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Is redirecting your japanse and chinese surfers considered a bad thing?

11-16-2005, 02:27 PM

My mgp galleries get too much japanese and chinese surfers. Its a waste of fucking bw.

One: Are mgp owners gonna bitch if i redirect those 2 countries?
Two: If i do redirect them, where to?
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11-16-2005, 02:28 PM

fuck no. redirect them to www.usa1234.com with aff link
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11-16-2005, 02:28 PM

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11-16-2005, 02:28 PM

Just checking a random sponsor:

United States 866 36.1%
Unknown 447 18.6%
Great Britain (UK) 130 5.4%
Japan 104 4.3%
Germany 98 4.1%
China 92 3.8%

EIGHT % of my bw is being burned by people who wont sign up anyway! Thats way too much.
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11-16-2005, 02:28 PM

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11-16-2005, 02:30 PM

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fuck no. redirect them to www.usa1234.com with aff link

No shit?
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11-16-2005, 02:31 PM

Damn, there are actually quite some countries on that list i want to redirect.
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11-16-2005, 02:31 PM

United States 866 36.1%
Unknown 447 18.6%
Great Britain (UK) 130 5.4%
Japan 104 4.3%
Germany 98 4.1%
China 92 3.8%
Canada 85 3.5%
Uruguay 56 2.3%
France 52 2.2%
Spain 33 1.4%
Italy 30 1.2%
Netherlands 30 1.2%
Australia 25 1.0%
Poland 22 0.9%
Brazil 20 0.8%
Mexico 18 0.7%
Austria 16 0.7%
India 15 0.6%
Sweden 14 0.6%
Belgium 14 0.6%
New Zealand (Aotearoa) 13 0.5%
Russia 13 0.5%
Korea (South) 11 0.5%
Switzerland 11 0.5%
Denmark 9 0.4%
Norway 9 0.4%
Malaysia 9 0.4%
Taiwan 8 0.3%
Turkey 7 0.3%
Israel 7 0.3%
Argentina 7 0.3%
Egypt 7 0.3%
Portugal 7 0.3%
Ireland 6 0.2%
Indonesia 6 0.2%
Romania 6 0.2%
Slovenia 6 0.2%
Philippines 6 0.2%
Morocco 5 0.2%
Pakistan 5 0.2%
Peru 5 0.2%
Finland 5 0.2%
Hong Kong 4 0.2%
Bahrain 4 0.2%
Viet Nam 4 0.2%
Singapore 4 0.2%
Lithuania 3 0.1%
Kenya 3 0.1%
South Africa 3 0.1%
Thailand 3 0.1%
Greece 2 0.1%
Iceland 2 0.1%
United Arab Emirates 2 0.1%
Latvia 2 0.1%
Czech Republic 2 0.1%
Venezuela 2 0.1%
Hungary 2 0.1%
Algeria 2 0.1%
Costa Rica 1 0.0%
Croatia (Hrvatska) 1 0.0%
Estonia 1 0.0%
Georgia 1 0.0%
Sri Lanka 1 0.0%
Unknown 1 0.0%
Botswana 1 0.0%
Guatemala 1 0.0%
Jordan 1 0.0%
Nigeria 1 0.0%
Yugoslavia 1 0.0%
Dominica 1 0.0%
Lebanon 1 0.0%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1 0.0%
Nepal 1 0.0%
Syria 1 0.0%
Slovak Republic 1 0.0%
Nicaragua 1 0.0%
Bhutan 1 0.0%
Unknown 1 0.0%
Bulgaria 1 0.0%
Paraguay 1 0.0%
Chile 1 0.0%
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11-16-2005, 02:32 PM

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11-16-2005, 02:32 PM

1. yes, people bitch
2. japanese people have money, and many have creditcards
3. geo-targetted advertising will save the day

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11-16-2005, 02:33 PM

send them to www.thehun.com to make his worthless traffic even more worthless with more worthless freeloaders bookmarking his worthless site

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11-16-2005, 02:34 PM

Or send them to SMS sponsor or www.passwordbyphone.com

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11-16-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

1. yes, people bitch
2. japanese people have money, and many have creditcards
3. geo-targetted advertising will save the day

I know from experience, at least with my sites, the amount of japs signing up is really fucking small. The 5% wasting my bw is costing me more then the odd signup once a month.
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11-16-2005, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Franck

I know from experience, at least with my sites, the amount of japs signing up is really fucking small. The 5% wasting my bw is costing me more then the odd signup once a month.

