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  • dropped9
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    • Jan 2001
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    #1

    how hard is it to teach yourself VB?

    Just curious... Im tired of having to rely on others and was wondering how hard it would be...
  • riddler
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    • Oct 2004
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    #2
    do you speak english? if yes.. then you can code VB..

    VB is so fucking simple to learn, Id say give it a good week of playing around with it you could make anything you really need except some complexed shit which you probably wouldnt want to code in VB to begin with :P

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    • Headless
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      #3
      Originally posted by riddler
      do you speak english? if yes.. then you can code VB..

      VB is so fucking simple to learn, Id say give it a good week of playing around with it you could make anything you really need except some complexed shit which you probably wouldnt want to code in VB to begin with :P


      really.... hmmm... I might have to do this then...

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      • Headless
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        #4
        riddler got any urls or anything you could recommend?

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        • Juicy D. Links
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          • Apr 2001
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          #5
          Not that hard tbh. I took classes on it back in day , and in past read some books that i had on em.

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          • TexasDreams
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            • Oct 2003
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            #6
            Originally posted by Headless
            Just curious... Im tired of having to rely on others and was wondering how hard it would be...
            Check out Wrox Press at http://www.wrox.com they have great books and great forums on VB.
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            • Doc911
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              • Feb 2004
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              #7
              just get a copy of visual basic for dummies


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              • TheJimmy
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                • Jan 2001
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                #8
                as soon as you figure that shit out man, hit me up...


                http://www.planet-source-code.com/ This should help you get started too, I just don't have the freaking patience for it...


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                • tapatio
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                  #9
                  What would you want to use VB for?
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                  • Doctor Dre
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                    • Jan 2001
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                    #10
                    Very easy to do simple stuff with it ... ;) will give you a better understanding on how stuff works too (basic) if you aren't exactly a "geek"
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                    • woj
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                      #11
                      it's probably one of the easiest languages you can learn...
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                      • Stacey_JoinRightNow
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                        #12
                        yeah visual basic is so simple that's why its called basic because of its functions... its windows based that's why is easy to you to work with the buttons and so forth... and using vb to database is easy too...

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                        • riddler
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Headless
                          riddler got any urls or anything you could recommend?
                          Easiest way is to learn off other code and the msdn pages that come with VB are great, Learn VB6 and not .NET for now.. Once you have learned 6 then move to .NET.. .NET is harder to learn as its a little more complexed than previous versions..


                          www.pscode.com has virtually any code to any kind of program you can imagine, Download what you need learn from it and do it in your own code, Or use the code but do not release it with out permission from the rightful owner..

                          Hope that helps.

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                          • pr0
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                            • May 2001
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                            #14
                            .net much harder than say vb6?
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                            • brand0n
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                              #15
                              you could teach yourself in under a month
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                              • riddler
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by pr0
                                .net much harder than say vb6?
                                I thought it was a different step from VB6 to .NET.. Not "much" harder per-say but still a step, Stuff is more integrated rather than controls, Winsocks is no longer drag and drop its all code.. Alot of cool shit but not good for a beginner to start in, thats my opinion anyway..

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                                • pr0
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by riddler
                                  I thought it was a different step from VB6 to .NET.. Not "much" harder per-say but still a step, Stuff is more integrated rather than controls, Winsocks is no longer drag and drop its all code.. Alot of cool shit but not good for a beginner to start in, thats my opinion anyway..
                                  hmmm i think ill go take some classes in college on .net, i got vb6 down
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                                  • Headless
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                                    #18
                                    thanks a lot guys... im gunna have to get rockin on this then... time to add more skills to my resume...

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                                    • riddler
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pr0
                                      hmmm i think ill go take some classes in college on .net, i got vb6 down
                                      If you got vb6 api aspect you can get VB.Net down in no time, Hell if you learn any .NET learn C# its like C,VB,Java mixed in one.. its rather nice, very sleek..

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                                      • brand0n
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Headless
                                        thanks a lot guys... im gunna have to get rockin on this then... time to add more skills to my resume...
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                                        dead serious
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                                        • riddler
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Headless
                                          thanks a lot guys... im gunna have to get rockin on this then... time to add more skills to my resume...
                                          Need any help with probs headless just post em here man ill keep this thread bookmarked and help you as i can

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                                          • WarChild
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                                            • Jan 2003
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                                            #22
                                            You can learn pretty much any language with very little problem.

