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directfiesta 11-07-2005 07:57 PM

So its true! Chemical Weapons were used in Iraq ( pics )
 
We all heard about the " red line " were after the US troops would be exposed to the chemical weapons of Iraq....
We also saw the US soldiers protecting themselves with proper gear against the stockpile of Iraqis WMD ...

Well, they were RIGHT !

CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE USED IN IRAQ !!!!

Quote:


US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

...

But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.


Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle325560.ece

" They hate our freedom, our democracy, our way of living... They are tugs..." :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Woinder when FOX network ( the fair and balanced ) is schedule to broadcast this documentary ???? :)

Damian_Maxcash 11-07-2005 08:02 PM

Well thats put an end to my good mood.......

Will we see this anywhere but here on GFY? - probably not :(

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001
Well thats put an end to my good mood.......

Will we see this anywhere but here on GFY? - probably not :(

The USA will broadcast the nice US soldier that saved a chicken from being crushed by a Bradley :thumbsup

They wont show you this:

Video of interview of american soldier

That " spreaded freedom " , it has this funny after taste ....

SmokeyTheBear 11-07-2005 08:11 PM

sounds like bullshit to me, chemical weapons residue is easily collected and easily identifiable, if there was chemical weapons used, theywould have easy physical proof not circumstantial evidence that doesn't fit..

potter 11-07-2005 08:14 PM

Even SWAT uses White Phosphorus. It's nothing new.

Damian_Maxcash 11-07-2005 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter
Even SWAT uses White Phosphorus. It's nothing new.

Oh - thats ok then.

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 08:16 PM

dude... as an ex military grunt...
white phorphus is used for multiple things.. mainly smoke screens and air and artillery strike correction markers..
WP is used virtually EVERY ARMY

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:18 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...light=Fallujah

USA : State of Denial....

potter 11-07-2005 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001
Oh - thats ok then.

Yup, I bet even the your local police station in London has white phosphorus on location. Specially with the riots and what not happening, bet there is plenty of anti-riot gear.

Promo Chicks 11-07-2005 08:18 PM

Photos look just like people that had been dead for a month, not burned by chemicals.

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:20 PM

OK, I see....

So no problem if they ( the thugs ) use that on your troops...

Kewl :thumbsup

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Promo Chicks
Photos look just like people that had been dead for a month, not burned by chemicals.

You should work for as a forensic for the police .. .They would save many $$$$ with such fast conclusions :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh ....

BTW, you looked and listened at the video ? probably not....

potter 11-07-2005 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
OK, I see....

So no problem if they ( the thugs ) use that on your troops...

Kewl :thumbsup

I don't see why they wouldn't. It's pretty much used by every real military force on the planet. Are you new around here, or just don't understand what white phosphorus is?

emthree 11-07-2005 08:36 PM

Cool Halloween pics

abadfish 11-07-2005 08:42 PM

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_p...rus_incendiary

If you don't want to click the link:

"Weapons

Use of white phosphorus is not banned by any treaty."

abadfish 11-07-2005 08:43 PM

And who the fuck is that dude? He could be anyone... he may not even be from the military. Sounds like that video is being used completely out of context. Pretty fireworks though...

pornguy 11-07-2005 08:46 PM

All I see in that video is a fat white guy that they put a green jacket on, to make him look like he might have been in the millitary at some point.

And I dont think that he was ever there.

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abadfish
Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_p...rus_incendiary

If you don't want to click the link:

"Weapons

Use of white phosphorus is not banned by any treaty."


Cool .... So it is included in the " Operation Freedom " starter kit ????

Quote:

The Use of white phosphorus " violates the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare.
dont click either: http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/engl...ns_in_iraq.pdf

But you are right: it is not more illegal than crashing planes in tower buildings :2 cents:


Now back to democracy and we love iraqis ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

directfiesta 11-07-2005 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
All I see in that video is a fat white guy that they put a green jacket on, to make him look like he might have been in the millitary at some point.

And I dont think that he was ever there.

Get your eyes checked ... I think I saw other things than the guy ...

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 08:59 PM

dude... as an ex military grunt...
white phorphus is used for multiple things.. mainly smoke screens and air and artillery strike correction markers..
WP is used virtually EVERY ARMY IN WORLD.. use this FOR THESE PURPOSES.


