I think that designers who charge full price for "reality" tours are thieves
 

Theres quite a difference between copy and pasting one template (worth 150 bucks) and designing a 3 or 4 page tour. Charging the same price is ridiculous.

Pretty much its all copy and paste

Haha some of the well known assholes here tried to charge me $300 for a gallery template because it's being used for a webcam site.

also, the Boeing 747s wing tips can flex 26 feet before they snap off.

So just ask for a template, and do the rest yourself...
then you can quit bitching about it.

Bah!
Design prices have been tanked anyways.

On average, 12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents, daily.

Don't think so much you might hurt something.

if u can do good reality site design for 150 bucks
i am sure u can have tons of clients and earn millions

try it

I agree - designers should work for nothing and give away templates so broke ass wanna-be webmasters can afford a design for their website - you cheap ass ductch dickhead.

you get what you pay for. prices are to low imo.

have thought about the same thing, and came to same conclusion as you

Damn, that's alot.

...What he said...

Stfu you moron kuntwhore ape. I have no problems paying for designs. Im just saying reality tours are 1/5 of the work of a normal tour yet they charge 5/5.

How fucking hard is that to understand.

Listen cumface who said designers should work for free or that normal tours are overpriced? Can you fucking read?

Wrong .

A reality tour is just as much work .
Usually a reality tour is alot longer and requires more work than the usual style tour .

More content to insert into the design , more time coming up with text that will " sell " the reality , more time formatting text , creating a story or theme etc etc .

Alot more time goes into the layout of those than the design , so in the end it looks to be less work and truely isnt .

I do charge less though if I don't have to install content , text etc .

What I do find funny is that people base the cost of design on how long it takes .. this isn't what determines cost , what determines cost is the fact that the designer " usually " has a talent and can produce a site that most regular people couldn't , even if they had photoshop knowlegde .

and I think that companies that use foreign designers would rather line their pockets with cash than help the american economy

^^ what he said.

LOL...

Fuck design, I wont do it anymore unless its for somthing I do for my own projects.
Tired of broke ass bitches stepping upto me then haggle the price.

WTF...
$325.00 for a tour today is not even fucking worth the time...

It was lucrative when I could charge 1K or even better in the early day 4K.

I spit 325.00-500.00 and definatly can do without it at this point. It's not worth the hassle. I have upgraded in alot of ways, and have more skills than 90% of the imbecilles that frequent this place.

Now I know how to use em.
And it sure is fuck not about selling myself cheap but not selling myself at all.

read machine gun kelly and alienq's replies.

then come back with a fucking clue you clueless cheap ass wood shoe wearing fruit.

Says the guy with "NEED DESIGN?" in his sig.

Yep :disgust

Whats up with the Dutch hating? You have some issues towards us Dutchies?

I agree with kelly if thats really the case. Sadly enough most designers dont work that way yet they charge that way.
Maybe for a few designers a reality tour is the same work or even more work but for most its a joke and i bet theyre laughing when they get 1500 bucks for a template and a logo.

If you dont understand this then you are still the retard ape i called you before.

http://www.webinc.com/portfolio/webs...tayafterclass/

I wonder what this cost. I bet the sample pics took em ages right?

I surely hope someone didnt pay 1500 for this but got a good price for the template:
http://www.webinc.com/portfolio/webs...hebigswallowb/

http://www.zuzanadesigns.com/prices.html
Reality design - 700 bucks for 1 logo, 1 template, 1 join
Thats as much work as 3 half page ads which are prices 60 bucks. Or in the worst case 3 fpa's which are 100 each.

http://envisionextadultlite.com/web_design_prices.html
1 splash 1 tour page (= 1 template) 1 join $999 give me a fucking break!
Oh wait! Ofcourse its because they have to crop all the pics and write text:
http://envisionextadultlite.com/web_design_prices.html

Need more random examples of what im talking about?

http://www.envisionextadult.com/PAY_SITES/plumbings/

Im having trouble to find a design company who crops all the pics and writes text.

Jonesy idiot is acting like i said something really moronic in the first post and uses Kelly's response as an example. Yup Kelly was right if designers actually worked that way...most of them dont.

i like your work alot :thumbsup
Cheers

http://www.reflectedideas.com/works/happy/

I wonder what this cost? 400? For 1 logo and 1 template?

a design is a design. It shouldn't matter what you are designing for the price is the price. If you want a cheap ass design go open...

fuck whats that free microshit stuff they give away?

oh yeah frontpage and do it your fucking self.

Its no wonder I stopped designing pages for people and stopped helping them with their fucking codes. You want a design payfor it.

I agree completely which is why i farm my work off to india!

Im just pointing out that ordering 10 fpa's costs you 1000 and and is 8 times more work than what most designers sell as a "reality" design for 1k.

http://www.gocalipso.com/aircraft/boeing747/facts.php

a good reading!

Franck, I have recently had work completed for me by both MGK and AlienQ. Both took the time and care to select the correct photo's for the job and write appropriate text for the situations. Both designers prices were what I consider very fair for the work performed. And in all honestly they were able to do something that I couldn't, thus I feel they were worth every penny.

Designer selection is Key IMHO. I see way to many designers producing tours that look like a poor imatation of a better tour. Cheaper isn't always better. Some guys produce designs that sell. Others produce cheap designs ( and I'm not speaking of price)

and to address the "time" issue someone mentioned. If I order a design and it's what I asked for and what I needed. I don't care if the designer could do it in 15minutes. In fact if the quality is there I'd prefer a 15minute miracle.