                                            However, you're either a programmer or you're not. If you're not, probably best just to stick to what you do well, and pay someone else to do what they do well.
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                                            • brand0n
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by WarChild
                                              You can learn pretty much any language with very little problem.

                                              However, you're either a programmer or you're not. If you're not, probably best just to stick to what you do well, and pay someone else to do what they do well.
                                              i can not stand this cocksucker, but he has a very valid point.

                                              i can code bullshit in vb... learned in like all the other fucks in the aol days, but i am not a coder.

                                              it takes a talent really
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                                              • riddler
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by brand0n
                                                i can not stand this cocksucker, but he has a very valid point.

                                                i can code bullshit in vb... learned in like all the other fucks in the aol days, but i am not a coder.

                                                it takes a talent really
                                                talent? no.. logic? yes..

                                                its all concept, once you learn the concept of a language you can do it.. just have to have the patients to learn it, thats why i never went far learning C because i ran out of wooden boards to slam my head thru

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                                                • WarChild
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                  i can not stand this cocksucker, but he has a very valid point.

                                                  i can code bullshit in vb... learned in like all the other fucks in the aol days, but i am not a coder.

                                                  it takes a talent really
                                                  So we're not going to be best buddies?
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                                                  • Headless
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                                                    #26
                                                    I understand guys... But I am not a gfy moron noob who got fooled by some lil script earlier today... ;)

                                                    I understand a lot of things around these parts we call the interweb.... hahahaha

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                                                    • brand0n
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                                                      #27
                                                      so patience isnt a talent?
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                                                      • Headless
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                                                        #28
                                                        riddler thank you for being so helpful and nice... thats not commonly found on this board...

                                                        if you want add me to icq, or I can add you...

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                                                        • brand0n
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by WarChild
                                                          So we're not going to be best buddies?
                                                          after the shit you said about my daughter i hope to christ our paths cross in this lifetime.... and no.. im not a fucking tuff guy.. not in the least.. but i swear to christ im going for broke if we ever meet.

                                                          you can stick your fucking apoligy up your fucking mothers twat you low life pos.
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                                                          • riddler
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by brand0n
                                                            so patience isnt a talent?
                                                            lol i guess it could be if you look at it as a talent

                                                            i dont know id rather ram bamboo chutes under my nails than learn c :\

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                                                            • WarChild
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Headless
                                                              I understand guys... But I am not a gfy moron noob who got fooled by some lil script earlier today... ;)

                                                              I understand a lot of things around these parts we call the interweb.... hahahaha
                                                              Didn't mean you were a moron noob.

                                                              I used to be a project manager, in charge of a team of 6 programmers. Real coders write code in their sleep. It comes out of them like symphonies do great composers. What takes a non coder, who is still technically profecient, 2 hours to write, they will spit out in 30 minutes.

                                                              What I'm saying is, unless that's who you are, a programmer at heart, you'll PROBABLY make more money doing what you do best, and letting someone else do the programming. Time is your most valuable asset. Now, if your time is not valuable, then well knock yourself out.
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                                                              • riddler
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Headless
                                                                riddler thank you for being so helpful and nice... thats not commonly found on this board...

                                                                if you want add me to icq, or I can add you...

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                                                                • riddler
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                  Didn't mean you were a moron noob.

                                                                  I used to be a project manager, in charge of a team of 6 programmers. Real coders write code in their sleep. It comes out of them like symphonies do great composers. What takes a non coder, who is still technically profecient, 2 hours to write, they will spit out in 30 minutes.

                                                                  What I'm saying is, unless that's who you are, a programmer at heart, you'll PROBABLY make more money doing what you do best, and letting someone else do the programming. Time is your most valuable asset. Now, if your time is not valuable, then well knock yourself out.
                                                                  lol, ahh i know those people, the ones that peak out of cubicles with dark rings under their eyes and smell of cigs

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                                                                  • WarChild
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                    after the shit you said about my daughter i hope to christ our paths cross in this lifetime.... and no.. im not a fucking tuff guy.. not in the least.. but i swear to christ im going for broke if we ever meet.

                                                                    you can stick your fucking apoligy up your fucking mothers twat you low life pos.