They don't sign up much to sites that are in English because most them pretty much suck at English. However, if target them with Japanese-language ads for Japanese-language sites, they can convert quite well.

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11-16-2005, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

They don't sign up much to sites that are in English because most them pretty much suck at English. However, if target them with Japanese-language ads for Japanese-language sites, they can convert quite well.

Thats exactly why i started this thread. So i should redirect them i guess.
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11-16-2005, 02:47 PM

You could email the top 20 MGP:s or so sending you traffic and ask them what they say.

My guess is they don't like it. Correct me if Im wrong, but Im pretty sure thehun would ban you if you redirected .jp for example.
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11-16-2005, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by mn

You could email the top 20 MGP:s or so sending you traffic and ask them what they say.

My guess is they don't like it. Correct me if Im wrong, but Im pretty sure thehun would ban you if you redirected .jp for example.

Yeah, thats waht worries me. But jeesh, im not here to provide non paying people free shit. It already happens enough with american traffic but ofcourse i cant filter that. If i know 99.9% of a certain group of people wont signup then its simply costing me money. And 8% of the bw i burn is a lot!
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11-16-2005, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Franck

Yeah, thats waht worries me. But jeesh, im not here to provide non paying people free shit. It already happens enough with american traffic but ofcourse i cant filter that. If i know 99.9% of a certain group of people wont signup then its simply costing me money. And 8% of the bw i burn is a lot!

Most will ban you if they find out, because they may value their asian surfers more than you do.

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11-16-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Franck

Yeah, thats waht worries me. But jeesh, im not here to provide non paying people free shit. It already happens enough with american traffic but ofcourse i cant filter that. If i know 99.9% of a certain group of people wont signup then its simply costing me money. And 8% of the bw i burn is a lot!

To be honest. Most of the MGP:s will probably never notice it. But if your in this for long-term, and I know you are, just look at it as it is. Its 10% extra bandwith costs per month. No big deal. Bandwith is cheap nowdays....

During my years I have never redirected anything. I sleep better at night when I know I don't risk waking up banned on my top 10 traffic sources.
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11-16-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by mn

To be honest. Most of the MGP:s will probably never notice it. But if your in this for long-term, and I know you are, just look at it as it is. Its 10% extra bandwith costs per month. No big deal. Bandwith is cheap nowdays....

During my years I have never redirected anything. I sleep better at night when I know I don't risk waking up banned on my top 10 traffic sources.

Yes that makes sense..

Hmm...
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11-16-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Franck

Just checking a random sponsor:

United States 866 36.1%
Unknown 447 18.6%
Great Britain (UK) 130 5.4%
Japan 104 4.3%
Germany 98 4.1%
China 92 3.8%

EIGHT % of my bw is being burned by people who wont sign up anyway! Thats way too much.

Franck, doesn`t necessarily help you but .jp surfers will pay for ebony content (true).
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11-16-2005, 03:18 PM

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Franck, doesn`t necessarily help you but .jp surfers will pay for ebony content (true).

Thanks for the tip. Didnt know that.
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11-16-2005, 03:21 PM

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11-16-2005, 03:24 PM

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11-16-2005, 03:27 PM

Franck like some other mentioned, I HIGHLY recommend www.passwordbyphone.com - we are still working on implementing it into our NATS setup, but there are many other sites in their system... trust me - you will NOT regret it
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11-16-2005, 03:34 PM

Hmmm..

didn't he ask if its considered OK to redirect certain type of traffic?

Or is every thread turning spam on GFY nowdays?
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11-16-2005, 03:41 PM

I would never risk my traffic to redirect like that and end up getting banned. I'm sure most mgps will ban you if you do. You basically have to options if you don't wanna end up getting banned.

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11-16-2005, 04:11 PM

mgps dont rike when you redirect even a rittle of asian traffic.

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11-16-2005, 04:35 PM

Usually they don't like redirecting...

If you do it anyway, PasswordByPhone makes me money with CN / JP traffic.

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11-16-2005, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Most will ban you if they find out, because they may value their asian surfers more than you do.

I doubt if sites that are concerned about maintaining an asian bookmarker base are going to be of much value to you or anyone else.
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11-16-2005, 05:07 PM

Geeze, signup for PIB. OR send them to someone with exit page hell and malware.
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11-16-2005, 05:32 PM

I'd definitly avoid redirecting any traffic from MGP or TGP sources. It's just asking for banning.
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11-16-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

I doubt if sites that are concerned about maintaining an asian bookmarker base are going to be of much value to you or anyone else.