:1orglaugh

Were you not just flamed on another board for taking two months to deliver absolute garbage to a client? Maybe it's an early retirement not of your choosing.

andy warhol made a mint selling art that everyone has seen a million times..

Get a real designer to make a logo for you, it might cost thousands of dollars for a simple swirl. Art is objective, and so is the pricing.. designs are basically art.. If you priced art by the amount of time it takes to create it, it wouldn't be worth much..

I think it should be criminal to charge 2 $ for a simple sodapop that costs 2cents , but i wouldnt get very far with my argument :) Most things are worth exactly what the customer will pay , nothing more , nothing less :)

I think women that dont put out on first date are useless.

Not one bit.
THe matter was simple.

After most of the good designers like MachineGunKelly, Quashi exited free lance design I have had alot of business lately.

You exagerate 2 months when it was roughly a month.
I admitted there were delays. Do you always just speak out of you're ass or hide behind a fake nic to make a dig?

That thread was started after an agreement was made that I was to have another week to produce the sites. The day that agreement was made my art work and photography was stolen then posted on another board with an insolent title.

I completed the tours in two days and demoinstrated the progress the whole length on that board making that client look like a fucken moron.

He was a moron, I proved he was a moron.
And I do not do business with morons.

A fake nick registered in 2002? A nickname that I've attended shows with? :1orglaugh wow you're on target tonight.

Hey I know only what I've read, if this is the case I'll retract my statements. I know not of your stolen art work and photography - just of what the thread contained.

Alien, you can do quality work - I've seen it. From what I saw in the thread what you provided was crap. Also, you seem to have a negative tone to your posts that honestly rubs me the wrong way. You may have proved an ex-client to be a moron in your eyes, but you've proved yourself to be unprofessional designer in mine.

OH and the short answer to you're question "REP" whoever the fuck you are...

That thread proved to me how fuken petti people are in this industry and one of the reasons why I am have withdrawn considerably from design. It is not worth it, however I have a grouping of clients I continue to do business with at this point that pay well along with other ventures I am undertaking.

Any new designers out there reading this, let this thread be a warning to you're future...

You will only deal with assholes and ingrates that will shortchange you, hide, delay payments and whine very much like this thread.

If you got talent, do you're own shit, and stick with a couple clients that do well it is far more profitable, rather then bending over for ingrates and assholes that pay pennies stepping up to you like they got cash.

Odd's are they do not got cash, they are as broke as you and will tell you anything to get ya create for them.

You can make more, settle in with a client quality or two and use you're talent for you're own sites, galleries and such...

WTF is it to you?
I never claimed to be "professional" :1orglaugh

I claim that me designs are effective and generate money for my clients. Nothing more nothing less. I am not here to impress anyone.

I am sick of impressing people, I am about making money now and really do not give a shit about you or anyone else in the process.

I know who my people are at this point and the pay is good and the money being made is better than competing with knock off imports that work for a god damned rice bowl.

I was happy to shell out $1200 for a reality tour, splash page, join page and member's header. I did it happily because I know one thing has been true through out my life; You get what you pay for.

On a more intellectual level the truth is.

Many clients demand a template process. SOMTHING THAT WORKS.

All the "innovation" in design has been said and done, now its just a matter of selecting a decent color profile more or less that does not get in the way of a sites "image" or "persona".

We went from non scrolling tours to scrolling tours and veritable architecture but for the most part, all the songs have been played.

Any designer that has been around long enough knows there is a formula that the audiences expect, deviation from what is expected throws traffic off or confuses them.

There is no need to confuse traffic with Gizmo's and widgets, no need to look slick and sleek. It boild down to the quality of the content.

I have said it before and continue to say it to this day.
If the content is shit, over used, over exposed, played out there is nothing a tour can do to help it. It's success is dependent on the content.

You want DVD rip sites expect DVD RIP ratio's, you want quality members get quality content.

All the above regarding tours applies.

You got dating sites out there now again its not about the design it is about functionality.

Look at Google. Keep it simple, keep it stupid and keep it direct and ya will not go wrong.
To all the hot shots out there that think they know it all after a 6 months or even 2 years in this biz be prepared to fail far more than you will succeed, depending on a designer to rake in your money is never going to happen, you have to have somthing HOT that you would look at and honestly say "Yeah I would buy this". Because if you can not sell yourself you sure as fuck won't sell todays consumers.

yes your first post was moronic because any designer worth a shit doesnt do anytyhing half ass, hence my reference to MGK's post.

your the idiot because your associating good designers with shitty designers and calling them theives, when you havent a fucking clue as to what goes into a designing a site...

be more specific next time when you shit on a group of people.

as much as people hate on AQ hes right, the bottom line is GOOD CONTENT.

You can look at the success of the guys that sell a quality product.
Twisty's, Met-Art, Karups and a small string of others that deliver a quality product over the years.
Exclusive Semi exclusive etc.
Or some of the more recent peeps offering up a quality product like Rookie Babe, Mayor's money, The New Swank, FTV Girls etc...

Them guys have a solid product comprised of quality with tons of content. Sure some of them are my clients and the quality of there product and service is far brighter than anything I could design. The product speaks for itself, my designs just sent the message.

So I guess this great thread can die now.

Kill it sheeples.

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