                                                                    I already told you I didn't know you had a daughter, and as such it wasn't specifically directed at her. If you don't like that by all means you attack me.
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                                                                    • brand0n
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by WarChild


                                                                      I already told you I didn't know you had a daughter, and as such it was specifically directed at her. If you don't like that by all means you attack me.
                                                                      so when you say i hope someone murders your children its not directed at my daughter?

                                                                      who else would it be directed at? my fucking hamster?

                                                                      and yes. if i ever see you face to fucking face im going for you with everything i have. caution to the wind. fuck it. win lose jail lawsuit wtf ever. it will all be worth it to me in the end.

                                                                      wouldnt be the 1st assult ive taken to court, and it damn sure wouldnt be the 1st ass beating ive toated.
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                                                                      • lchaim
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by riddler
                                                                        lol, ahh i know those people, the ones that peak out of cubicles with dark rings under their eyes and smell of cigs
                                                                        oh yes, I love them and the magic they create!





                                                                        He has an uber valid point though, dependant on your time, patience and aptitude, learning to program can be useful, or not.

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                                                                        • SilverTab
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by riddler
                                                                          talent? no.. logic? yes..

                                                                          its all concept, once you learn the concept of a language you can do it.. just have to have the patients to learn it, thats why i never went far learning C because i ran out of wooden boards to slam my head thru

                                                                          hmm actually no...some people are much better coders than others....

                                                                          it's just like design...you can learn basic techniques...but you're still not a designer...

                                                                          some people will see a solution/algorithm to a problem MUCH faster and easier than others... else, anyone with some free time and a book would apply for a job at microsoft....

                                                                          I know what you mean for C though... I was studying C/C++ exclusively in college (for 3 years)...that's a lot of headaches...
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                                                                          • SilverTab
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                            Didn't mean you were a moron noob.

                                                                            I used to be a project manager, in charge of a team of 6 programmers. Real coders write code in their sleep. It comes out of them like symphonies do great composers. What takes a non coder, who is still technically profecient, 2 hours to write, they will spit out in 30 minutes.

                                                                            What I'm saying is, unless that's who you are, a programmer at heart, you'll PROBABLY make more money doing what you do best, and letting someone else do the programming. Time is your most valuable asset. Now, if your time is not valuable, then well knock yourself out.
                                                                            well said...

                                                                            good coders think in algorithm....no need for a specific language..once you know a language...you can learn others..it's just different syntax...the basic principle is always the same though!...you look at a problem, break it into smaller problems, and solve these smaller problems...some people are just MUCH better at doing this than others...

                                                                            I saw some better coders (than me that is) in college, and it's impressive to see how they come up with good solutions FAST...I was still among the good ones though ;)
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                                                                            • WarChild
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                              so when you say i hope someone murders your children its not directed at my daughter?

                                                                              who else would it be directed at? my fucking hamster?

                                                                              and yes. if i ever see you face to fucking face im going for you with everything i have. caution to the wind. fuck it. win lose jail lawsuit wtf ever. it will all be worth it to me in the end.

                                                                              wouldnt be the 1st assult ive taken to court, and it damn sure wouldnt be the 1st ass beating ive toated.
                                                                              Whatever you like. I told you I made the comment in poor taste, out of emotion. I really didn't think you did have any kids. If I had known, and meant it specifically, I would have said "I hope your daughter ..." and not a more broad "I hope your children ...". If you can't accept that and move on, then fine, I guess you attack me, that's your perogrative.
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                                                                              • tapatio
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                What woudl you possibly need to write VB for now days?
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                                                                                • woj
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                                  so when you say i hope someone murders your children its not directed at my daughter?

                                                                                  who else would it be directed at? my fucking hamster?

                                                                                  and yes. if i ever see you face to fucking face im going for you with everything i have. caution to the wind. fuck it. win lose jail lawsuit wtf ever. it will all be worth it to me in the end.

                                                                                  wouldnt be the 1st assult ive taken to court, and it damn sure wouldnt be the 1st ass beating ive toated.
                                                                                  heh, that's pretty hardcore, all this over some bs board drama?
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                                                                                  • riddler
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by SilverTab
                                                                                    hmm actually no...some people are much better coders than others....

                                                                                    it's just like design...you can learn basic techniques...but you're still not a designer...

