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 Where the fuck does one find the best programmers in the world? 
		
		
		I've searched everywhere, Elance, Scriptlance, Rentacoder, Programming message boards, whatever.......can't find that one visionary I'm after.....where is he? (or she....just to be fair to the ladies) 
	Willing to give good $$ to someone who can refer me to a reliable, god like web developer.  | 
		
 You are looking in all the wrong places, all you will find on those sites are selllouts that can't even code properly. 
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	Try someone with a degree and a few years experience. edit: Also, when searching it helped us to include the phrase "looking for someone who not only considers _______ a job, but also a hobby" and make sure they have passion in what they do.  | 
		
 Amen to this thread..,  
	I will pay for good help, but i think people generally expect to much this industry. Impress the hell out of me.. don't sell me. - Justin  | 
		
 ICQ me at 220-654-819 if you need a web programmer.  I have a bachelors degree in software engineering and a number of websites i can show you. 
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 What exactly are you looking for? 
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 dude, your nick rocks man...very creative 
	as for a programmer, you might hit up sarettah - 2155399 - http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=21467 http://www.fuckingprogrammers.com/index.htm he has worked mainstream and adult and comes with a resume that would wear out my printer if you need any microsoft based shit done, let me know....I know one of the godfathers of ms programming...he writes books on the shit, literally  | 
		
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 Like any other line of work... the best ones are either way to busy, or snatched up by some company and paid very well to be exclusive. 
	Good luck though.  | 
		
 You want good and you've been checking scriptlance and rentacoder? 
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 i heard they grow under mossy boulders, deep in the forests in a specific part of germany 
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 Ask Google 
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 Word of mouth, man.  Word of mouth.  I have a couple I use but they're too busy with my projects for me to refer them. 
	The key to finding a good outsourced programmer--clarity of communication and the ability to cover 'gray areas.' Gray areas are contingencies brought into play by specs. A good prorammer anticipates them and puts them under your control.  | 
		
 Scriptlance is the worst place to find real programmers 
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 They are very hard to find . Like NichePay - StuartD said". the best ones are either way to busy, or snatched up by some company and paid very well to be exclusive." 
	Took me 5 years to find my guy :winkwink:  | 
		
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 stand outside your local community college with a sack of weed and a sign that reads "l00k1ng for 1337 c0d3r" 
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 Good luck.. a decent reliable programmer is like 1:1000 
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 The true godlike codesmiths are all comfortably situated by now. It's very very rare when you cross paths with one that isn't either exclusively employed by someone, or has been enriched to the point where they have right of refusal on any new work. 
	There's always the opportunity to pick up the up-and-comers whiling away the time in university or college, filling a seat just long enough to get the mark they want and doing their own thing in the meantime. I must say I'm a bit curious... what is it that you need done so's to require "the best programmer in the world"? The vast majority of what gets done in this industry these days is pretty pedestrian stuff, even in the innovative areas (the ideas may be innovative, but the code is still straightforward).  | 
		
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 I know some good programmers I can refer to you depending on your needs.  Hit me up if you want. 
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 Most of them are locked in my basement! 
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