STOP THE WAR !! ( ideas )
 

I realise this isn't an "industry " thread but here goes..

I can't help but sit here watching the news in iraq , day by day and getting very frustrated..

It seems everyone knows the iraq war is about oil , yet the war continues.
It seems everything they told us about iraq was a lie.

Its not fair to the taxpayers that we are paying for the oil companies to be richer. Its not fair americans are dying to make other americans richer.. Its unacceptable and i'm not just going to accept the fact any longer..

SOLUTIONS

The solution is very perplexing, if we pull out right now will we be hurting them even worse ? perhaps turning iraq into a breeding ground of american hatred.

Despite what some people may think , gfy holds alot of bright people, even icluding the trolls and surfers ( if they got this far they are smarter than 90% of the population )

Ok so together gfy harness's much more power than any government on earth so together we should be able to come up with a solution that will actually work..

So im calling on all those people that have sit at home and watched the terrible suffering and wished they could do something, heres your chance, i'm not even asking for you to follow through with your suggestion , only to brianstorm and come up with something.

Im looking for REAL ideas please.. i know i will get some smartass comments , but please try to be realistic with your suggestions..

Im also not looking for "simple" answers ( unless they are ). I'm looking for some ideas we as webmasters can actually institute ourselves to get the war stopped.

Also on a similar note.. I'm wondering if anyone knows a place/website to write letters to the family of soldiers killed in the iraq war. I feel i owe at least one family that and i think every american also owes them that..


p.s. thanks for your help , i realise page long threads aren't exactly the usual gfy fodder but...

I'll start off with a very simple , funny but possibly serious one..

Load up some dc-9's full of fleshlights and disperse them throughout iraq. 1 for every man woman and child, airdrop them in at the same time as the troops pull out..

could it work ?

More attention to Bush's 3rd daughter.

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You are all wrong the war was never about oil it was about freeing the Iraqi people from an evil dictator.

Hmmm well let's see now.

Either:

1. The US can spend 500 billion dollars on getting their hands on Iraqi oil by means of war, and go through a hell of a lot of hassle during the process.

2. The US can spend zero dollars on getting their hands on Iraqi oil by doing a deal with Saddam which involves lifting sanctions and letting him stay in power.

If it was about oil, which one do you think would be the more economical? Would the US spend 500 billion dollars getting something it knew it could get for free?

It was always about regime change. A costly experiment to see if democracy can be brought to that part of the world.

I dont doubt you there.. and there is much validity to what you say , but the "regime change" isn't going to work the way they are doing it anyways. Thats pretty clear, so we still do need to end the war.

Your right it was a costly experiment to see if democracy could be brought to that part of the world , but it was done obviously for $$$ not just because america thinks we should share our "great" democracy with the rest of the world because we are such good people.

As an experiment, by definition the outcome was not known when the war was started.

The war was started with good intentions and certain points must be borne in mind:

1. Democracy is the highest poilitcal system known so far. Democracies do not go to war against each other. Therefore, the Middle East is in dire need of democratisation.

2. With modern global communications, air travel, ballistic missile systems, etc, it now matters what goes on on the other side of the world. 150 years ago, it didn't matter if some people 8000 miles away were killing each other as there's no way the violence could ever reach you. Now it can. So if someone 8000 miles away says they want to harm you, you have to take them out. It's called the survival instinct. It's like if someone in the next town repeatedly said they wanted to kill your family, you would tell the police (the UN) then if the police (UN) did nothing then you can either await your fate or take matters into your own hands (kill that person yourself/ invade that country).

3. The $$$ issue was part of it, as everyone would make more money (and therefore be less inclined to start shit) if the whole world was made up of democratic capitalist societies.

4. Reasons for the war: regime change (successful), as a trigger to inspire other democracy movements throughout the world (this has been successful so far), pursuit of WMD (whether they exist or not, it was thought that they did), to fight jihadis on their own turf (becoming more successful), put oil reserves into the hands of a responsible state (on the way to being a success). Possible other "bonus" reasons: surround Iran, surround China.

5. Having the benefit of being able to comprehend to some degree the lessons of history, it is better to confront a problem earlier than later. If Iraq had not been invaded, those nukes which probably will explode in Western capitals at some point would have happened sooner rather than later.

