Google Adwords - Is there an easy way to find out what the number 1 spot is bidding?

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  • NoCarrier
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    • Mar 2002
    • 16356

    #1

    Google Adwords - Is there an easy way to find out what the number 1 spot is bidding?

    I need to know the amount the #1 spot is bidding..

    Is there a software to verify this? Or the only option is manually checking?
  • pr0phet
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 1041

    #2
    set your maximum cpc to $50 that will tell you what you have to bid to get #1
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    • NoCarrier
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      • Mar 2002
      • 16356

      #3
      Originally posted by pr0phet
      set your maximum cpc to $50 that will tell you what you have to bid to get #1
      I don't get it.. If the number 1 spot is currently 10$ and I bid 50$, how am I going to find out that number 1 is bidding 10$? All that's going to do, is me being #1

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      • pr0phet
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2005
        • 1041

        #4
        Originally posted by NoCarrier
        I don't get it.. If the number 1 spot is currently 10$ and I bid 50$, how am I going to find out that number 1 is bidding 10$?
        No you dont actally bid $50, what you do is go to traffic estimator, bid the maxiumum and it will tell you what the #1's are bidding.
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        • Thumbler
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          • Feb 2004
          • 4076

          #5
          The number one spot isn't necessarily the highest bidder

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          • pr0phet
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2005
            • 1041

            #6
            Here's a better way of putting it. Theres no way to find out how much #1 is bidding because of CTR, however if u want the best estimate....
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            • AdultEUhost
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              • Oct 2005
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              #7
              I believe there is actually a tool within the adwords area where you can see the spot you will be placed with the given PPC
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              • GeorgeK
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                • Dec 2003
                • 423

                #8
                Thumbler is correct, as the ranking also factors in clickthrough rates. Someone bidding $1/click with a 1% clickthrough rate will likely show up below someone else with a 50 cents/click bid but with a 10% clickthrough rate.

                You can see Overture bids at:

                http://uv.bidtool.overture.com/d/search/tools/bidtool/

                although they can be very different from Google.
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                • NoCarrier
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                  • Mar 2002
                  • 16356

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pr0phet
                  No you dont actally bid $50, what you do is go to traffic estimator, bid the maxiumum and it will tell you what the #1's are bidding.
                  It doesn't work. I don't understand what you mean.

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                  • pr0phet
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1041

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GeorgeK
                    Thumbler is correct, as the ranking also factors in clickthrough rates. Someone bidding $1/click with a 1% clickthrough rate will likely show up below someone else with a 50 cents/click bid but with a 10% clickthrough rate.

                    You can see Overture bids at:

                    http://uv.bidtool.overture.com/d/search/tools/bidtool/

                    although they can be very different from Google.
                    That is true the formula is

                    Your Bid X CTR = Your ranking

                    HOWEVER, probability wise, usually the highest bidder has the highest rankings.
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                    • pr0phet
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 1041

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NoCarrier
                      It doesn't work. I don't understand what you mean.
                      ok go to the traffic estimator

                      put in your keywords
                      make sure you do ""'s and []'s for all of them

                      then as your bid enter $50, look at the CPC that google gives you, that is what the highest bidder is paying. Not extremely accurate but gives you a good estimator.
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                      • pr0phet
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 1041

                        #12
                        there's absolutely no way to know what the CTR is of the person who has the #1 spot so really this is the best estimate youll get
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                        • juve20
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                          • Feb 2005
                          • 2542

                          #13
                          not 100% sure but its not best to get top spot if your just sarting out i.e. on a buget! the top spots get all the spammy clicks wasting you money!

                          tony
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                          • NoCarrier
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                            • Mar 2002
                            • 16356

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pr0phet
                            That is true the formula is

                            Your Bid X CTR = Your ranking

                            HOWEVER, probability wise, usually the highest bidder has the highest rankings.
                            Well, it's a new ad and he is now #1. So I guess CTR does not count. I know he's bidding an insane amount, so far I bid 75 cents and I am still number two. I want to bid one cent lower than his max CPC.

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                            • pr0phet
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 1041

                              #15
                              Oh yes and one more thing, in the traffic estimator google estimates ~%1 CTR
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                              • pr0phet
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 1041

                                #16
                                Originally posted by juve20
                                not 100% sure but its not best to get top spot if your just sarting out i.e. on a buget! the top spots get all the spammy clicks wasting you money!

                                tony
                                agreed infact the best spots are usually 3-4
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                                • Thumbler
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 4076

                                  #17
                                  The google traffic estimator is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike

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                                  • pr0phet
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2005
                                    • 1041

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Thumbler
                                    The google traffic estimator is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike
                                    blasphemy!

                                    nah youre right heh...
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                                    • Beejeebers
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 290

                                      #19
                                      Yep there is no accurate way to determine what anybody is bidding on adwords. The traffic guesstimator is crap, don't believe it. I once bid $120 just for shits and giggles on a very competitive keyword, thinking I'd be number one and no way adwords would actually charge me that much...

                                      Well 2 clicks later, I paid $109 per click for a total of $218 for TWO clicks and the kicker is I was in the FOURTH spot for that keyword.

                                      Adrank is determined by CTR x QSA x Bid x the number of times some guy in japan with the last name Wang farted and it smelled like eggs on January 3rd, 1987. It's not possible to figure out on purpose so they can bend you over repeatedly and all you can do is go to overture. (not that I'm bitter...)

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                                      • pr0phet
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2005
                                        • 1041

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Beejeebers
                                        Yep there is no accurate way to determine what anybody is bidding on adwords. The traffic guesstimator is crap, don't believe it. I once bid $120 just for shits and giggles on a very competitive keyword, thinking I'd be number one and no way adwords would actually charge me that much...

                                        Well 2 clicks later, I paid $109 per click for a total of $218 for TWO clicks and the kicker is I was in the FOURTH spot for that keyword.

                                        Adrank is determined by CTR x QSA x Bid x the number of times some guy in japan with the last name Wang farted and it smelled like eggs on January 3rd, 1987. It's not possible to figure out on purpose so they can bend you over repeatedly and all you can do is go to overture. (not that I'm bitter...)
                                        overture has their own issues
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                                        • Thumbler
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 4076

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Beejeebers
                                          Well 2 clicks later, I paid $109 per click for a total of $218 for TWO clicks and the kicker is I was in the FOURTH spot for that keyword.
                                          Wow, that's an expensive lesson

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                                          • bdld
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                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 11452

                                            #22
                                            forget CPC its all about CTR

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