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  • SilentKnight
    Megan Fox's fluffer
    • Oct 2005
    • 24812

    #1

    BDSM Officially Illegal in U.S.

    Welcome to the new criminal frontier, my fellow BDSM folks!

    Its now official - BDSM is considered obscene and illegal in
    the United Dictatorship of America




    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - National Coalition for Sexual Freedom

    October 20, 2005 - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has announced
    that his office will specifically target "bestiality, urination,
    defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior" in
    pursuing new obscenity prosecutions. The Department of Justice began
    recruiting in late July for a new anti-obscenity squad to pursue
    obscenity prosecutions, and the FBI announced in September that it
    was forming an anti-obscenity task force to crack down on
    pornography.

    Any website that has content containing "bestiality, urination,
    defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior" should be
    forewarned that prosecution is possible. Additionally, Federal
    sentencing guidelines state that any obscenity-related punishment
    should be "enhanced for sadomasochistic material."

    Forty people and businesses have been convicted of obscenity since
    2001, and 20 additional indictments are pending according to Andrew
    Oosterbaan, chief of the Justice Department's child exploitation and
    obscenity section. There were only four obscenity prosecutions during
    the eight years of the Clinton administration.

    Though adult content is, in theory, protected by the First Amendment,
    only a jury can determine if a work is obscene or not under the
    subjective set of standards that vary from one community to the next
    established in the 1973 Supreme Court ruling, Miller v. California.

    Text is not inherently more protected than images when it comes to
    obscenity charges. The erotic fiction website Red Rose Stories is
    facing obscenity charges after federal agents raided the owner's
    home on October 3rd, taking computer equipment and diskettes that
    contained all of their files and site information.

    The Department of Justice is clearly hoping that websites will
    self-censor or remove their content entirely. Midori, a fetish model
    and SM educator who teaches classes on bondage, has removed her
    website, BeautyBound.com, citing fear of obscenity prosecution. The
    owner of three SM websites, known as GrandPa eSade, removed his
    websites from the Internet. SuicideGirls.com also announced they are
    self-censoring their materials over concerns about a possible
    obscenity crackdown.

    Recent prosecutions of obscenity on websites include: A former police
    officer in Lakeland, Florida, was arrested on October 7th on over 300
    obscenity-related charges for the sexual content posted on his
    website. The same day, webmaster Chris Wilson, owner of amateur
    website NowThatsFuckedUp.com, was raided on charges of obscenity by
    a local Sheriff's office.

    "I think it's crucial for us to stand up for consensual sadomasochism
    and other alternative sexual practices," says Barbara Nitke, fetish
    photographer. "This is a battle worth fighting, and I hope everyone
    who can will just censor out the most provocative material from their
    websites, but keep them up. I also appeal to the lawyers in our
    community to help us find ways to keep people's websites up."

    Barbara Nitke and the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF)
    have proactively challenged federal obscenity laws as applied to the
    Internet, arguing that obscenity laws based on "local community
    standards" are too vague and their existence burdens protected
    speech, resulting in self-censorship due to the fear of prosecution.
    A district court three-judge panel in New York ruled that while
    Nitke and the NCSF members were at risk, more proof was needed that
    obscenity laws cause otherwise protected speech to be restrained
    through acts of self-censorship. The case is currently on appeal to
    the United States Supreme Court.

    "The effect of silencing alternative lifestyle speech was exactly
    why we brought the lawsuit," says attorney John Wirenius, lead
    counsel for NCSF. "The self-censorship we are seeing underscores the
    importance of supporting our ongoing obscenity challenge."

    To contribute to the appeal of the CDA lawsuit, go to:
    www.ncsfreedom.org/donations.htm

    National Coalition for Sexual Freedom - www.ncsfreedom.org
    Barbara Nitke - www.barbaranitke.com

    ###

    Contact:
    Susan Wright, NCSF Spokesperson
    (917) 848-6544

    A project of NCSF

    The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom is a national organization
    committed to creating a political, legal, and social environment in
    the United States that advances equal rights of consenting adults who
    practice forms of alternative sexual expression. NCSF is primarily
    focused on the rights of consenting adults in the SM-leather-fetish,
    swing, and polyamory communities, who often face discrimination
    because of their sexual expression.

