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Paraskass 09-07-2005 08:17 PM

Is the USA imperialistic?
 
Are Americans an imperialistic civilization?
What makes a civilization, past, present or future imperialistic?

Downtime 09-07-2005 08:25 PM

No, America isn't imperialistic.

Soldier of fortune 09-07-2005 09:11 PM

What the hell are you smoking,you need to kick it what ever it is!!!!!!

zzgundamnzz 09-07-2005 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
Are Americans an imperialistic civilization?
What makes a civilization, past, present or future imperialistic?

Sounds like something out of a 7th Grade Social Studies book...

rickholio 09-07-2005 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
im·pe·ri·al·ism (n.) -
1. The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
2. The system, policies, or practices of such a government.

So the answer is "yes", and next time do your own homework.

colpanic 09-07-2005 10:00 PM

One could argue that we are... I mean, at the very least we push democracy pretty hardcore right?


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=imperialistic


(keep in mind that most democratic countries are our bitches one way or another) :)

Young 09-07-2005 10:08 PM

Imperialism....no. Imperialism goes alot deeper than some vague defination in a dictionary. Imperialism involves culture, ideals, values, and government.

Sure we export our culture and Mc Donalds pops up in zillions of nations, we believe that Capitalism and Democracy are the answers to everything....but what doesn't make us Imperialistic is the fact that we are not imposing these ideals but suggesting them and promoting them. Thats what gives off the idea that the U.S. is imperialstic..the heavy promotion of these two ideals. Hey...Iraq has the choice to choose...and it looks like they are leaning against a "true democracy" but they are using some of the basic ideas such as voting and equal rights.

I'm fucking tired.

Though an argument can be made either way....I say No.

jayeff 09-07-2005 10:53 PM

If the US is not imperialistic, then more than 10 million people have died as a result of US foreign policy over the past 100-odd years, for nothing.

We are not empire builders in the way that the British once were when the "sun never set..." and all that. To date (we shall have to wait and see whether we become a permanent presence in Iraq) we haven't actually occupied countries. But we have more or less overtly interfered in the internal politics of many countries - often with direct force and against the popular will of the people in the countries concerned - attempting to establish regimes favorable to ourselves.

Fear and might as foreign policy have been stepped up dramatically and have become much more overt since 911. But while Bush keeps telling the folks back home that he and we are peace-loving people who can do no wrong, the message overseas audiences are getting is the exact opposite: namely that the US is ready to do whatever it takes to overcome in a world infiltrated by America's deadly enemies. That is imperialism as sure as if we were rushing around planting our flag everywhere.

Mr. Soul 09-07-2005 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downtime
No, America isn't imperialistic.


You're joking, right? What do you consider Hawaii? Guam? California? Puerto Rico? Johnston Atoll? The US Virgin Islands? Not to mention the 136 countries that the US has troops in.

Soldier of fortune 09-07-2005 11:03 PM

I consider ll them free enterprise.

rickholio 09-07-2005 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young
Imperialism....no. Imperialism goes alot deeper than some vague defination in a dictionary. Imperialism involves culture, ideals, values, and government.

Sure we export our culture and Mc Donalds pops up in zillions of nations, we believe that Capitalism and Democracy are the answers to everything....but what doesn't make us Imperialistic is the fact that we are not imposing these ideals but suggesting them and promoting them. Thats what gives off the idea that the U.S. is imperialstic..the heavy promotion of these two ideals. Hey...Iraq has the choice to choose...and it looks like they are leaning against a "true democracy" but they are using some of the basic ideas such as voting and equal rights.

I'm fucking tired.

Though an argument can be made either way....I say No.

Iraq is a bad example. The current incarnation of government being argued over (by three groups already in the opening stages of civil war) want Islamic law to be the fundimental underpinning philosophy. Ironically, equal rights with respects to women were far more respected under hussein than any of these future arrangements. Women were doctors, lawyers, engineers, with wage parity that, while not matching western societies', at least wasn't abysmally bad.

Additionally, Iraq didn't "choose". A choice was forced upon them. Claiming that Iraq had any sort of input on being forced into that decision-making process is either disingenuous or incredibly naïve. Iraq is simply the latest in a long, long list of countries that have been co-opted by military means, which in turn is merely a subset of the list of countries co-opted by economic strongarm tactics.

