Who thinks non exclusive is saturated?
 

If so how many sales under which type of license, distribution to affiliates, FHGs, buyer only, etc, would it take to saturate the set in 12 months?

Give me your opinions and numbers please.

And I'm talking about sets or videos over $25.

opinions and numbers . . . haha

Thought about doing exclusive content, but it's only exclusive to the buyer for, lets say 3 months, or maybe 6.
Then you can sell it on as regular content.

saturation is not a problem...only surfers who dont do anything else than surfing tgps all day long will see the same sets again and again...but those surfers dont buy memberships anyway

I agree with Andrej.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Average membership across the Adult Net is 2 months. Assuming the "buying" surfer wants back in within a week, he'll spend 6 weeks a year surfing free sites.

Not long enough to saturate a set.

DING DING DING!!!!!! :thumbsup

And his name was Bingo.

Not all of it, just yours.

You really need to shoot some fresh stuff.... or should I say your photographer wife should since you claim she shoots 80% of it anyways.

Don't understand what you're saying.

Are you saying we shoot so much that the whole style is saturated or the sets sell so well the sets are saturated?

Could shoot like you and not get saturated at all. :1orglaugh

Is this a running theme and is it that time of the year again?

Ok I am ready for the lecture again.

Had 6 votes for saturated and not one of them has chipped in with a number of sales. Guess they don't know so much.

Not really. Had someone say non exclusive was likely to turn up on 485 sites. I asked him how many sales that would take.

I am looking for few places to buy non-exclusive and/or exclusive dvd content .
ANy suggestions ?

1 set of 20 pictures - 485 sites; done every day by many people on a per person basis. Hell people often run through double or triple that amount of sites they submit to and we are not talking about link dumps, free sites and the like.

Then assuming standard skims and what not of typical circle jerk tgps, chances get higher and higher via trades that a given surfer will indeed begin to see duplicate picture sets.

Now I will not say that non exclusive can not or does not make money either. It still does and people can do things to slightly alter photos (flip image, crops, etc) to make it appear different if they choose.

Of course you cant understand me Paul Try pulling your head out of your pompus ass first. As for my own "saturation". haha funny man. Do you even know the sites I shoot for? Ummm buddy, do your homework.

Besides, do you see me in here selling off sets at $25.00 each? Nope! Since my site orders are $20k and higher, you wont see me begging for an order in here either. Ive shot 17 sites since May.... you do the math. Let me see Paul... how many $25.00 sets does it take to get to $340k 8500? And damn.... it only took me 1700 sets to get to $340k. Who is more profitable Paul? Come on man.....

Your or shoud I say Evas work is really good. However, you are NOT the only one making a living shooting models in this industry. Youre just the loudest.

Let the lecture comnence.

Is it time for another Paul Markham "exclusive content" thread again already ?

hmh ok I agree with loudest man but anyway
20K for 1 paysite order right?How many scenes is in 20K ?
Also I have produced the stuff for 5 excl. sites since may 05 - each 15 scenes + photosets - took all my time.so I think your stuff must be really high end quality and your customers are converting fucking well if you are able to produce 17 packs for the same time.
Ok maybe you got larger team or so - just asking ok....... :2 cents:

there is a time for this everyday - get use to it :pimp

Their is no such thing as saturation in my book crop the images and videos another way put your own twist on it repackage and resell.

I dont think I have a larger team then you do. I do have a full time video person though. Ive done 17 sites, 100 sets each, with 8 hours of video.... well I should say thats my basic order for the 20k. So yes, since may I have produced min of 1700 sets and my video girl has done 8 hours time 17 sites worth of video. I do work fast and I make very good use of my time. Not that someone that produces less then I do does not, but its just how I work. I would nt say its all as nearly as clean as Evas pics are. I have a very specific niche I shoot for that gives me some room to not be as perfect on every shot. Thats not saying the quality isnt there, its just the "inperfections" in the image are part of what makes up a good image in my niche. I can do 10-15 setx a day and it be perfect for what I do. Those that shoot the more high end glam, with the heavy ligfhting set ups can not. No one is wrong here, but we are talking about two different animals.

My ONLY issue with Paul over the years is that he wants to compare his work to others that are not even in the same ballpark as his. Ive always said his stuff is great.... never once have a said it wasnt. However, he is always quick find fault in others work without doing the reseach on why its shot the way it is. Everyone that does not agree with Paul is a hack that could not possibly be making any money.... its tiresome.