Have the US done a good job in iraq? The US has done a reasonably good job. I think they underestimated the long term problems though. The main blame must be placed at the feet of those who were bribed to oppose the war, namely France, Russia and China, who stood to lose their retainers should Iraq and the Middle East ever become responsible states.

I feel sorry for the US. Even though President Bush is something of an idiot, if it wasn't for the US, the rest of us would be in such dire straits. The Nazis then the communists would have swept through Europe, Asia and Africa. And yet so many people around the world (especially here in Europe) portray the US as an evil empire. These are sad time we live in, where for so many people, black is white and white is black. And for that we must thank socialism, second only to Islam for making people into unintelligent, unthinking robots.

If the world was full of good people, we would not only be invading Iraq. It would also be made clear to the leaders of Sudan, Zimbabwe, Iran, North Korea, et al that either they hand power to the people or face immediate assassination. But of course, the world is not full of good people, and the US cannot be expected to do everything themselves. On one side we have the socialists and communists who are allied with the Islamofascists with the goal of destroying wealth and personal freedom and on the other, a bunch of capitalists and moralists who are too affraid to tackle the problems in case they get called "racist" or "imperialist". Such a shame. In my country, a law is about to be passed making it a criminal offense to criticise religion (especially Islam). These really are sad times. We're at a crossroads.

Well that's the end of my [sometimes off-topic] rant.

Bush has no exit strategy. Never has...likely never will. Its a big dung heap that'll be handed down to the next administration after the next election.

And anything we come up with wouldn't be enacted upon anyways. Bush is far too arrogant and egocentric to listen to anyone but the sound of his cash drawer opening and closing. And Cheney loves the fact his Haliburton stocks just keep skyrocketing (doubled since the Iraq invasion).

Its a big shit sandwich...with no end in sight.


SilentKnight

Oh, one thing I forgot to say.

Our enemies prey on our lack of conviction.

In Somalia, al Qaeda was emboldened when President Clinton pulled out the troops. Had he kept them there, it would have said "we shall not be defeated". But as it happened, the message was "if you kill some of our troops we will turn tail and run away".

Same in Iraq. If we leave, the jihadis will know they can beat us. So, we can either choose to lose a trickle of troops now or we can choose to lose alot more troops and civilians at a later date. We are fighting now in the hope that our children will not have to. Even though I don't have children of my own, if I did, I wouldn't want them to face a massive nuclear-armed Islamic Caliphate, because they would die, and not because of their own fault but because of the fault of those alive now who would rather turn tail and run in the face of the enemy.

Hmmm

I have a very simple idea.
How about someone just assasinate Bush?

these political threads are always difficult to respond to. we all mean well but we can only do so much when it comes to political power. I mean, all this ranting and raving has got everybody nowhere because the gov't still proceeds. As much as we want to help, the forces are still against us and we must do the best we can to accept that and move on HOPING that the future is brighter!! You may all have your own opinion based on my response, but I've banged my head against the wall several times over this and I still can't come to a solution for world peace, we are all just animals and I accept that now and appreciate every second I am alive because I know just like everyone else I'll be next. I'm a model citizen who cares about people but no matter what, in the end, it's all just $$$ and politics!! Take care of yourself and anyone else you can, it's a dirty game but we all must do the best we can to survive during this time of terrorism!!

Buddy,
Are they putting something into you food?

Because wow!!! Your brain has been really twisted around the propoganda.

Shit, I'm just speachless.

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well i'm not looking for world peace , just an end to "this" war :)

With that being said , like you i usually as most people get frustrated at the lack of ability to actually "do " something about it.. That was my intention of the thread to figure out a way , we as webmasters could " do" something..

When you think of it , adult webmasters run a big portion of the internet ( well not run but "are involved in" ). I think we CAN do something.. I just dont know quite what yet :) I'm not just advocating a pull-out , that would be stupid..

"the jihadis will know they can beat us" ,

They have already won.. the war is unwinnable.

Its a nice theory but we differ on the outcome..

The only way at this point to "win" would be to kill everyone , and that's an awfully funny way to install democracy :)

As our industry is currently under fire and free speech is at risk, issues related to the (illegal) war in Iraq are very relevant to free speech issues.

The media has presented only a sanitized package of what the war is about - if the population which were financing this war with their tax dollars had a more honest and graphic view of what they are funding, they may wise up enough to act and now is the best time.

