Back when they used google's listings I have number one's on both.

However when they changed up to using their own.. stuff got all 'F'ed up.. my listing was still number one however if you clicked the link it went to someone else's site. Soon after I was gone, I assumed I got banned, which is BS..

I sent countless e-mails with no replies.. finally a year or so latter I start pulling in hit's from search.yahoo again, but nothing like before.

I can't seem to get the site back up to the top like it was before.. Even for it's own domain name other sites take my spot on yahoo and I'm nowhere to be found. Yet the sites listed are normally listed because I'm trading with them.

Top this off with I have continued to still pull my dir.yahoo traffic with no issues at all..

So WTF is up with yahoo..

Sounds right, thanks :)

i started a thread about this last month when i noticed it..

and contrary to whats been posted, the way this service works they are indeed selling that spot right out from the site owner , and even worse , many times they are selling a directory listing already paid..

example.. i own www.widgets.com , i buy a directory listing on yahoo for $200, i build my site for 5 years optimizing the keywords "widgets", finally obtaining #1 listing. then yahoo sells my link to wildline who sells it to the highest bidder.. before i got "xxxx" free hits from yahoo , now i pay 15% cut for every hit from yahoo

From the way wildline is setup though , they say they dont sell spots to affiliates , only to owners..

seems rather silly though because any owner buying hits through them is actually buying spots they already own ( or at least thats how i see it , i could be wrong)

heres what i snagged from seochat.

looks like this is what kevsh found.

Web Results may also include links to sites that participate in the Content Acquisition Program (CAP). CAP enables content providers to submit web content directly to Yahoo! for review and inclusion in the Yahoo! Search index; content providers that participate in CAP through the Search Submit program pay for these services. Participation in CAP or Site Match does not guarantee placement or ranking in search results but additional information made available through the direct data feeds may increase or decrease relevance depending on the search query.

I didn't think they sold spots in the normal listings

how come some people say google traffic is better?
do google users have more money? Do google users spend more?

Is google for men & yahoo is for women when it comes to porn.

What about traffic from msn. I got a boatload of #1 to #5 listings on msn, & those same keywords I am ranked on google at like #28 to #100 or something like that. Sure google would send more than msn, but what about quality?? Would a google user pay & not an msn user??? I find that most of my targeted traffic comes from yahoo & msn, & most of my freeloaders & wankers come from google.

On most of my non google SE traffic, they are searching general porn keyword strings. On google they are searching solo girls using the models name and the word free. I'd rather get the other traffic. The google ones looking up the solo girls are just looking for more FREE !!!!

But that's only applicable to some of my sites because of the content & keywords I have.

I hate to say it but yahoo does NOT sell those spots. It's luck of the draw!

I accidentally ended up with a top spot for a search term on yahoo with my affiliate code in it for a sponsor above their site. I didn't pay for it. Hell, I couldn't afford to pay for it anyway! I'm just a small fry. It lasted a month, it switched around, and then it came back to me again. It seems to do this in cycles.

I do not know what caused the yahoo bot to choose my link affiliate code to the site as I am nowhere NEAR an SEO Guru. It was complete luck. I'm betting yahoo would want thousands of dollars for a spot like that, which I don't have

You are mistaken

They may, but how do you explain my situation? A total fluke? I don't know how it happened

Wrong. :error