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detoxed 09-20-2005 08:25 AM

FBI Launches Anti-Porn Squad, Prompting Scoffs From Some Agents...
 
The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.

Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."

A few of the printable samples:

"Things I Don't Want On My Résumé, Volume Four."

"I already gave at home."

"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901570_pf.html

Doctor Dre 09-20-2005 08:38 AM

Is this a joke ?

Denis_SC 09-20-2005 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Is this a joke ?

Unfortunately it's not .... :Oh crap :helpme

Enema 09-20-2005 09:07 AM

I didn't know making/selling porn was illegal?

budz 09-20-2005 09:07 AM

wow,.. wonder if this has anything to do with 2257

wiggitywack 09-20-2005 09:09 AM

Let's see..

So this is the logic of the retards we have in power:
Since Iraq & the hurricane Katrina went so smoothly, we have plenty of resources and money to go after porn. It was also a brilliant idea to give out tax cuts in the middle of record federal spending & budget deficits.

My thoughts are this:
The Bushies are fucking idiots and this will backfire on them. Most of the American public does not want to waste time and money on this stupidity.

History will confirm this is the worst president in modern times. We are going to be paying for the mistakes this ass clown made for many years to come, whether it be the Taliban running the supreme court, a civil war in Iraq and paying back the deficit.

GatorB 09-20-2005 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enema
I didn't know making/selling porn was illegal?

It's not. Only to Bush and his ilk. As we all have seen he doesn't hesistate to wipe his ass with the Constitution to further his own goals.

seeric 09-20-2005 09:16 AM

they can never define obscenity on a federal level because community standards are different everywhere around the country. waste of tax payers dollars. i am sure no one in new orleans can use those millions of dollars to help get back on their feet after a hurricane? god i am sometimes embarrassed to be living here. how we must look to the rest of the world where sex is not a crime.

porn is not illegal.

what a waste of time. maybe that new task force should target cp. they already know cp isn't part of what adult webmasters do, maybe they should focus on an international task force to go after pedos.

latinasojourn 09-20-2005 10:02 AM

well american society is changing. there are plenty of reasons why mainstream hardcore will not get jury convictions in the USA. MTV generation now sits on juries, and attitudes are becoming more liberal with re: to sexual behavior.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...oid=rss_health


depictions of rough sex, degrading sex, non-consensual sex will be at risk however.

ChefJeff 09-20-2005 10:05 AM

Just another example of how America is the joke of the world.

smack 09-20-2005 10:05 AM

jesus, this is like a silly version of J Edgar Hoover, but without the commies and the heels.

heh, told you idiots that voted for bush. congratulations. :321GFY

Manowar 09-20-2005 10:12 AM

what morons.

gornyhuy 09-20-2005 10:15 AM

3 more years till Jeb Bush!

latinasojourn 09-20-2005 10:16 AM

a word to the wise (for the business people here).

from the FBI recruitment notice:

the FBI headquarters memo noted.

Applicants for the porn squad should therefore have a stomach for the kind of material that tends to be most offensive to local juries. Community standards -- along with a prurient purpose and absence of artistic merit -- define criminal obscenity under current Supreme Court doctrine.

"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."

adultchica 09-20-2005 10:33 AM

Bush seems to be getting all of his wishes. He's surely going to nominate another person to the Supreme Court who is conservative. There goes the swing vote that Sandra Day O Connor had. That's 2 more conservative Supreme Court members. That could spell an end to many of our freedoms, including porn on the internet.

Hopefully, I'm looking at the worst scenario. But with more conservative members on the supreme court, it's not looking good.

davecummings 09-20-2005 11:09 AM

My thoughts on this mess are shown in my recent monthly column --here's a copy of it:

FROM THE TRENCHES
August 2005
BY: Dave Cummings---Actor/Producer/Director
Unwelcome Government Intrusion

I?m angry! Government is meddling way too much into the lives of American citizens. And, in my opinion, it?s not merely about protecting us from terrorists, disasters, criminals, etc., but rather it seems to also be about forcing some of the government?s subjective, unrealistic, and political views upon us, the governed. Our time-tested constitutional freedoms are being constantly attacked, particularly in the last 4-5 years, and it?s happening at all levels of government, not just the national arena.