You won't find exclusive DVD content unless you go to the DVD distributors. As for non exclusive there are a few around. We will soon be releasing a section in our store for people who want the raw video to compress themselves. The video will be edited and top quality, as DVD is already compressed, so customers can compress it themselves to their requirements.

Yes content given away for free to affiliates will get saturated. Many buy exclusive then give it to hundred of affiliates who saturate it.

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Paul we need more pix of you with the girls -- :thumbsup


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2hp

I've spoken to you on ICQ and know what you sell for $20K it takes 20 days to shoot that amount. Or are you saying you shoot it in less time?

17 sites since May 100 sets 50 videos for $20k = $133 a piece. Doing 10 pieces a day 15 days an order. 17 orders 170 days work since may. May to November is 7 months, 210 days. By the time you pay the models and locations you're working your arse off for very little. you are paying the models I assume. How do you find time to find the models?

Your work is average and typical of a guy who points a camera.

What is more profitable? Shooting magazines sets at $3,000 a time. How many of them do you shoot, we shoot over 100 a year.

You did not have to click on the thread if you don't want to, but it's threads like this that make a board work.

Boards exist on advertising.
Advertising is tagetted at newbies.
Newbies need to learn and learn fast.
So they stay in the business.
And respond to the adverts and keep the advertisers happy.

Or do you think a board will survive with everyone talking about beer, music visiting the Playboy Mansion?

You have a shooter boasting about how fast he can shoot. Boasting about a work load that has to lead to quality suffering. The quality of the product we all sell and partly what will determine a newbies success.

Take no notice of him. He thinks shooting porn is like producing cars on a production line. Actually stupid enough to boast that he's working that hard. :1orglaugh

You don't have a clue do you?

If we all shoot to your level we will offer the surfer little. The future is to improve what the surfer experiences.

As for Amateur, which I'm sure you're saying your niche is. We shoot them for magazines and make a lot more money then you do at it.

So 100 sets and 8 hours of video for $20k. Less the model, less your assistant, less location, less props, less underwear, less equipment (shooting at your rate will tear the guts out of most equipment) I would say you struggle to make $500 a day. Not exactly a great income.

Newbies listen to what the man is saying, he shoots 10 to 15 sets a day for ten days or more. Imagine how he feels and more importantly how the model feels as they go into this grind. Is his niche "Bored model wanting to finish and go home, shot by a shooter who's going at it like a robot" Bev=casue that's what he's shooting.

This is what he's delivering to his clients, for them to deliver to your trafic. Wonder what the conversion ratio is?

I've 28 years experience producing porn and have been through the Teens, Readers wives, Girl Next Door and Semi Glamour niches. we shoot a lot of Readers Wives. But what we dont do is churn it out like a converor belt. Because this leads to no emotions from the model and shooter and the work suffers.

Brujah this is why threads like this are important. Seeing the thought process behind the way some shoot and some buy the content is good for newbies to learn.

Paul, I'm not complaining about your thread. Only commenting that you make a new thread about shooting exclusive content every few weeks it seems. Are you eventually going to shoot exclusive only or print only like you've bragged about ? The impression I've gotten is that you think we (webmasters) are all cheap and not worth listening to and wasting your time.

No you could not be more wrong and if you meet me in Vegas you will see how I feel about people here.

We shoot a mixture, non exclusive for the net and phones, exclusive for net and phones and for magazines.

I'm slowly eating away at the beliefs that "Exclusive" is the key to success and non exclusive is saturated. What do you want me to talk about, web design or programming? :1orglaugh

$500 day may suck for you, but it's great money for another content shooter

Very true.

Maybe some of these shooters should try shooting non exclusive.

Paul..... why do you always resort to insults when you clearly have no a clue what I do? Ive neverr once insulted your work (or should I say Evas), in fact, ive promoted it, just yesterday even.

