Government giving Chris Wilson an Assfucking...Are you next?
 

Chris Wilson is being screwed by the government because they didn?t like the photos on his website NowThatsFuckedUp.com of dead US soldiers. The erotic content on his site was plain-jane/joe stuff that over 90% of the sites in the USA contain. And, to make the matters worse, they want to revoke his bond because he didn?t take down the erotic content on his site after he was busted citing probable cause that he has continued to operate an ?obscene website?. There is just one rub: The website has never been found to be obscene.

This seems to me to be a new form of speech: Presumptive Obscenity. Under current law, as I understand it, a message can not be inferred to be obscene until there has been an adversarial hearing before a judge. And, the hearing for Chris hasn?t happened.

If Chris? bond is revoked tomorrow and he is returned to jail, that means the government has accused him of obscenity for displaying ordinary content, revoked his bond and remanded him into custody pending his trial date without ever having a hearing to determine if the content on the site is, in fact, obscene. Chilling??as this could happen to you too.

Basically, they can show up at your door, take your equipment and records, put you in jail until you come to trial and never have a hearing in front of a judge that your content is obscene. We are talking about months in jail.

What is wrong with this??

This is the most flagrant violation of a webmaster?s First Amendment rights that I have seen; and, I?ve seen a lot. Wake up, GFY. Your collective asses are on the line with Chris? ass.

Chris, his friends and family have set up a new site called FreeChris.org in order to inform the public with how the trial is progressing and solicit support for the legal effort. Take a moment out of your busy day, visit the site, and educate yourselves on this groundbreaking case. If you can send Chris some financial help, he would be grateful as he and his family are pretty tapped out after spending over $100,000 so far in fees and bonds. This is the season of caring and I?m sending Chris a check for $500 today. I hope other webmasters and site owner will realize the importance of winning this case and help Chris as well.

I went to FreeChris.org and donated $500 using paypal. Very easy.

For more information on Chris's case, read the AVN Online article at "Wilson Faces Bond Revocation"

Watch this space.

Concerted support effort in evaluation.

In the end he will be rich and famous like Larry Flynt (if he is lucky) and dont get gunned down.

Bumpty bump.

Redrob, would you care to tell ALL of the story?

Alex

I don't live in Polk County, so I'd venture to guess I'll be ok for the time being.

to late for sig spot ?

I think there are many troubling aspects to the case, particularly the selective enforcement applied to a politically-controversial site when millions of similarly "obscene" sites are never touched, and the "probable cause" determination itself.

But the details of his current bond revocation do not paint a sympathetic picture to me. At his arrest, the defendant was aware the judge felt the content of his site was probably illegal. Upon release, he was told to refrain from further illegal activity. After release, he continued to add more content which the judge would consider similarly illegal. If the judge revokes his bond, it shouldn't be surprising. He was released based on certain conditions which he violated. (Based on cursory press accounts I've seen, anyway).

Instead of inciting a " there must be more to it then that " reaction, why don't you post ( with proof ) what more there is to the story.

I really would like to know before I decide to donate ..

Isn't this the guy that was trading porn for gruesome pics from Afghanistan and Iraq and posting them on his site? Is that the rest of the story?

That and he lives in a County that has a history of running adult businesses out of town.

All this are known facts from day one ...

What else is there to this story, as claimed by RawAlex....

I really don?t care if Chris? website was controversial. I wouldn?t choose to see pictures of wounded GIs as I was a GI and it is still a little to close for comfort. However, I will defend his right to do so until such time as the materials on the site are found to be obscene?.. and, that is the rub.

Without the pre-trial adversarial hearing that I mentioned in my previous post, the judge?s instructions are just another prior restraint on Chris? First Amendment rights. For the judge to tell Chris to stop expressing his opinion without the hearing to declare that the materials on the website are probably obscene is just plain un-American.

Using that same logic, any judge could tell the sheriff to arrest any webmaster seizing his content and equipment, revoke his bond if he is given one, and place him in jail pending his trial without ever determining that there is an inference of obscenity just because he doesn?t like you, your website or you said something politically unpopular to the Administration.

That, to me, is the story.

Even if you can only donate $7.00, the price of a six-pack, your contribution will help stop the setting of a precedent that is surely being watched by the evil forces of censorship and oppression (DOJ and Christo-Naziis).

It's important to keep in mind that it's not the Feds after him, it's Local Authorities.

Do you have local authorities? You sure do...

I'd hate to see them treat you that way.

Maybe it will come out in the trial who instigated the complaint....it will be interesting.

We all have local authorities but you dont operate your business in a place where they are very proud of running over 100 adult businesses out of the county. One of the few places that went after some little solo girl site.If you go to the local paper there thats all they talk about and it all says we dont want porn here. I feel bad for Chris and I wish him all the best but if he was in tampa this would a nonissue. I know you should be able to live whereever you want but in the real world it doesnt work that way. Some places are more porn friendly then others so thats where you move.

To the best of my knowledge a judge can put conditions on a "bond" and has wide descretion in doing so...and a violation of these conditions can result in revocation of the bond.