Legislators seemingly hoping to endear themselves to demanding constituents and potential voters with highly subjective viewpoints are introducing many laws that cater to religious hypocrites and political financial contributors, and in so doing threaten some of our American freedoms. Numerous cities are trying to write laws that stamp out constitutionally-protected Free Speech and access to adult entertainment in favor of appeasing local loud-mouth groups, right-wing religious hypocrites, and entities that are way out of step with reality and what American citizens really want. Many of these local ordnances and laws end up being stricken down due to constitutional flaws, but the onslaught of new legislative proposals continues unabated.

What do the citizens really want, or what don?t they want? In my opinion, they want government to stop interfering in their private lives. They don?t want taxpayer money going towards pork barrel projects or the shutting down of adult entertainment venues. They don?t want government lawmakers using ?children? as a catch-all term to justify intrusive laws that have nothing to do with children. Indeed, we all want to always protect children, but using the term ?children? as a false and misleading cloak for censorship is insulting to citizens. That kind of behavior hurts legitimate laws intended to really protect children. American citizens don?t want governments pushing religious views upon non-practicing citizens, or certain religious beliefs upon others who practice different religions. They don?t want politics diseasing the American education system, and they certainly don?t want governments at any level telling them what consenting adults, in the privacy of their own homes, can or cannot read, watch, feel, enjoy, or think!

I?m appalled that ?big brother? would possibly like to legislate against letting consenting adults watch other consenting adults in an adult video, or in a gentlemen?s club, or in the privacy of one?s abode. What?s possibly down the road? Could it perhaps be religious ?thought? police? Mandatory government cameras in bedrooms of adults? Arrest for folks like me for stating my opinion in personal columns like this one? The jailing of citizens who don?t believe in the same God as the one worshiped by those in power? Arrest for parents and grandparents for spending money on clothes for their family?s children instead of contributing to government-approved candidates in a political campaign? Bottom line, in my opinion, is that Americans want the dividing line between church and state to become much more pronounced, and they want elected officials to totally cease injecting their own religious and subjective values and beliefs into politically intrusive governmental obstruction of our beloved American Constitution. We are at war in Iraq, and against global terrorism, but I sense that perhaps our Founding Fathers are in ?their? heaven looking down at America and worrying that some folks in government are war with Americanism and our constitution!

As an example of what?s causing my present anger, just look at what the Department of Justice (DOJ) is doing with the recent publishing of their revised 2257 regulations. Although it claims to protect American citizens under the age of 18 from becoming adult film stars (the financial and marketplace aspects already assure that no sub-18 performers are booked), 2257 does little if anything to advance the stated goals of the DOJ regulations; rather, it is the same old false and misleading tactic of using of the term ?children? in a quest to garner legitimacy for the government?s invasion of citizen privacy. Among many other inappropriate and seemingly unconstitutional things, these intrusive regulations requires the proliferation of model release forms and ID copies (yes, including state driver?s licenses and all the personal info on them) to many sub-producer levels where identity theft and the stalking (or worse) becomes an invasive danger to the film stars. Until the June 23, 2005 effective date of the DOJ?s revised regulations, only the entity which initially produced the free speech protected adult entertainment project had to keep such records and make them available for unannounced inspections by the government. It almost seems like DOJ is hoping to jail non-criminal folks on felony charges for clerical oversights ? not only at the primary production level, but also at the many levels of the DOJ-mandated maze of massive record keeping requirements. All in the name of ?protecting children,? of course.

The non-legislative DOJ, with these regulations, are effectively requiring that producers of adult entertainment prove the actress was over 18, instead of the prosecutors having to prove the girl was under 18. What happened to the ?American Way? of people being innocent until proven guilty? What happened to constitutional laws? Why might an administrative or filing oversight like misplacing a piece of paper be considered a felony punishable by jail? Could this new regulation be a way of repaying the demanding religious right for their political and financial support in past elections, and for ?prepping? them for supporting future elections? Are American elections becoming tainted by the radical religious right and its influences upon elected officials? Is our constitutional freedom and protections ebbing? Dang!

I?m also angry as a taxpayer. I?m upset that the DOJ spent taxpayer money and used government manpower and logistical assets paid for by American taxpayers to write such flawed and probably unconstitutional regulations. I?m upset that citizens and organizations are now having to expend considerable funds and time to seek relief via the courts to defend America against this 2257 abomination that the DOJ has published. And, I?m likewise angry that the DOJ is spending our taxpayer monies to defend their affront against American taxpaying citizens, voters, and consenting adults. I am particularly sad that the money being wasted on 2257 isn?t instead being spent by DOJ on efforts to better protect American citizens against terrorism, and against illegal drugs that get into the hands of children, gangs that prey on and/or victimize children, and fraud and abuse against all citizens. I call upon Department of Justice to wake up and put their priorities and assets where the Constitution and the vast majority of American voters/taxpayers/citizens seem to want them to be ? and it?s not on 2257!