A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."
--- how wp works...
What is white phosphorus?
White phosphorus is a colorless, white, or yellow waxy solid with a garlic-like odor. It does not occur naturally, but is manufactured from phosphate rocks.

White phosphorus reacts rapidly with oxygen, easily catching fire at temperatures 10 to 15 degrees above room temperature.

White phosphorus is used by the military in various types of ammunition, and to produce smoke for concealing troop movements and identifying targets.
Little information is available about the health effects that may be caused by white phosphorus. Most of what is known about the effects of breathing white phosphorus is from studies of workers. Most of what is known about the effects of eating white phosphorus is from reports of people eating rat poison or fireworks that contained it.

Breathing white phosphorus for short periods may cause coughing and irritation of the throat and lungs. Breathing white phosphorus for long periods may cause a condition known as "phossy jaw" which involves poor wound healing of the mouth and breakdown of the jaw bone.

Eating or drinking small amounts of white phosphorus may cause liver, heart, or kidney damage, vomiting, stomach cramps, drowsiness, or death. We do not know what the effects are from eating or drinking very small amounts of white phosphorus-containing substances over long periods of time. Skin contact with burning white phosphorus may burn skin or cause liver, heart, and kidney damage.
Mortality/Morbidity: Morbidity and mortality are related directly to trauma and burns sustained from exposure.

Burns usually are limited to areas of exposed skin (upper extremities, face). Burns frequently are second and third degree because of the rapid ignition and highly lipophilic properties of white phosphorus.
Trauma usually is a combination of blunt and penetrating. Blunt trauma results from the percussion and force of the blast, and penetrating trauma results from projectiles produced from the explosion.
Direct the physical examination toward the identification of traumatic and burn injuries. Pay particular attention to areas where phosphorus may be embedded as a result of explosion.
Fully expose the patient for the primary survey. Exercise care when handling potentially contaminated clothing to prevent secondary exposure and burns to the health care provider.
Causes: Most exposures to white phosphorus are accidental in etiology

second thing.. these bodies are already in various states of decay.. let alone burnt
are they?
claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah,

WHITE PHOSPHORUS IS NOT NAPLAM... THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEASTS... AND NAPLAM IS OLD NEWS

funny how the information came from a left wing group.. the centre of human studies..
and from rai tv which is was own by the italian president and since many italians are anti war peeps. I wouldnt hold any much water to this.

directfiesta 11-07-2005 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loxapinedreams
dude... as an ex military grunt...

You already said that in previous post ... That's twice out of 2 posts! get over it !

Quote:

Originally Posted by loxapinedreams
funny how the information came from a left wing group.. the centre of human studies..
and from rai tv which is was own by the italian president and since many italians are anti war peeps. I wouldnt hold any much water to this.


True... I should stick to FauxNews and the president ... his info is " darn good " .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


Oh, I forgot: Saddam is a bad man ; he gased his own people :1orglaugh

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:08 PM

hey direct... since your in canada.. why not go down to your local armoury.. and ask any militiamen that is working .. if they have WP hand grenades in their weapons storage. The answer will be yes.
since its a not a weapon.. canada has a shitload of them.

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:13 PM

ah.. i didnt say that bush is saying the truth.. just like pm martin is saying the truth about how a 21 million dollars is missmanaged while he is finance minister and ends up in the media hands for countering quebec separation issue..he doesnt know where it went.

For years propoganda is a key weapon during war time.. and its used by both sides to suit their own needs.

directfiesta 11-07-2005 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loxapinedreams
hey direct... since your in canada.. why not go down to your local armoury.. and ask any militiamen that is working .. if they have WP hand grenades in their weapons storage. The answer will be yes.
since its a not a weapon.. canada has a shitload of them.

Maybe they do ... I would have to find tough a " local armoury " ...

But if they do, it is not to use on a civilian population...

Now, talking of countries:

Quote:

Who are the two biggest Chemical Rogues?

Russia
United States

Anyway, kill ( i meant liberate ) the mother fuckers...

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:15 PM

and yes he did gas his own peeps..
you know who taught him how to launch gas attacks? and how use them in both offensive and defensive modes?

the usa during the iran iraq war.