I understand there is/was a website which offered soldiers free memberships in exchange for photos of dead Iraqis. This was done in a very disgusting and dehumanizing format in that it promoted hate against the Iraqis by captioning the photos with stupid remarks which only a soldier in Iraq bent on killing and feeling good about whom they are killing would gravitate to.

What was potentially a legitimate explicit insight into this ignorant war became more ammo against the adult biz because it was such an offensive approach - not the dead bodies, but the attitude towards them.

On the other hand..

I think a humanity-biased campaign of shaking up the funders of this killing game (US:26,000+ points, Iraq:2,000 points) has the potential to make some serious and honest political waves at this very time.

I believe any websites which would post photos of dead victims (Iraqi, US, Martian, whatever), but ALL sides of the casualties in the most explicit ways for the SOLE purpose of showing how disgusting and brutal war is and let the taxpayers rethink whether they want their hard earned money financing it and their once-honoured country continue being the laughing stalk of the planet.

The sites should be labelled with ICRA to indicate that they have gory detail.

The sites must not accept any considerations for obtaining the photos - this only undermines the message.

The sites must be non-partizan - this is strictly about let's stop this killing. Period.

The sites must not be used to promote their own memberships.

This must not be about turning people on with gore - it must be about turning people off with the TRUTH.

To avoid getting baited/trapped with fake photos (discreditation is the first wave of assault on any off-main-stream message) - there should be a disclaimer which makes clear that the validity of the photos is not guaranteed. At worst, it will look just like any other kid's video game you can (regrettably) buy off the shelf today. But it does reflect the messiness of killing people (which you can also watch on mainstream corporate sponsored entertainment programs/tv/movies).

The above points are not new by any standard. The mainstream media does show bombings and casualties for subjects which don't seem to undermine the agenda of the current (failing) executive.

Mainstream media even pays to obtain casualty content.

Mainstream media uses death and human misery ("if it bleads it leads") to sell ads to mainstream companies and multinationals.

In Canada, now that the Federal government is no longer partnering with the tobacco industry the way they had, we are forced to look at the most digusting real life depictions of cancerous bodies and body parts in public places (corner stores) on packages of cigarettes. Blood and guts is the vocabulary of our modern day culture.

If you question whether showing the REAL results of the american destruction of Iraq would change peoples minds, why would it be a legal offense (as it is) to publish photos of dead soldiers? National security? Respect? Right.

Even the US casualty reporting is sanitized by including only totally 100% dead counts - not the orders of magnitude more of citizens whose lives have been permanently and irreversably destroyed through serious injuries. If those numbers where posted daily in the news (before the weather report), the attitude of those who can *democratically* make a diff would change very quickly.

Anyone who is interested in working on a campaign of not-for-profit explicit real information related to this, originally promised slam dunk war (by a proven liar), is invited to contact me.

Canadian webmasters are especially invited to help our American cousins (even though they still owe us over $4 billion for softwood lumber overcharges according to the courts we be agreed to abide by in NAFTA) - we'll let their debt ride for a bit longer while they get their country back on track.

There has never been a more potent time in human history to apply technologies (Internet) as legitimate democratic agents of necessary change!

-Dino

The situation in somalia was much different. Nobody attacked any american troops from iraq.. They attacked us when we invaded them , but who wouldn't..

So, Somali militias, who massacred civilans to steal their grain shipments, have legitimate rights then do they? I would say not.

I think you missed my message. I was speaking about iraq not somalia..

Horrible things happen all over the world, thats what we have the u.n. for. The u.s.a. is not the world police.. million die in africa every year , is apathy an excuse ? should we not be invading those countries ?

Actually your mistaken on one count if it wasnt for the russians the nazi's would of won WW2. 50 mil russians died in WW2

If they want to truly fix iraq put those people to work .They have 65% unemployment, they have to bring in truck drivers from ohio, there are no iraqi's to drive trucks? Iraq is a educated country, as long as there are iraqi's with still no electric or clean water and no job. Its very hard to not have them hate us. If you have things to lose you dont want to blow yourself up. This was a cash grab very simple.

Regime change was not an original reason for invading Iraq. The original reason was WMD, and it was only after this was found to be a lie, did the white house change its spin. If you want to assert otherwise, post a link and let's look at the date.

the white house believed victory would take 90 days, and american soldiers would be greated with cheers. Pure tunnel vision. Yes it was about oil.