I usually try to keep below the radar on controversial matters, but the present lessening of the line between church and state has got me reeling; and, the government?s folly in the revised 2257 regulations is an embarrassment to them, to our great Constitution, and to everyday and normal Americans. The personal opinions I?ve expressed above are strictly my own, and I should probably have stayed below the radar, but I strongly feel that the matters I?ve addressed need to be voiced before the chilling effect upon the First Amendment of the United States becomes burdensome or debilitating. I sense that millions who are presently keeping below the radar agree with my concerns!

The America we love needs our prayers ? God bless America!

Dave Cummings



MORE IN THE TRENCHES

GigoloMason 09-20-2005 11:13 AM

...

Yay, even more legal hassels.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-20-2005 11:22 AM

The problem is, our "Industry" and the supporters of this industry "Consumers" are to passive.

I just shaw a show on television a few minutes ago about anti abortion freaks.
They have a list of doctor's that perform abortions and they are killing doctors that perform abortions. These fuckers are xtreme! THis one dude that killed a doctor served 20 years and they did an interview, basically the guy that killed the doctors fucken circumsized HIMSELF then said god came to him and he killed the doctor because it was god's will.

The extremists that rage against Progressives like us know no bounds and will derive any excuse to damage or even kill people within our progressive culture.

The same people that have a problem abortion are nearly the same fuckers that won't hesitate to take anyone of down.

I got a 45 and a 9MM for these wack jobs, and I reccomend people start getting ready to defend themselves from aggressive "American" terrorists that are comming for us.

kmanrox 09-20-2005 11:27 AM

Bush will certainly go down as one of the worst presidents of all time.

pocketkangaroo 09-20-2005 11:44 AM

The thing is that we'll get hit with a terrorist attack or natural disaster and fail miserably at saving lives or preventing it altogether. Bush and company will blame local government or whatever liberal is around. Hey, but atleast that beastiality site got shut down.

Absolutely incredible. It's no wonder this country loses major cities to "standing water".

Mr.Fiction 09-20-2005 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanrox
Bush will certainly go down as one of the worst presidents of all time.

And Bush voters as some of the stupidest voters off all time. They thought that gay marriage was more important than their own freedoms.

:1orglaugh

rockbear 09-20-2005 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn
a word to the wise (for the business people here).


"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."


If this is about that points I have no problem with that. I have a problem about normal hardcore videos that producer may produce.

Do you have a link for that part latinasojourn?

DaddyHalbucks 09-20-2005 12:17 PM

I agree, it is upsetting.

Peering into people's bedrooms or sexual habits isn't going to win friends with most Americans.

The irony is that we Republicans are supposed to be market driven! If the public wants to buy adult entertainment, why not let them choose?

The ideal solution would be to somehow get rid of the religious right component of the Republican party. Isolate them, or cause them to form a separate party and get them to sail off in their own ship (which would probably sink at some point).

We really need more social moderates to join the Republican party.

latinasojourn 09-20-2005 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockbear
If this is about that points I have no problem with that. I have a problem about normal hardcore videos that producer may produce.

Do you have a link for that part latinasojourn?


it's at the top of the thread:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901570_pf.html

eroswebmaster 09-20-2005 12:22 PM

must be due to that meeting I held with them.

smack 09-20-2005 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks
I agree, it is upsetting.

Peering into people's bedrooms or sexual habits isn't going to win friends with most Americans.

The irony is that we Republicans are supposed to be market driven! If the public wants to buy adult entertainment, why not let them choose?

The ideal solution would be to somehow get rid of the religious right component of the Republican party. Isolate them, or cause them to form a separate party and get them to sail off in their own ship (which would probably sink at some point).

We really need more social moderates to join the Republican party.


their religious ties over ride their market driven mindset.

rockbear 09-20-2005 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

Oh sorry I just saw the sentence in that link.

High Quality 09-20-2005 12:31 PM

Scary.