    National Coalition for Sexual Freedom
    822 Guilford Avenue, Box 127
    Baltimore, MD 21202-3707
    410-539-4824
  • Screaming
    I can change this!!!!!
    • Feb 2004
    • 18972

    #2
    i really dont know what to say, its like i cant believe it, even though i agree but still it is peoples rights

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    • Aquarius
      Confirmed User
      • May 2004
      • 4754

      #3
      woohaa, this is gonna get ugly

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      • xclusive
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Apr 2004
        • 35218

        #4
        we are so fucked

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        • rockbear
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2003
          • 806

          #5
          Damn a lot of site and content going to be removed for the next days.

          But I agree with that "bestiality, urination,
          defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior"

          I personally never played with that stuff and never will.

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          • Aquarius
            Confirmed User
            • May 2004
            • 4754

            #6
            Originally posted by rockbear
            Damn a lot of site and content going to be removed for the next days.

            But I agree with that "bestiality, urination,
            defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior"

            I personally never played with that stuff and never will.
            pussy

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            • BlackCrayon
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jun 2003
              • 19634

              #7
              whats next? bdsm groups will be spied on and arrested? this shit is flying out of control faster than i think most people thought it would.
              you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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              • AmateurFlix
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2004
                • 7762

                #8
                this will probably get shot down at the first trial for free speech reasons

                just another scare tactic from one of the crackhead bush's lackeys

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                • After Shock Media
                  It's coming look busy
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 35299

                  #9
                  This shall be a big thread.
                  Im just posting now so that when I return I can easily find it again and give my opinions.

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                  • Doctor Dre
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 51692

                    #10
                    Let's see how far this will go...
                    Originally posted by rayadp05
                    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                    • poppet
                      Just call me Tala! :)
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 1499

                      #11
                      Well hell. Land of the free my ass.
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                      • RRRED
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 6754

                        #12
                        Does sadistic include where the girls get slapped across the face while having sex too?

                        Just curious... I saw something like that earlier today and it pissed me off. I don't like content like that.

                        It will be interesting how specific the guidelines will be though.

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                        • Dirty F
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 59204

                          #13
                          Another great move from the land of the free.

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                          • Jman
                            Already an AI veteran
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 22832

                            #14
                            Damn ......... fucking Regim in the US or what.
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                            • Jimmer
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                              • Mar 2002
                              • 878

                              #15
                              Good thing we are in Canada
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                              • poppet
                                Just call me Tala! :)
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 1499

                                #16
                                Originally posted by rockbear
                                Damn a lot of site and content going to be removed for the next days.

                                But I agree with that "bestiality, urination,
                                defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior"

                                I personally never played with that stuff and never will.
                                So just because you don't like it means that no one else should be able to enjoy it? I may not be into scat or golden showers, but hey, whatever floats someone else's boat is fine with me.

                                The only thing I DON'T agree with is anything that is non-consensual, meaning anything that involves rape, kids and/or animals.
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                                • Big_Daddy
                                  Registered User
                                  • Oct 2005
                                  • 60

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by poppet
                                  So just because you don't like it means that no one else should be able to enjoy it? I may not be into scat or golden showers, but hey, whatever floats someone else's boat is fine with me.

                                  The only thing I DON'T agree with is anything that is non-consensual, meaning anything that involves rape, kids and/or animals.

                                  Very nice and right to the point. I agree 100%
                                  5 days till launch.....

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                                  • Pleasurepays
                                    BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 11913

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by poppet
                                    So just because you don't like it means that no one else should be able to enjoy it? I may not be into scat or golden showers, but hey, whatever floats someone else's boat is fine with me.

                                    The only thing I DON'T agree with is anything that is non-consensual, meaning anything that involves rape, kids and/or animals.
                                    welcome to democracy. people elect people who make the laws to appease those who voted for them. if thats not agreeable to you, there are many places to live where you will not have to be subject to the will of the majority.

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                                    • CynthiaB
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2005
                                      • 1274

                                      #19
                                      "sadistic and masochistic behavior"

                                      Does this include all of Cybernetbucks sites - WhippedAss, Hogtied, etc. Does it include Bondage? What's bad about these terms unlike "bestiality, urination,defecation,", the words are subjective. I know what urination is but how far does bondage have to go to be masochistic?

                                      Cyn

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                                      • erraticimpact
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 137

                                        #20
                                        ok.. beastiality, urination and defecation I can understand... but how are they going to draw the line on sado-masochistic behavior? I mean, are they going to consider even velvet cuffs obscene? the net is once again going to be thrown WAY to wide to the detriment of many ppl... and for WHAT?!! it's complete insanity running from one fad to the next...