Trying that poor-man's-journalism canard of there being 'an argument either way' is utter bullshit. By definition of imperialism, which is by no means vague, the US obviously engages in it and only a sophist would try to refute that point. Now, if you wanted to comment on the extent to which imperialism has control over policy and whether or not that's a good thing, that's more fertile ground.

Young 09-07-2005 11:23 PM

If you want to make the argument that the U.S. went into Iraq and had the agenda of enforcing its own ideals in order to gain control of the country's natural resouces (Oil) then you have somewhat of an argument (however looney and to the left it may be). Otherwise you have no basis to argue imperialism...your first two paragraphs didn't have any sort of argument in them. to begin with.

The Roman Empire practiced imperialism. The U.S.......no.

Young 09-07-2005 11:26 PM

Its 2am. I'll come back with a better argument tomorrow.

Joe Citizen 09-08-2005 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Young
Its 2am. I'll come back with a better argument tomorrow.

You're going to need it. :1orglaugh

kmanrox 09-08-2005 12:13 AM

what does it fucking matter? right?

dylan4U 09-08-2005 01:32 AM

Era of imperialism is over nearly for 100 years.

VincentVega 09-08-2005 01:38 AM

yes it is
 
USA is a new kind of imperialism.
if before, empires conquered land and peoples using force, today it's done by culture and mass media.
in post-modern thinking, liberalism is considered to be a force historically dictated by the financial elite to rule one free right particulary - the right of the big ones to eat the small ones.
this is why every country which opened it's doors to the capitalistic western culture found itself being eaten by the microsofts and mcdonalds of the west with less and less financial independence because if it wouldnt open it's doors it means no foreign investments, and in our global world which 25% of the money in the world is in the hands of american (4% of the population), no investments mean financial death.
this is how the us controls the world, not by force, but by microsoft, intel, Mc, IBM taxes money...
the only countries who get some independence are the huge sized countries which refuse to become fully capitalistic, and go only half the way with government's regulation over foreign investments.
like china...
globalization is the new imperialism. this is a consensus in contemporary social sceinces.

Young 09-08-2005 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
You're going to need it. :1orglaugh

ahhh shit. its 2am again. Tomorrow will have to do I guess :1orglaugh

DTK 09-08-2005 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
Are Americans an imperialistic civilization?

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Is the pope a former nazi youth?

MetroPornTour 09-09-2005 12:03 AM

Of course it is.

What a stupid question to ask.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-09-2005 12:04 AM

Short Answer is Yes.

Concerned?

Let us know when ya need to be liberated.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-09-2005 12:07 AM

The USA knows when a people or civilisation needs a little bit of Freedom:)

dylan4U 09-09-2005 12:25 AM

I do not understand why some people are so anti-American.

Stamen 09-09-2005 02:12 AM

The reason nations are imperialistic is economics. With the given resources you can only produce so much of what you produce. If you want to expand production, you need to expand your land.

In business you just buy another factory, in government you annex some weaker country.

Doctor Dre 09-09-2005 08:57 AM

They are ... but with the modern civilisation it's a different thing ... but they still export their culture everywhere

dready 09-09-2005 09:10 AM

Manifest Destiny is alive and strong.

paperboy 09-09-2005 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
Are Americans an imperialistic civilization?
What makes a civilization, past, present or future imperialistic?



:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What a stupid question!

paperboy 09-09-2005 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downtime
No, America isn't imperialistic.


Liar! :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 09-09-2005 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
Are Americans an imperialistic civilization?
What makes a civilization, past, present or future imperialistic?

hasn't almost every country been a some point? its largely a question of opportunity and every countries first interests are its own.

paperboy 09-09-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young
Imperialism....no. Imperialism goes alot deeper than some vague defination in a dictionary. Imperialism involves culture, ideals, values, and government.

Sure we export our culture and Mc Donalds pops up in zillions of nations, we believe that Capitalism and Democracy are the answers to everything....but what doesn't make us Imperialistic is the fact that we are not imposing these ideals but suggesting them and promoting them. Thats what gives off the idea that the U.S. is imperialstic..the heavy promotion of these two ideals. Hey...Iraq has the choice to choose...and it looks like they are leaning against a "true democracy" but they are using some of the basic ideas such as voting and equal rights.

I'm fucking tired.

Though an argument can be made either way....I say No.


Really? What about all that people that was killed for the CIA all around the world for "not imposing these ideals"

Wow that's why you have such a president cuz you really believe in you own lies


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