Wonder why 2257 wasn't mentioned...

throwdown 09-20-2005 12:34 PM

let them come snooping around my house

BLAM

MrPinks 09-20-2005 12:40 PM

This is scary because it is going on while average Americans do not know what is going on. It is basically a one sided war. There is no way we can fight on our end. I have a feeling the FSC isn't going to do shit for us. Come the beginning of Oct. the decision on 2257 will be delayed again. If we are attacked by terrorists, the average Americans will never know that so much time and effort was put into stopping legal porn instead of protecting the nation. This whole obsession with obliterating porn reminds me of homophobia. They say when someone is really homophobic that they must actually enjoy homosexuality. Too much focus on porn by the US. This country is quickly going to shit and it doesn't look like it is going to get any better.
:helpme

Zester 09-20-2005 01:04 PM

i'm not sure if I want to cry or laugh at this stupidity

Giorgio_Xo 09-20-2005 01:04 PM

Same shit, different decade. We shouldn't be scared of 10 or 100 FBI agents considering adult traffic comprises 30% of the total internet. We should fight back as all people have in the past when the government intrudes in a productive and non-violent way. There are plenty of tools to grind the government to a halt.

VeriSexy 09-20-2005 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gornyhuy
3 more years till Jeb Bush!

:Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap

iwantchixx 09-20-2005 01:11 PM

looks to me liek they are just going after the nasty shit. Scat, urinating, pain, etc. Doesn;t affect most of us.

kenny 09-20-2005 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

the FBI headquarters memo noted.

Applicants for the porn squad should therefore have a stomach for the kind of material that tends to be most offensive to local juries. Community standards -- along with a prurient purpose and absence of artistic merit -- define criminal obscenity under current Supreme Court doctrine.

"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."

How about interracial gangbangs and fucking machines?

See those would be next which isn't a good thing.

And none of those politicians are set to help the webmaster making double anal gangbang sites. Republicians and democrats it really doesn't matter who. It happened under Reagan, Clinton, now Bush.

Elli 09-20-2005 01:27 PM

God I love it when national newspapers don't proofread their own articles.

tony286 09-20-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
Same shit, different decade. We shouldn't be scared of 10 or 100 FBI agents considering adult traffic comprises 30% of the total internet. We should fight back as all people have in the past when the government intrudes in a productive and non-violent way. There are plenty of tools to grind the government to a halt.

THats why I said we should be raising money for the fsc war chest not katrina. Also I want to thank all the webmasters who voted for W and his religious right agenda good job. When lens has to close his business because of the huge legal fees fighting the FBI in idaho to not go to jail over that girl sucking a cock thru a pizza.Im sure Starbucks will hire Loryn back, she is a sweet girl lol.

The OMFG Kid 09-20-2005 01:44 PM

What A Funny Squad Omfg!!!111111

ProPorn 09-20-2005 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx
looks to me liek they are just going after the nasty shit. Scat, urinating, pain, etc. Doesn;t affect most of us.

So you don't mind your government putting people in cages for taking potty pictures? This is not the time to offer other niches up as scapegoats. I personally agree people peeing and pooping on eachother is pretty nasty, but plenty of people feel the same way about oral sex. Gross doesn't justify illegality. How gross is gay to most of us? How gross is mature to most of us? Bukkake? BBW? Close-up internal shots? If they have any success persecuting those first less popular niches, you can bet they'll continue down the list. They want to draw the legal border as close to zero-tolerance as they can get.

Mr.Fiction 09-20-2005 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny
It happened under Reagan, Clinton, now Bush.

Prosecutions of legal porn were way down during Clinton's term in office and child porn prosecutions were up.

Republicans are far worse on free speech than Democrats.

directfiesta 09-20-2005 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx
looks to me liek they are just going after the nasty shit. Scat, urinating, pain, etc. Doesn;t affect most of us.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How simplistic.... this is what they say to sell their shit ... just like the 2257 is to combat childporn...

people like you should not be in this business :2 cents:

Giorgio_Xo 09-20-2005 02:10 PM

Hey! CNN Headline News will run this story after the commercial break! It made the national news. Let'e see what they say.

Giorgio_Xo 09-20-2005 02:12 PM

Short but fair. CNN didn't say anything negative about our industry.

pr0 09-20-2005 02:39 PM

man i sure am glad i diversified into dating lol

drama 09-20-2005 02:43 PM

They got points thought.

The moral decay you extremist produce because of the production of your porn is crazy

smack 09-20-2005 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drama
They got points thought.

The moral decay you extremist produce because of the production of your porn is crazy


you are a crappy troll at best.

drama 09-20-2005 03:01 PM

indeed i am

drama 09-20-2005 03:02 PM

woj woj hes our man if he cant do it nobody can

detoxed 09-20-2005 03:03 PM

i am here instead

detoxed 09-20-2005 03:04 PM

and it is now


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