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                                        • poppet
                                          Just call me Tala! :)
                                          • Sep 2005
                                          • 1499

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                          welcome to democracy. people elect people who make the laws to appease those who voted for them. if thats not agreeable to you, there are many places to live where you will not have to be subject to the will of the majority.
                                          See, this isn't a democracy. It's a farce. King George II at work.
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                                          • Fletch XXX
                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 60840

                                            #22
                                            glad i live in california, we should be our own country

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                                            • erraticimpact
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 137

                                              #23
                                              it just blows my mind how backward they are, the complete kneejerk hypocrisy. I just know this will affect light innocent BDSM play between adults in private... if not immediately then fairly soon... I mean even oral sex between husband and wife no less is still illegal in some states!! it's unbelievable.. I can't bring it to words...

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                                              • pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Oct 2005
                                                • 5133

                                                #24
                                                Goes back to what I said in another thread.

                                                people better learn to stick together the porn industry should fight this tooth and nail as a whole even if thats not your thing

                                                your freedoms are being taken away piece by piece best to put an end to this shit now before it comes your way.

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                                                • AmateurFlix
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                  • 7762

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by erraticimpact
                                                  it just blows my mind how backward they are
                                                  "backward" isn't even the proper term for it

                                                  Go look at magazine covers from the 1920's to mid 1950's, bondage imagery was a somewhat common theme even way back then in the US.

                                                  I guess that swingin' 20's era was just a little much for their morals

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                                                  • erraticimpact
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                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                    • 137

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                    "backward" isn't even the proper term for it

                                                    Go look at magazine covers from the 1920's to mid 1950's, bondage imagery was a somewhat common theme even way back then in the US.

                                                    I guess that swingin' 20's era was just a little much for their morals

                                                    very true... I don't mean backward in the time sense though

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                                                    • Wiggles
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 14423

                                                      #27
                                                      still legal in Canada
                                                      no sig

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                                                      • pornmonger
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2005
                                                        • 330

                                                        #28
                                                        doesn't help that there was a bsdm photographer that killed that Canadian model last year during a shoot.
                                                        http://www.mypornoreview.com

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                                                        • SilentKnight
                                                          Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                          • 24812

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pornmonger
                                                          doesn't help that there was a bsdm photographer that killed that Canadian model last year during a shoot.
                                                          The Natel King murder was truly tragic in many ways. It was also depressing how the media jumped all over the story as soon as they heard the words 'bondage' and 'fetish'.

                                                          Its not as if she was the first person in the adult entertainment industry to have ever been killed - but the media exploited it as if to say BDSM was the reason for her demise. It wasn't. The psycho photographer was the reason. But that's not the way it played out in the media.


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                                                          • SilentKnight
                                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                            • 24812

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                            welcome to democracy. people elect people who make the laws to appease those who voted for them. if thats not agreeable to you, there are many places to live where you will not have to be subject to the will of the majority.
                                                            Its ludicrous to even suggest that George W. Bush represents the will of the majority in this issue. So by that logic...more than 50% of Americans are content to slip back in to a draconian era of censorship and persecution of civil liberties?


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                                                            • Pleasurepays
                                                              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                              • 11913

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by poppet
                                                              See, this isn't a democracy. It's a farce. King George II at work.
                                                              it wasn't a conspiracy where people were being prosecuted under Clinton? was it a conspiracy in Vancouver for all the prosecutions they have seen over the years?? you can cry all you want but the fact of the matter is that this is democracy at work. people can cry out and try to change things... but you know what? as much as you dont want to admit it... no one really cares if some guy writing stories about 6 month old children goes to jail. is that because of Bush? is the lack of outrage because of some big government conspiracy? the simple truth is that no one cares... more people will attack these types of behavior than will defend it. that has nothing to do with Bush.

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                                                              • Spunky
                                                                I need a beer
                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                • 133978

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Jimmer
                                                                Good thing we are in Canada
                                                                We are next on the hit list..nobody is immune

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                                                                • pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                  • 5133

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Spunky
                                                                  We are next on the hit list..nobody is immune
                                                                  exactly.........unless you stop the train before it gets to your stop.