Yes...it is called "community standards"...and it is legal to enact community standards. That is why there exists...local...county...state...and federal law.

I "claim" nothing until this point.

Recently on another board, a BSDM girl came in and complained about a police raid at her dungeon. She didn't mention a few little "facts", like her dungeon was in a residential neighborhood, and less than 1000 feet from a church or school.

Leaving off important facts (such minor things as potentially disobeying an order from a judge, using images without 2257 documents, perhaps trading porn access in return for shot up soldier pictures) is a bad way to present a situation. The initial post suggests that Chris is just some guy sitting a home, the police bust in and lock him up and throw away the key. The reality is much, much different, and requires a much more in depth look at the situation to truly appreciate all that is going on (and I don't even suggest for a minute that I understand all the undertones here).

Polk County. If you are in the adult business in Florida and don't know about Polk County, then you need to learn some history.

http://avnonline.com/index.php?Prima...tent_ID=250090

First off, very important: This is a "user posted image" situation. Anyone want to bet what the 2257 status was of those images?

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=247531

Community standards is an issue. Publish from Polk County, which has apparently the most restrictive community standards, and you might have to live up to it. That the lawyer was using the dismissal of the Extreme Associates case as an example is not helping anymore, considering that prosecution has been restarted after a court ruling.

Chris did some things that brought attention (and not good attention) to his site. It didn't take long after that for the Polk County people to jump on him and take him down. Legal? Consitutional? Doesn't really matter for Chris, who could spend the next two years sitting in jail waiting for a court date (could any of us afford to have a lawyer handle 301 seperate bail hearings, arrange 301 seperate bonds? I have a feeling that the authorities are piling it on, rather than allowing 1 arraignment, they appear to have arraigned him on each charge one after another, which forces the justice system to assign bail to each charge, and require a bond for each charge. I am thinking that someone pisses someone else off).

At the end of the day, telling only half the story is a disservice to Chris and to the adult community as a whole. You can learn a bunch from looking at what he was doing and understanding how he ended up under the wheels of justice.

Alex

You are missing the point:

The content has not even been in front of the judge in the adversarial hearing to determine if it has violated the community standards and could be deemed to be obscene. The community standards have not come into play in this case as of yet; and, Chris is being cheated of his adversarial hearing and returned to jail. Only after the adversarial hearing would obscenity and community standards enter as factors in the case?..as I understand the proper procedures.

Why do you hate America?

To sum it up, I believe that Chris is being denied "due process" in that the correct order of events for an obscenity trial are not being followed. The consequence of which is that Chris is being denied his First Amendment rights as the judge's actions constitute a "prior restraint" without the required adversarial hearing.

redrob, if you drop your pants, grease up your asshole and stick your butt in the air, don't be surprised when someone comes along and fucks you up the ass.

The Polk County people appear to be using the most extreme letter of the law to give him a nice solid shafting... Judges issue all sorts of orders (no drinking, no drug, no weapons) to people put on bail all the time. Does that limit their 1st amendment rights? Probably a little. But the power is there.

It would have been one thing if Chris has followed the judges orders, or at least not added new material. But it would appear that he not only ignored the judge, but may have actually gone specifically against it. Again, it sounds like a self lubricated ass to me.

Alex

Redrob, you don't have to be found guilty of drunk driving in most states for the police to seize your car and put it in impound. Drug dealers cannot stand on the street corner and continue to sell drugs while waiting for trial on drug possession (although some do, and they usually end up getting locked up pending trial). The material in question is "in question", and a judge is quite normally within bounds to say "stop distributing it until we can determine the legality". They didn't rule of the legality of it, but as there is doubt, the judge has asked him to err on the side of caution.

Chris chose not do to that.

What can I say?

Let's think of this in terms of CP or snuff films. Would you permit a website to continue to distribute these materials after they have been arrested because the case hasn't been judged yet? Think very carefully of what it is you are wishing happens in Chris's case, because you can easily replace the term "obscene" with "CP" or "snuff" or "whatever" and get the exact same result.

If Chris didn't agree with the Judge's order, it is his turn to go to a higher court and ask for that order to be overruled or removed. Just keeping going regardless is like playing in traffic.

Alex

oh well, he played with fire

It seems to me that a lot of people have lost waht is supposed to go on in a court room. This is not about what the Judge " THINKS " this is about what the " LAW " proves is illegal. The Judges Opinion is not supposed to have any effect on the case. But it does not seem to work that way any more. This person is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Which means that the materials on the site are legal, until PROVEN illegal. Not illegal, becuase the Judge " THINKS " they might be!

You got it pornguy, and Chris is entitled to his hearing.

By the way, I have never met or spoken to Chris Wilson; nor, have I spoken to his attorney regarding this matter.

I would speak out the same way for any webmaster whose rights are being trampled; and, I hope somebody would do the same for me if I was in the same situation.

I usually take every opportunity to take shots at theking, but I think he's just pretty much stating fact there. Nothing more...

pornguy, I think you are missing the bigger point here.

