how can I find out how much traffic a site gets?
 

if they dont have a counter on the page?

is there any way?

First, I'd check the page for a width=1 height=1 counter

Second, try domain.com followed by
/stats
/webstat
/webstats
/usage
/webusage

etc, and see if you can uncover webalizer or a similar stats program (just hope it isn't a protected dir)

Third, if you're really desperate, you could always email the webmaster and ask. :1orglaugh

great suggestions..thanks!

I know they use webtrends but that's all I know...a competitor :):thumbsup

or /wlizer

haccccckerz

You can get a very vague (and I do mean VAGUE) idea of how much traffic a site gets by looking at its Alexa ranking. Alexa stats are seemingly biased quite a bit, especially towards sites that cater to webmasters, however they're the only way I know of to check the traffic on any site.

http://www.alexa.com

Quick tip on Tweaking your alexa rating up--distribute alexa at your site. Since your users already visit you, their browsing patterns are stored in alexa's central dbase thereby bumping up your rating.

It's tricks like this that makes Alexa a VAGUE [as NetRodent points out] indicator of traffic.

hmmm...
Traffic: - 2 stars| Ranking: around 27,000
Total Alexa Visits: 13,200

this means the site probably doesnt do shit?

Hack into your competitors site, steal his log files and then deface and destroy his site.

That's what Gary's yelling at me from the couch ;)