                                                                  its better to beat the bully up from behind while he attacks the next guy then fight him head on

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                                                                  • Linkster
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                    • 3216

                                                                    #34
                                                                    First off - Id love to see a link to that statement by the attorney general - as I sure cant find one and since its given as fact it better be able to be backed up
                                                                    Second - someone needs to check the facts inthis press release as it makes it sound like there were two different arrests in Lakeland and both refer to the same person
                                                                    As far as Im concerned this is just another "the sky is falling" post till you can prove otherwise
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                                                                    • AmateurFlix
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                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                      • 7762

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                      First off - Id love to see a link to that statement by the attorney general - as I sure cant find one and since its given as fact it better be able to be backed up
                                                                      Second - someone needs to check the facts inthis press release as it makes it sound like there were two different arrests in Lakeland and both refer to the same person
                                                                      As far as Im concerned this is just another "the sky is falling" post till you can prove otherwise
                                                                      interesting that this article doesn't even appear on the main page of the site it's credited to http://www.ncsfreedom.org/

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                                                                      • ArcherJanvier
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                        • 194

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Well, you know how it is in the US, if you are too fucking stupid to get a real job here, you can always work for the US Government.

                                                                        Good old "Alberto" is lucky if he gets $125 - $150K a year which really ain't pig shit to a what "real" lawyer can make on just one good fee.

                                                                        So do you really expect anything competant to come out of his mouth?

                                                                        I must say though that I really have never understood the peeing thing, but if someone is into it, WTF. Live and let live.

                                                                        What I really do have a problem with, and which, I think really sets these government idiots off, is the way BDSM sites are done on the web.

                                                                        I personally don't do any gay sites, not because I have any prejudices, I have many gay friends and several gay relatives, but plain and simple, I have no empathy for the material, and it wouldn't sell because I really don't understand it and wouldn't do it right.

                                                                        My point: Look at the BDSM sites that are out there right now. They totally suck ass because they are mainly done by people that simply don't have a fucking clue. Just another site in the portfolio to promote.

                                                                        With only one exception, I have yet to see a bondage site that has anything to do with sex. They are usually only about pain, torture, and rape.

                                                                        Porn is supposed to be about sex, fucking, getting fucked, and getting off (not necessarily in that order - LOL). So simple, even the morons in the US Government can figure it out.

                                                                        Regards All,

                                                                        Archer

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                                                                        • ArcherJanvier
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                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                          • 194

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                          glad i live in california, we should be our own country
                                                                          Last time I looked, you already are.

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                                                                          • ArcherJanvier
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                                                                            • Sep 2005
                                                                            • 194

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Sorry Fletch XXX that wasn't intended to be a cut.

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                                                                            • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                              A freakin' legend!
                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                              • 18975

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I like GWB, but this is a very misguided initiative.

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                                                                              • Pleasurepays
                                                                                BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 11913

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                Its ludicrous to even suggest that George W. Bush represents the will of the majority in this issue. So by that logic...more than 50% of Americans are content to slip back in to a draconian era of censorship and persecution of civil liberties?


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                                                                                really? i would say that by your logic, the entire country should be up in arms and pissed off... but they aren't. aint that strange?

                                                                                besides, i seriously doubt that Bush is sitting in his office browsing porn sites and comes across red rose stories and demands that it be shut down. thats basically what you are implying or suggesting.

                                                                                not only that.. but the laws that these people are being prosecuted under are not new. Bush did not dream them up. is that his fault too?
                                                                                Last edited by Pleasurepays; 10-20-2005, 08:43 PM.

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                                                                                • dcortez
                                                                                  DINO CORTEZâ„¢
                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                  • 2145

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by CynthiaB
                                                                                  "sadistic and masochistic behavior"

                                                                                  Does this include all of Cybernetbucks sites - WhippedAss, Hogtied, etc. Cyn
                                                                                  CybernetBucks puts out the *best* *classy* high quality content and it does it in a way which makes it clear that *everyone* involved is consenting and has a real desire to do what they do -- this is the only way edgy stuff should be put out there.

                                                                                  I have always admired how they package their scenes and conduct themselves in the BDSM niche.

                                                                                  If this obviously consentual material between adults is disallowed, then the US is in serious trouble as far it's place in the world with respect to free speech in civillized first world nations.

                                                                                  This is going way too far!

                                                                                  How long are Americans going to allow this??

                                                                                  In Canada, we have had recent milestone rulings (thanks to some outfits which toughed it out at considerable expense) which recognize that consentual BDSM (even with explicit sexuality) among adults is a legitimate and legal form of adult sexuality.