If an item is thought to be illegal, it can be seized and held pending judgement. The judge did not tell Chris to shut off his site or to stop his business, just to remove PENDING JUDGEMENT articles which are subject of the obscenity charges.

If you shoot someone, your weapon will be seized and held pending judgement.

if you run someone over while driving your car, it will be seized and often held pending judgement.

Drug dealer is arrested for selling drugs. The drugs are seized and held pending judgement (hey, they could be just sugar!).

Chris should have considered himself lucky that the original arrest didn't include seizure of his computers, servers, and potentially even the domain name (all used in the alledge crime of distribution of obscenity). That would have all been well within the powers of the courts to do PENDING JUDGEMENT.

He should also consider himself lucky that the courts didn't order that his business be seized and an administrator appointed by the court of oversee it.

He made his choices... they didn't just raid him and lock him up. He got out, and pissed the legal system off. They have ways of dealing with wise asses.

Alex

Unfortunately, I think that just about sums it all up right there. :(

Whether Chris is dumb as a hammer and pisses everybody off in Florida...

HE STILL HAS RIGHTS!

If Mr Pheer was in jail, how many people would donate?

Hope I made my point.

Good luck Chris.

I wonder why the FSC has not moved to help Chris.

No Lawyers on Planes to Florida to defend em, No Support from FSC, No Support from ACLU.

Thats the real crime.

Oh wait I know why.

No money in it. This is why I question the current "Trade Organizations" when real shit happens to one of us they hide. For all the galavanting they do, talking about being representative of our rights, the Lobbying in government etc...


Fucken weak.

Hey maybe throw down another fund raiser and say the end is near for adult and bleed some more people while letting those targeted by the oppressive perish in prison.

I would donate if I could but I doubt design work or content will really help em at this point. Sad truth is he does not have any money to defend himself and thats whats wrong with this country. If Chris had money the story would be very different, he would have an arm of lawyers around em and of course the FSC would be on the coat tails jockying about it.

I have said it before this industry makes me sick.

and if the community doesn't like black people in the neighborhood they can burn crosses on the lawn until they move?

Regardless of the 'community standards', there still has to be a crime involved to put someone in jail. If what he has published can't be judged to be obscene, then the govt., whether local or federal, has no authority to inhibit him.

At least you're consistent. You ALWAYS take the stupid, conservative redneck point of view.

Or maybe because this isn't a good testcase...

It is a perfect test case.

Chris was/is exploring Political speech in the 20th century doing exactly what ADULT INDUSTRY is supposed to do. Shocking? Questionable? EDUCATING people with the reality.

His plight wont be televised, journalists are avoiding the subject, Rupert Murdoch wont touch this one with a 10 foot poll nor any news organization.

Chris has no money to defend himself and like little people he will languish in prison for expressing and excersing political free speech. America is getting a little like China and baring alot of resemblance to Iran and the Islamic Republic's.

How did Chris Rock say it...

Our Hypocracy Of Democracy.

This thread outah be stickied as a reminder, I know I will bump this thread every time one of "Our Trade" organizations try and pilfer money out of the industry with some urgent cause.

It does not get more urgent than this.

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So true...

A few weeks ago, someone here tought my account was hacked ( as a joke ) because I took a " right wing stand " ....

Last week, at a client's office, a secretary told me I was a right wing extremist ( sure felt bad ... ) because I felt that the air marshall acted according to the rules ...

I am mostly a liberal .. bur sometimes will jump the fence...

Guys like TheKing and others here will never consider that THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE ....

Since you are not party to my conversations with other board members, you don't have a clue as to what the Free Speech Coalition board is thinking or doing, do you?

I don't see many people on here other than me, FSC boardmember, sticking up for his rights or donating to help the guy. Rest assured, other people are doing other things.

I know it is the Holiday Season and times are tight....but, can't you donate $10 to help Chris?? Hell, I donated $500 this morning.

You have four basic choices:
1. Help Chris with a cash donation to his legal defense fund at www.freechris.org.
2. Help by sending letters and posting his problem on other boards.
3. Do nothing and feel sorry for him.
4. Do nothing and feel sorry for yourself.

News flash...Danny boy...stating facts does not a conservative make. No need to thank me for educating you...yet again.

Guys... the sheriff of Polk County Florida has openly on several occasions spoken that he is " Doing the Lords Work".... nuff said folks........

That's bascially the title of 2257...."We the government can come and take whatever we want without a warrant because you the people are too stupid and silent to stop us. Furthermore, because the wealthy and influential citizens that truly run this country feel that porn is not protected as free speech and has no artistic value, the government will presume you guilty until proven innocent. You are to consider yourselves dirty and scum for choosing a career based on the incredible financial aspects and financial security it provides instead of working yourself into an early grave slaving away at Mcdonald's for $8.00 an hour....there is more, but I'm already too pissed to continue :disgust

Channel that anger into something positive for everybody. Your satisfaction level will go through the roof when you realize that you can affect change through dedicated involvement.

Let it out.....