FunkMachine 11-07-2005 09:19 PM

White phosphorus is not "chemical weapons". Ordinary bombs are made "of chemicals" too. Even humans are made "of chemicals". The whole universe is made "of chemicals", omfg call the UN.

"Chemical weapons" is things like nerve gas, mustard gas, tabun and sarin.

White phosphorus can be used inside buildings because it quickly fills any space with white hot burning bits of phosphorus which is pretty cool for getting rid of terrorists in an enclosed space which is what I believe they would have tried to do.

Grapesoda 11-07-2005 09:22 PM

Well, they were RIGHT !
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BTW gunpowder is a chemical, I think when they say 'chemical weapons' they really bugs and germs, not conventional weapons
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Damian_Maxcash 11-07-2005 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loxapinedreams
hey direct... since your in canada.. why not go down to your local armoury.. and ask any militiamen that is working .. if they have WP hand grenades in their weapons storage. The answer will be yes.
since its a not a weapon.. canada has a shitload of them.

Its 4am here and Im kind of lost....

What are you arguing here? That this didnt happen at all or that it was ok for it to happen because everybody else has this stuff?

Also I wonder if they had found WP in Iraq it would have been called a WMD and good enough an excuse to go to war?

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:23 PM

armoury.. is a place where the most canadian reserve units are located..
not ever town or city has a CFB in its neighbourhood.
militia is a citizen armoury group. after 68 2/3 of active military were either disbanded ( broken up and went into the history books) or went into reserve mode.

tell me your city and i will tell you three reserve units.

as to your comment the usage against civies population...
wp is not used at an offensive weapon.. period.

ex canadian armed forces weapons tech/infantry qualified.
3 battalion ROYAL CANADIAN REGIMENT
M company 8 platoon 2 section track call sign 21bravo (and i didnt get it from a movie either)

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:26 PM

oh here.. and check out who owns stockpiles of chem weapons...
they call it the poor countries nuclear weapon answer for nothing.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/index.html

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:30 PM

no i am saying that wp is not a chemical weapon nor a wmd as the left wing groups are saying inorder to make it seem a inhumane weapon.
the uk military uses as well.

and the others are right.. chemical weapon usage is mainly syn with wmd which is the more vogue term.

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:32 PM

and direct... if your so anti war ... why not protest at the gates of
CFB SUFFIELD

KRL 11-07-2005 09:32 PM

WP is not considered an offensive chemical weapon. Its commonly used by armies worldwide in military and law enforcement smoke grenades for defensive purposes in troop concealment during an attack.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m15.htm

loxapinedreams 11-07-2005 09:38 PM

and direct... if your so anti war ... why not protest at the gates of
CFB SUFFIELD in suffield alberta where the school for nuclear biological chemical conduct gas (yes gas exercises every two years) by the british military.

http://www.gateway.ualberta.ca/view.php?aid=3536
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Suffield

Triple 6 11-07-2005 09:47 PM

directfiesta=owned.

Damian_Maxcash 11-07-2005 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple 6
directfiesta=owned.

He did?

I must of missed it.....

Congrats on 5000 BTW :)

FunkMachine 11-07-2005 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple 6
directfiesta=owned.

How many times is that now?

High Quality 11-07-2005 09:51 PM

I guess Crazie Cabbie has something to bitch about from jail now.

je_rome 11-08-2005 06:04 PM

they have been doing that since the 80s

directfiesta 11-15-2005 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL
WP is not considered an offensive chemical weapon. Its commonly used by armies worldwide in military and law enforcement smoke grenades for defensive purposes in troop concealment during an attack.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m15.htm

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Posted on Tue, Nov. 15, 2005

Pentagon used white phosphorous in Iraq

ROBERT BURNS

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Pentagon officials acknowledged Tuesday that U.S. troops used white phosphorous as a weapon against insurgent strongholds during the battle of Fallujah last November. But they denied an Italian television news report that the spontaneously flammable material was used against civilians.

Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said that while white phosphorous is most frequently used to mark targets or obscure a position, it was used at times in Fallujah as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...s/13175160.htm

...............................................

Not exactly like your description, KRL ... :1orglaugh


Took the Pentagon a while to finally admit ....


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