You have no idea of my cost centers, profit margins or what I net, per set. You have no idea on who pays expenses on each job, airfare, outfits and the like. The only think you had right is that i burn through a camera body about every 90 days. Nikon shutters are rated at 100k releases... nice thing is, they are still under warranty when the shuuter stops. I just send the body into Nikon, they replace the shutter. I have three bodies so its never an issue. You insult my work because i dont shoot non-exclusive and by insulting me, your hope is to make the argument for buying non-exclusive, i guess? Its an ungoing theme with you.... ummm for the last year or more. We all get it buddy.... non-exclusive is the ONLY way to go. :winkwink:

I dont shoot 15 sets a day for 10 days straight, not on one model anyways. Not even close to it. I might shoot 3 different girls a day, 4 or 5 sets each and I rarely see the same girl more then twice a month. It takes me at least 12-16 weeks to shoot an entire site on one girl, but im rotating several at one time. If you think I just bring them in here, pound out a site and send them on their way, you are dead wrong. We fly nearly half of our models in here from all over the country, so getting them here more then twice a month just isnt possible. Even the local models and on a rotation shooting schedule so at best I see them twice a month during their site production You are making HUGE assumptions about how i run my business Paul. The assumpions and flat out lies will stop now Paul. Also we have had ONE icq converstaion, in Aug. it was brief and had nothing to do with my rates, period.

If your hopes were to insult me for working to hard thats laughable. Yep, I work hard and im proud of it. Also, if would stop shooting today if I was only making twice what you assumed I make a day. As for my sites not converting, do you really think that some of the biggest programs in this indusrty would continue to buy site after site from me, for years if they didnt convert? Just remember Paul, when you insult me, you insult them also, some of which are your clients.

You make me laugh Paul. Now go fuck your models as you have bragged you do over and over again. Then in your spare time, assist Eva on her next photoshoot. Clearly Eva was the best business move you ever made. Maybe she should be the voice of your company also? I doubt her ego is nearly as out of control as yours is.

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You just missed the point entirely now didn't you.
So let me simplify it.

One webmaster can purchase one set for his/her own use (not as free content for affiliates).
It is common for just one webmaster who does submissions to submit to 485 to 1455 separate TGP's in just one day with that set.

That is one webmaster doing 1 submission in one day to a medium sized database. That same webmaster may also build some free sites with the same set for SE purposes, and then while they are at it also dump of links to a few hundred + link dump sites.

So in essence just one webmaster buying just one set, could easily in just one day expose a given set to some 2,000 plus sites. If it averages just 5,000 views each that has put that one set in front of 10,000,000 sets of eyeballs.

tgp was not the thing to do..

shit

how many out of those 1455 TGPs even got any traffic ?
I think this is changing the numbers little bit

At one point I would agree with you and in some ways I still do. Yet now adays anybody with a trade script and AGP or something can have a 5-10k a day tgp with next to no work at all. Plus this would also factor in that even though some may only have a 1000 or so hits a day while others may have tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands.

BTW the numbers are not hard, nor guarenteed. Just showing the possible potential of what one webmaster could do. If those numbers still do not work, just make it 5 or 10 webmasters doing it.

Now I see your point.

So giving it to 100 webmasters would expose it even more. Plus it will hang around in a sponsors free content section for years.

What's the solution?

Thousand of sales come from tgp's free sites, bloggs etc every day.
I assume the guys actually take a look at the content and then choose whether to look at or even join a pay site -
I also assume these guys see quite a lot of duplicate content, too.

Every other day I get emails from Markham about a new special offer (I only use content unique to my site only - ) About time the "remove" requests started working...

The only solution is for providers to keep shooting and keep providing webmasters with content.

Now some may like exclusive because they are not competing with every other webmaster etc with same set. Others are more content with taking the chances and using up semi exclusive or even regular sets.

Point is there is a buyer as well as a reason for all types.

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Paul I am sure you know that we waste our time talking about this.Once you give it to affiliates like FHGs you are done.You get paid once but thousands of people use your products.
Content providers who do that will see the results of thier wrong decission sooner or later.I think it takes like 12 months before you know how bad is that decission.

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Paul will still go on beating his drum, but well said. ANd Paul, keep in mind that just becuase your drum is different then the rest of ours, it does not make it wrong. Just different. Different type of content, different market and different typs of buyers with different needs. Seems to be working out fine for everyone.

Hit me up on ICQ and I will remove it.

I think I found it and removed it.

We shoot all the time and lots of new girls others do not have, the major "Exclusive" shooters are based in Prague and shooting the same girls. :winkwink:

We try to release 6 sets and 4 videos a week.

Good point. We tried to get them to pay more for the license and they mostly refused. Maybe they don't mind giving content to affiliates that 5 to 10 other programs have. But it gives you an indication of how some think.

Spend thousands on banners to get affiliates and cut costs helping them convert.