                                                                                    some people will see a solution/algorithm to a problem MUCH faster and easier than others... else, anyone with some free time and a book would apply for a job at microsoft....

                                                                                    I know what you mean for C though... I was studying C/C++ exclusively in college (for 3 years)...that's a lot of headaches...
                                                                                    Yeah, Logic comes along with solving algorithms and other solutions.. Thats why i didnt stick with C long i was sick of headaches, I dont ever make anything that needs C anyhow, Normal batch scripts to make my work easier.. Saves me a shit load of money than paying someone to make something i can make in 30 mins..

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                                                                                    • lchaim
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by tapatio
                                                                                      What woudl you possibly need to write VB for now days?
                                                                                      are you high?

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                                                                                      • SilverTab
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by riddler
                                                                                        Yeah, Logic comes along with solving algorithms and other solutions.. Thats why i didnt stick with C long i was sick of headaches, I dont ever make anything that needs C anyhow, Normal batch scripts to make my work easier.. Saves me a shit load of money than paying someone to make something i can make in 30 mins..

                                                                                        haha I know what you mean...I never used C/C++ after college....never had to anyway...

                                                                                        but I had some more advanced server/DCOM courses and C++ gets really interesting!...you can do pretty much everything you want when you're a good C++ coder...(of course it all depends on...what you want to do hehe and it wasnt C++ for me... I'm still glad I did that course though)
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                                                                                        • SilverTab
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          as for the current topic, I say:
                                                                                          Yes, you can learn VB on your own...easily...

                                                                                          but will you code the next l33t chatbot?? hehe I say probably not...
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                                                                                          • riddler
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by SilverTab
                                                                                            as for the current topic, I say:
                                                                                            Yes, you can learn VB on your own...easily...

                                                                                            but will you code the next l33t chatbot?? hehe I say probably not...
                                                                                            lol if hes wanting to code bots and shit then he should take a nice dive in to RFC documents.. Coding is the tip of the ice berg for winsock shit haha.. thats a whole new level

                                                                                            I hope he just wants to learn to make stuff to simplify his life, Thats what i use vb for, Sorting files, Cutting text out of huge files.. etc.. Reg Exp is god of all gods..

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                                                                                            • tapatio
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by lchaim
                                                                                              are you high?


                                                                                              Nah just confused. I dont really see why a webmaster would need something in VB.
                                                                                              Guess im missing something..
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                                                                                              • riddler
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by tapatio
                                                                                                Nah just confused. I dont really see why a webmaster would need something in VB.
                                                                                                Guess im missing something..
                                                                                                If you dont know then you are not a webmaster.. Batching stuff is a great way to save time at alot of shit..

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                                                                                                • brand0n
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                  Whatever you like. I told you I made the comment in poor taste, out of emotion. I really didn't think you did have any kids. If I had known, and meant it specifically, I would have said "I hope your daughter ..." and not a more broad "I hope your children ...". If you can't accept that and move on, then fine, I guess you attack me, that's your perogrative.
                                                                                                  i understand completly. it was poor taste.. out of emotion.

                                                                                                  and if/when i see you, and i go to bash a bottle over your face, while you are getting your stitchs ill be explaining to my legal

                                                                                                  "it was just poor taste. i tryed to disfigure him out of emotion"
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                                                                                                  • SilverTab
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by riddler
                                                                                                    lol if hes wanting to code bots and shit then he should take a nice dive in to RFC documents.. Coding is the tip of the ice berg for winsock shit haha.. thats a whole new level
                                                                                                    ahhhhh RFC docs

                                                                                                    Originally posted by riddler
                                                                                                    I hope he just wants to learn to make stuff to simplify his life, Thats what i use vb for, Sorting files, Cutting text out of huge files.. etc.. Reg Exp is god of all gods..
                                                                                                    hehe yeah VB is definitly good for executing simple and boring tasks!...there's really no need to use C++ for that anyway!... (yeah yeah some people will say it's faster etc etc...) but if you want a simple file renamer...and don't care about the 0.03seconds that you will LOSE by using VB...I say go for it!

                                                                                                    of course if you want to code the next Doom3...forget VB haha..(or better yet..forget the whole idea LOL)...
                                                                                                    mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                                                                                    but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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