Here's a little assignment for you. Send an email to the webmasters of all the sites on the following list that accept submissions, asking if they will allow you to redirect asian traffic for galleries.

http://ranks.sextracker.com/

After having done that and having read the replies, please post again in this thread to tell us the results.

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11-16-2005, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Here's a little assignment for you. Send an email to the webmasters of all the sites on the following list that accept submissions, asking if they will allow you to redirect asian traffic for galleries.

http://ranks.sextracker.com/

After having done that and having read the replies, please post again in this thread to tell us the results.

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11-16-2005, 05:48 PM

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11-16-2005, 05:50 PM

Franck.. redirect the Japanese traffic to A hentai Anime sponsor site that is in Japanese. Redirect the Chinese traffic to Anything that offers a free sign up, perhaps something that pays per email or free join.
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11-16-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Here's a little assignment for you. Send an email to the webmasters of all the sites on the following list that accept submissions, asking if they will allow you to redirect asian traffic for galleries.

http://ranks.sextracker.com/

After having done that and having read the replies, please post again in this thread to tell us the results.

Just to make this clear, you're saying those sites are trying to acquire as much worthless asian traffic as possible?
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11-16-2005, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Just to make this clear, you're saying those sites are trying to acquire as much worthless asian traffic as possible?

Just do the assignment, and post the results.

As for them trying to acquire as much "worthless" asian traffic as possible... asian traffic is only worthless if you don't know how to handle it, and there is a significant semantic difference between "not redirecting traffic" and "trying to acquire as much asian traffic as possible".

Now stop trying to argue against the obvious. You can only succeed in making yourself look ridiculous by defending something that simply isn't true.

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11-16-2005, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Just to make this clear, you're saying those sites are trying to acquire as much worthless asian traffic as possible?

worthless traffic = more trades supported (asian traffic can be productive on thumb t/mpgs) = more traffic returned = much of the return traffic will be unfiltered (non shit) = higher asking price for paid spots = more money

Also what do you think TGP's feed their sites with? US traffic?

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11-16-2005, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Just do the assignment, and post the results.

As for them trying to acquire as much "worthless" asian traffic as possible... asian traffic is only worthless if you don't know how to handle it, and there is a significant semantic difference between "not redirecting traffic" and "trying to acquire as much asian traffic as possible".

Now stop trying to argue against the obvious. You can only succeed in making yourself look ridiculous by defending something that simply isn't true.

Heh, why would anyone be so stupid as to ask them first? Seeing as you're the one suggesting this, perhaps you can clue the rest of us in.

There's plenty of worthless traffic out there. The sites with good traffic tend to redirect that crap before it ever hits their gallery listings. There's no legitimate reason to keep it for the site owner because:
1. It won't convert on their own banner links and FHG's
2. It won't convert on the submitted galleries

Which leaves only one other reason to keep it, which is to boost up traffic numbers on stats pages like you posted with crap that won't make anyone any money. Or push it to trades.

I've used freehosts before that block certain regions, without any problems, except for getting banned at ONE tgp that was both A) exceptionally large and B) had very poor ratios even with top listings.

Gee, the site produced shitty ratios, had alot of traffic, and was concerned about worthless traffic. I suppose these are all mere coincidences?

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11-16-2005, 06:43 PM

freehosts that are redirecting crap traffic are getting banned ... so I guess you can't do it either

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11-16-2005, 06:44 PM

Tgps like chinese / asn traffic ... it boosts their trades ... 3 % extra traffic can be the difference between a -1 % growth and a 2% growth ;)

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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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11-16-2005, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Gee, the site produced shitty ratios, had alot of traffic, and was concerned about worthless traffic. I suppose these are all mere coincidences?

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11-16-2005, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by darnit

worthless traffic = more trades supported (asian traffic can be productive on thumb t/mpgs) = more traffic returned = much of the return traffic will be unfiltered (non shit) = higher asking price for paid spots = more money

That's a great concept until you count in that most of the trades are going to be using the same method so instead of getting the (non shit) back, they're just receiving roughly the same quality that they're sending. You're right about the site owners being able to charge more for paid spots, however to the end user the value doesn't increase, only their overhead. I for one keep a VERY close watch on the language stats of the traded traffic on my site.

Also what do you think TGP's feed their sites with? US traffic?

The ones that make money do. American/Euro traffic anyway.