                                                                                  -Dino

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                                                                                  • dcortez
                                                                                    DINO CORTEZâ„¢
                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                    • 2145

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by pornmonger
                                                                                    doesn't help that there was a bsdm photographer that killed that Canadian model last year during a shoot.
                                                                                    Yah right. By that logic then, religion should be made illegal because of all the children who have been raped by clergy.

                                                                                    I bet you more kids have been sexually abused by 'men of the cloth' than models harmed by adult photographers.

                                                                                    -Dino

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                                                                                    • budz
                                                                                      Disruptive Innovator
                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                      • 4230

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      goddamn, lets impeach the fucker already :x
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                                                                                      • SilentKnight
                                                                                        Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                        • 24812

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                        really? i would say that by your logic, the entire country should be up in arms and pissed off... but they aren't. aint that strange?
                                                                                        You can point out where I made that assertion?
                                                                                        besides, i seriously doubt that Bush is sitting in his office browsing porn sites and comes across red rose stories and demands that it be shut down. thats basically what you are implying or suggesting.
                                                                                        And this simplistic implication was made...where?
                                                                                        not only that.. but the laws that these people are being prosecuted under are not new. Bush did not dream them up. is that his fault too?
                                                                                        And who said the laws are new and that Bush dreamed them up?

                                                                                        So far you're 3 of 3 for things I never said.

                                                                                        But rather than let you carry on mistakenly attempting to put words in my mouth...

                                                                                        What I AM saying - Bush is responsible for repeatedly appointing Attorney Generals with the common mandate of applying pressure to the collective adult entertainment industry...based on his own underlying religious beliefs and what he wrongly believes are the same beliefs shared by the majority. In fact, all he is doing is pandering to a minority of religious fundamentalists - the squeaky wheels who have enough spare time on their hands to effectively lobby their case to a sympathetic ear.

                                                                                        Not to mention it all makes a convenient political smokescreen for Shrub - what he hopes will be a diversion from the fact that public sentiment concerning the war on terrorism overseas is beginning to turn against him...coupled with the U.S. economy going straight down the shitter. He desperately needs a victory...somewhere...anywhere. And with the fundamentalists cheering him on from their lofty soapbox perspectives - `ole George declares war on law-abiding, taxpaying (and voting) pornographers. You see, George couldn't find Bin Laden. He can't install democracy in Iraq. He can't fix the economy (just like his daddy). Terrorists are still on the loose.

                                                                                        But Shrub is shrewd this time...he knows where to find his newly-minted porn arch-enemies and in what direction to dispatch his appointed henchmen. Its all right there in 2257.

                                                                                        And while Mr. Bush is busy rallying the porn stormtroopers in the hopes of satisfying the stiff-necked bible-thumpers...those of us north of the border are also busy devising our own battle plans - part of which involves securing alternative non-U.S. webhosting, and thus taking revenues out of the hands of our American webhosting cousins.

                                                                                        Attaboy, George. Yipey-aye-eh...go get`em cowboy!


                                                                                        SilentKnight

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                                                                                        • tony299
                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 57021

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          where are all the bush supporters to say how this is all in our minds? lol

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                                                                                          • selena
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                            • 7995

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                                            First off - Id love to see a link to that statement by the attorney general - as I sure cant find one and since its given as fact it better be able to be backed up
                                                                                            Second - someone needs to check the facts inthis press release as it makes it sound like there were two different arrests in Lakeland and both refer to the same person
                                                                                            As far as Im concerned this is just another "the sky is falling" post till you can prove otherwise

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                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 57021

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              would rope bondage fit that or a mistress maid scenerio. I have very little of that niche on my site but if it could cause bullshit I would rather get rid of it.

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                                                                                              • ArcherJanvier
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                                • 194

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by dcortez
                                                                                                CybernetBucks puts out the *best* *classy* high quality content and it does it in a way which makes it clear that *everyone* involved is consenting and has a real desire to do what they do -- this is the only way edgy stuff should be put out there.

                                                                                                I have always admired how they package their scenes and conduct themselves in the BDSM niche.

                                                                                                If this obviously consentual material between adults is disallowed, then the US is in serious trouble as far it's place in the world with respect to free speech in civillized first world nations.

                                                                                                This is going way too far!

                                                                                                How long are Americans going to allow this??

                                                                                                In Canada, we have had recent milestone rulings (thanks to some outfits which toughed it out at considerable expense) which recognize that consentual BDSM (even with explicit sexuality) among adults is a legitimate and legal form of adult sexuality.

