Should California kill Tookie Williams?
 

He was found guilty and sentenanced to death for murder. Now he says he is redeemed and a new man.

Should California give him a pass or make him pay for his crimes?

didnt he get a nobel prize for peace?

Apologies don't bring back lives taken and they don't un-do crimes.

btw, they should let him live.
legal murder is bad news

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I'm worried. My studio's in downtown LA.

Riots?

And "regular" murder is.......... Tell me next citizens shouldn't have "guns" because they kill "people"...... :1orglaugh

I'm anti death penalty.

The US government very rarely gets shit right, so for them to be allowed to put people to death is kind of scary.

If we become a theocracy, I'm sure "adult entertainment" executives would be on the short list....

smoke him

Isn't Saddam on trial for torturing prisoners?

but, the united states executes prisoners???

let him live for many reasons

I wish we had a great big island where we could just dump all these criminal clowns.

What a waste of taxpayer's money.

I'm not a proponent of the death sentence, because it seems to hypocritcal to kill someone for killing someone.

I think living your life in jail is a harsher sentence. But the thought that the taxpayers have to pickup up the tab also irks me.

So I say lets find a big island in the middle of nowhere and just dump them all there and let them figure out how to survive on their own cave man style.

There is a little difference between tortuing someone because they lost a soccer game, and executing someone for murdering multiple people in cold blood.

Catalina, maybe?? Rugged and not too much fresh water.

Saddam will be executed very shortly :thumbsup

They should use them for spare parts and experimentation.

instead of the death penalty, i think we should build prisons that are just rows upon rows of 4x4 boxes with steel doors and locks and put murderers, rapists and child molestors in them....feed them twice a day and let them sit in those boxes for the rest of their lives, no light, no contact, no love

No, he didnt he get a nobel prize for peace!
He did shoot Albert Owens Tsai-Shai Yang and
Ye-Chen Lin

How about Australia instead?

another good idea, use them for experimental drugs and procedures

He also says he never did the crime in the first place... Has he ever actually admited to doing any crimes and repented for them?

Point spread on riots?

Tookie was stuck on drugs, PCP, from LA's darkest sides.
He was 29 yrs old when convicted.

He commited the crimes under the heavy influence of drugs emm PCP to be exact.

He reformed his life inside jail, where at least he was able to eat and get himself together. Since then he has written books, been awarded for his help in fighting gang violence.

There is no way he is the same man that murdered the people inside 7-11.


I think he should be allowed to live if he wants to, why he would I dunno but I do know he has helped saved the lives of countless gang members in LA and who knows how many murders through his influence never happened.

Who knows how many more lives he can save by being alive?

We can let him move in with you then.

Someone said..... Australia? And look how good they turned out!
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I would do it in a heart beat.

Thats pretty good, but not productive enough...

Theres always more victims than guilty perps right so i think the best idea is to assign ownership of guilty people to the victims.

So if some guy raped a girl , and he got 5 years , thats how long the victim gets to own the prisoner for.. They can do whatever they want with the prisoner they own for 5 years ( except kill them )

One thing is clear ,Killing is wrong. Nobody should ever kill anybody.. doesnt serve any purpose. If nothing else , put them to work.

Just like flying a sig that has some crazy ass black man in New Orleans that was stealing beer you fuckers.

I would have stolen beer as well in New Orleans:)
I think most people in New Orleans needed a beer after Katrina.

That dude prolly had a great time.

So, I see. Its ok to rob and kill people because if they catch you you can "reform" in jail and then you should be set free because you have changed your ways?

I agree... He's a pimp!

Read above... I said we should fry the fucker... :1orglaugh

Maybe one of the four people he killed could have saved more people..

Who is more likely to save people's lives ?

A) convicted killers

B) innocent people killed by ruthless killers


I dont think anyone should be killed , but they shouldn't even let scum like this speak to people. He should be locked in a box.

NO, for the most part am a supporter of the death penalty and killing when the person in question is a threat and can not be contained. Jails were made for those whom stand to reform themselves and come back to civilization.

Prison is the last hope that someone will reform themselves. Tookie is not a threat and during his time he has most likely saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives through his writtings.

i fail to see the correlation ?

I didnt know he was convicted of stealing anything ? maybe he bought those beer and was taking them home.. how racist of you sir :winkwink:

No one is sane on PCP.
Tookie was completely insane when he or IF he did it obviously.
He had nothing to loose in a life that was the worse of worse.

Its actually amazing that cops managed to capture em alive considering the state of mind he was in when the crimes occured.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/11/wi....ap/index.html

Appeals lost

You're killin me smokey.... I'm calling beer stealing man now and seeing if he's getting SpaCash royalties.

he may have been on drugs most of the time but i heard him say himself he shot innocent people. point blank.. if he was "insane" he wouldn't know what he had done..

I wont argue the legal definition , but needless to say if you know what your doing is wrong the you should be culpible , and he knew what he was doing was wrong..

You keep bringing up the effects of PCP, as if "Tookie" should receive some sort of sympathy since he wasn't thinking straight while being on that *bad mind-altering drug*.

Isnt this going to happen on monday? the descision I mean? I dont see Arnold letting him be saved, but thats just my opinion on it. BTW, Arnold almost died himself the other week...some type of racing heart beat that is supposed to be common with those who have had his type of heart surgery, but still scary at the least.

Part of beermans agreement is to not disclose the fact i only gave him a six pack of beer :winkwink:

another good point...

he was sane when he chose to take a drug that may turn him "insane" thus he is culpible for any actions that might take place ...

He's telling me on the phone it was a keg and you lied.. he's really pissed... I'm trying to settle him down.

I'd say yes but no really knows all the details.

I watched a special today on it and it seems obvious that he did the killings and they should merit death if you believe in the death penalty.

I would like to see a last chance prison where they could at least try to survive in a kaos environment or do death.

Like escape from LA but not in La.

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Mad me sick :(

Hey I dunno justmy opinion.
Not to mention there is some questionable things that indicate he may have never done it in the first place.

Wouldnt be the first black man to die in LA under a false conviction, but this guy does seem different than most. Most hard criminals never make an effort help to save others or attempt to undo what they done. Again Tookie wrote books and reached out to Gang Members to stop violence.
Thats a pretty big thing to do.

If Tookie Williams is granted clemency from the Governor, he would still have to serve a sentence of life in jail.

At least six people who were previously on death row in California were later exonerated (proven to be not guilty even though they had been convicted and sentenced to death). There are scores of others similarly sentenced to death throughout the country who were later found to be not guilty.

The main reason Williams was convicted was because of info obtained from jailhouse snitches (in return for lighter sentences, etc), not any eyewitness accounts.

The death penalty is wrong on so many levels.

Let Williams keep helping others on the outside from behind the prison bars (unless evidence surfaces indicating that he is not the killer, in which case he should be released).

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