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11-16-2005, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Franck

Please name it.
Not for drama but in case i might redirect.

Or on icq 95164758

Just hit you up, authorize me. I'm not going to name sites on the boards over this sort of thing.
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11-16-2005, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Heh, why would anyone be so stupid as to ask them first? Seeing as you're the one suggesting this, perhaps you can clue the rest of us in.

There's plenty of worthless traffic out there. The sites with good traffic tend to redirect that crap before it ever hits their gallery listings. There's no legitimate reason to keep it for the site owner because:
1. It won't convert on their own banner links and FHG's
2. It won't convert on the submitted galleries

Which leaves only one other reason to keep it, which is to boost up traffic numbers on stats pages like you posted with crap that won't make anyone any money. Or push it to trades.

I've used freehosts before that block certain regions, without any problems, except for getting banned at ONE tgp that was both A) exceptionally large and B) had very poor ratios even with top listings.

Gee, the site produced shitty ratios, had alot of traffic, and was concerned about worthless traffic. I suppose these are all mere coincidences?

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You say the sites with good traffic tend to redirect that traffic anyway. Franck posted that 8% of his traffic is chinese or japanese, so I think it is safe to assume that many, if not the majority, of the sites he posts to do in fact not redirect that traffic.

Now, most tgps and mgps do not like you redirecting their surfers that they do not redirect themselves, because if they are not redirecting them, they are not redirecting them for a reason - and gallery posters redirecting that traffic would pretty much defeat that reason.
As for the ones that do redirect the traffic, since those don't send that traffic to your galleries anyway there is no need to redirect the traffic in question.

Sites that "allow" you to redirect traffic usually "allow" it only because they don't know it. Once they find out, they start banning. (same happened with a number of freesites on tons and tons of tgps)

There is an obvious deal between tgp/mgp owners and gallery posters: galleries that get listed deliver the same content to all surfers the tgp/mgp sends. It is not up to the poster to decide which ones are real surfers and which ones should be redirected.

TGP/MGP owners may very well be able to make good money of the surfers you think you can just redirect because they're "worthless", and that's why redirecting is generally considered "cheating".

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11-16-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

TGP/MGP owners may very well be able to make good money of the surfers you think you can just redirect because they're "worthless", and that's why redirecting is generally considered "cheating".

Well first off I should have clarified that I've never actually 'redirected' them from a gallery even on the freehosts; they simply block them with a standard 403/404 error page to prevent bandwidth being spent on that traffic.

As far as your contention about the tgp owners being able to make money off that traffic, I doubt that's true, except for possibly getting them to sign up under a geo dating ad; though I don't know if any of the sponsors even pay for signups from those countries.

That market is really without much value. When I had my paysite/ dvd store running, I sold many memberships and placed many thousands of orders; of those, only one - ever - was a customer in an asian country, and that was from an american who was living there.

That being said, japanese traffic is of more value than chinese if you can present the links/tours in their language, but you'll notice that site pumping themselves full of asian traffic rarely use jap traffic, they use the cheap chinese stuff.
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11-16-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Well first off I should have clarified that I've never actually 'redirected' them from a gallery even on the freehosts; they simply block them with a standard 403/404 error page to prevent bandwidth being spent on that traffic.

As far as your contention about the tgp owners being able to make money off that traffic, I doubt that's true, except for possibly getting them to sign up under a geo dating ad; though I don't know if any of the sponsors even pay for signups from those countries.

That market is really without much value. When I had my paysite/ dvd store running, I sold many memberships and placed many thousands of orders; of those, only one - ever - was a customer in an asian country, and that was from an american who was living there.

That being said, japanese traffic is of more value than chinese if you can present the links/tours in their language, but you'll notice that site pumping themselves full of asian traffic rarely use jap traffic, they use the cheap chinese stuff.

I can understand your views after your experiences with this, but other people - I for example - have pretty good experiences with japanese traffic. Of course, that requires good geo targetting, but it can be worth it nevertheless.

Chinese traffic is pretty bad, but if sites send lots of it and don't convert well, it's probably better just not to submit to those sites than to break the "you show galleries to the traffic we send" agreement.

You're right that sites pumping themselves full with cheap chinese traffic aren't worth the effort, but not submitting to those is probably the best course of action.
Sites that don't redirect asian traffic but don't pump it either, on the other hand, can be well worth submitting to - and redirecting their asian traffic, even to 404 pages, probably won't make them happy if they find out.

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