                                                                                                -Dino
                                                                                                Dino,

                                                                                                Wake up and smell the coffee,
                                                                                                Your points about free speech are admirable and I agree with them, but defending Peter and his crock of scum as "classy" is way, way off the mark.

                                                                                                Hogtied, WaterBondage, and his other crap are NOT BDSM, they are SADISM plain sweet and simple. Models have been seriously hurt and almost killed doing this stupid shit. I know several of them personally. For what? Sorry Man, Been in this biz for a long, long time. This is a guy (photographer) just getting his jollies by hurting people - seen it way too many times.

                                                                                                Is it any wonder that he has made himself a target?

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                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                  BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 11913

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                                  You can point out where I made that assertion?

                                                                                                  And this simplistic implication was made...where?

                                                                                                  And who said the laws are new and that Bush dreamed them up?

                                                                                                  So far you're 3 of 3 for things I never said.

                                                                                                  But rather than let you carry on mistakenly attempting to put words in my mouth...

                                                                                                  What I AM saying - Bush is responsible for repeatedly appointing Attorney Generals with the common mandate of applying pressure to the collective adult entertainment industry...based on his own underlying religious beliefs and what he wrongly believes are the same beliefs shared by the majority. In fact, all he is doing is pandering to a minority of religious fundamentalists - the squeaky wheels who have enough spare time on their hands to effectively lobby their case to a sympathetic ear.

                                                                                                  Not to mention it all makes a convenient political smokescreen for Shrub - what he hopes will be a diversion from the fact that public sentiment concerning the war on terrorism overseas is beginning to turn against him...coupled with the U.S. economy going straight down the shitter. He desperately needs a victory...somewhere...anywhere. And with the fundamentalists cheering him on from their lofty soapbox perspectives - `ole George declares war on law-abiding, taxpaying (and voting) pornographers. You see, George couldn't find Bin Laden. He can't install democracy in Iraq. He can't fix the economy (just like his daddy). Terrorists are still on the loose.

                                                                                                  But Shrub is shrewd this time...he knows where to find his newly-minted porn arch-enemies and in what direction to dispatch his appointed henchmen. Its all right there in 2257.

                                                                                                  And while Mr. Bush is busy rallying the porn stormtroopers in the hopes of satisfying the stiff-necked bible-thumpers...those of us north of the border are also busy devising our own battle plans - part of which involves securing alternative non-U.S. webhosting, and thus taking revenues out of the hands of our American webhosting cousins.

                                                                                                  Attaboy, George. Yipey-aye-eh...go get`em cowboy!


                                                                                                  SilentKnight

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                                                                                                  dude... again.. "bush is responsible for..." ok... whatever. as i have said, this is democracy at work. Its not like the guy is illegally creating secret kill squads who sneak around in the night and slit the throats of pornographers. they are working within the law, creating new laws and prosecutors are enforcing existing laws. thats how the system is supposed to work.

                                                                                                  if people dont like it... they can change it. my point is that obviously not too many people seem to want to change it. and ... thats how a democracy works.

                                                                                                  i understand what you are saying... and as i keep saying, you are describing the political process at work. it seems to be working. if a fucking nutcase has a whacked agenda that no one agrees with.. the its up to people to get upset about it and voice their opinions, at which point they generally back down, laws are rescinded or repealed or modified and so on.

                                                                                                  and i dont think he beleives his religious beliefs are those of the majority. i think he is doing what he believes is right. i dont agree with it and think he is an idiot... but that does not change the fact that this is a democracy at work, the laws were already on the books and therefore the threat of prosecution has ALWAYS been a real threat and this round of prosecutions is not the first under existing obscenity laws.

                                                                                                  Bush is a dipshit, but its pretty shallow and shortsighted to blame all your frustration on him. If someone is trading free porn for pics of war dead or writing stories about a guy fingering a 6 month old.. i think its quite reasonable to expect to be called on it by a bunch of religious idiots in small christian shithole in a florida swamp... and Miller vs California gives them the right to decide what is ok and what isn't. Bush did not give them that power.

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                                                                                                  • SilentKnight
                                                                                                    Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                                                    • 24812

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    As long as you're happy with your interpretation of reality, that's all that really matters, right?

                                                                                                    Meanwhile, I have business to attend to. Rumour has it there's some fundamentalists down the street that badly need corrupting.

                                                                                                    Thanks for playing.


                                                                                                    SilentKnight

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