The US started the war; it is up to them to end it. They must withdraw. If they are very lucky, they will find other countries to do peacekeeping. But don't count on it.

The american treasury and economy is being destroyed by the massive military expenditures. High inflation is on the way. The republicans are trying to keep it at bay until after the mid terms.

The american military does not want to run the risk of another Kim Phuck photograph. The american people would turn aggressively against the war. Just about all journalists and photographers are "embeded" The military keeps a close eye on what is being said to be the truth.

I have ordered this book:

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Bill Mahar was right. americans need their press corps back.

war is good for population control....and it's also good for certain business..

Halliburton is providing the truck drivers. Lines their pockets.

Really pisses the Iraqis off.

Where is Anderson Copper?

The embargo's and such obviously were working because we attacked them before , and by your theory the "jihadists" should have been planning nuke attacks and such , but when we invaded we found they didnt have jack shit, and weren't making anything.

Now your saying we should stay because if we dont they will be pissed we invaded them in the first place when they weren't doing anything wrong.

I thought I might have. I culdn't really tell what you were trying to say so I made a guess about what I hoped you were trying to say :)

I've already said that we should be invading other states, but I also said that the US cannot do everything itself. Why can't my country (UK) invade Zimbabwe? After all, it's our ex-colony.

The UN is a joke. It failed to lift a finger to stop the Rwanda genocide. It has failed in Sudan. Also in Zimbabwe. And on and on. And of course, the UN was complicit in the complete criminal comedy which was the Oil for Food program.

The UN has a purpose, but if it cannot fullfil it's purpose then it should not be used. As a reminder, I should state that it was the UN which put China at the head of a human rights commission, Saudi Arabia at the head of a womens rights commission and Libya at the head of an anti-terrorism commission. You couldn't make it up. Maybe we shuld also put a convicted rapist at the head of an anti-rape commission and a child molester at the head of a child protection commission.

Exactly.

So many Iraqis seem to be saying these days, "We are happy that Saddam is gone", but "day to day life under Saddam was much better for us than it is now", "our lives and the lives of our children are forever ruined by this war".

Too many westerners have the mistaken view of Iraqis being ignorant people - they are NOT. They are highly educated and live 'normal' lives which would shock many US citizens if they were shown more photos of hard working honest families' homes and schools and hospitals and libraries and sacred places of spiritual worship destroyed in this american-initiated attack (instead of getting repeated reruns of a couple planes flying into some tall buildings and hearing the word terrist (as pronounced by the head monkey) 50 times each day).

To blame the 'insurgents' for the misery (and 30,000 dead Iraqis) is akin to cutting all the legs from a table and blaming the fall on gravity. The US knew it would trigger a destabilizing chain when it cut the legs from under Iraq.

This was a US-lead smash and grab. The more devasted the remains of Iraq are, the better for companies which are kissing big time butt to get the contracts to 'help' rebuild the Iraq (which america has intentionally decimated).

-Dino

No, they still would have lost. It just would have taken longer. Germany didn't have the industrial capacity to take on the US. That's what the war came down to in the end (apart of course from Hitler's disastrous tactical planning) - industrial output.

The war is only unwinnable if we chicken out and bring the troops home.

Agree but would add, the Russians brought a real fear in to the mind's of the German's. The Russians with fucking ruthless. And in Russia, it's considered fact that they won the war.

You (america) "chickened out" by sending troups to attack a country which had never attacked you (against the democratic international will and order) and your paranoid suspicion of WMD was a dellusion which has been proven beyond doubt by your own 'intelligence'.

The recent laws in Florida which seem to makes it ok to shoot with deadly force anyone who 'seems' to be a threat to you reflects the policies of the current executive.

get the footsoldiers out and bomb the shit out of them for a few months then make jeb bush prime minister

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This is the faggiest thread in a while.

Islam is at war with western civilization.

It's also at war with the Indians, Chinese, Thai, Filipinos, Central Africans, Russians...etc

Deal with it... choose a side

Its not winnable because the millions of iraqi's affected by the war will be the next generation of people who now despise us.

No matter what the outcome of the war, the children of the war will forever hate us for it..

5 and 6 year olds dont understand politics or past history of saddam hussein , all they know is their brothers and sisters were civilians killed by americans.. thats all they will remember of it.

faggy is as faggy does..

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