If we shouldnt rebuild New Orleans we should not have rebuilt the New York towers
 

the Lousiana Purchase makes the STate of Lousiana and the City Of New Orleans historical, yet so many hold negative opiinons about its rebuilding.

Well, if we shouldnt rebuiold new orleans we should not have rebuilt the trade towers from 9/11

some of you are as stupid as they come, and prove it more when you run your mouth about not rebuilding one of Americas greatest cities.

many places in america are unsafe to live.

Including, claifornia, florida, new york, oregon, need i go on? We dont simply stop building homes in areas because its unsafe, thats not the american way.

so either support the efforts or accept the fact your opinion basically alienates you from the rest of us history loving Americans who say" rebuild.

got a valid point there.

Regardless of what happened in NY, we have to rebuild NO. We just need to build it bigger, better, and more secure. Learn from the past and move forward.

Whats annoying is how people basically became even more flag waving on 9/11 - "oh no, our precious city of shit and poverty, our beautiful new york where girls are raped everyday has been destroyed"

i supported rebuilding then, and I suppot it now.

Why are so many americans turning their back on the very land that started America on its road to power?

Without the lousiana purchase this country would not be the way it is, yet so many have abandoned the root of our land.

If the towers were a symbol of our strength upon rebuilding, should rebuilding one of our oldest and most guarded cities be the same priority and rebuilt with honor?

any american saying they do not support rebuilding is basically turning his/her back on america at its roots.

every city and state has its disasters, now all of a sudden, new orleans is suppoed to be less important than some city in florida that is rebuild every year from hurricanes?

its no surprise though, america opened its doors to many unworthy people over the years.

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People talk out of their asses 100%. It's bad enough to not know what in the hell is going on but at least go look it up before you spout ignorance all day.

too true, you won't get a single arguement outta me on that one.

You're all fuckingownd

The comparison between NYC and NO isn't valid. I understand the point you're trying to make but you can't compare NYC and New Orleans.

New York City is not inherently unsafe and vulnerable to the same perils that NO was subject to. NYC while not far above sea level and too surrounded by water isn't in a high danger zone. Correct me if I'm wrong but the city is fairly well protected against most natural disaster perils.

The actions of Terrorists wasnt' an attack on a few people, a single city or even the State of NY, it was an attack against everything American. To rebuild is a component of our national pride and to show Terrorists that they can't win against us.

New Orleans isn't unimportant, to suggest such is silly. However, people not in favor of rebuilding have many valid points. To rebuild it as it was only to return it to it's former glory doesn't have much purpose. You're not robbing it of it's historic importance by not building living and working space below sea level.

I'm not sure if global warming is to blame, that's an entirely different discussion but we may be seeing a different weather pattern in the world. Europe is hotter. We have more hurricanes and severe weather. Hotter, wetter summers, colder winters.

The propensity for extensive damage to the New Orleans area is rising drastically. Whatever happens there it must be much different than it is.

No city is totally protected against a cat 4-5...you think MIAMI would not be a disaster if they got hit proper? i think they would....

we NEED to rebuild New Orleans....for its historical significance at the VERY least...but i am sure there are a million more reasons to as well....

maybe whatever gets plowed down gets built a few feet higher this time....that is all....

Your points are 100% valid, but neither NYC or NO should be rebuilt with tax dollars. If the people of these cities want to rebuild, it should be with their own money, and it should be their own decision.

I am not in favor of using any public funds to rebuild the twin towers, and I am not in favor of using public funds to rebuild a city that, in theory, will be destroyed again.

Pride is one thing, reality is another.

If New Orleans was rebuilt at great expense and nature destroyed it in 5 years... do we keep on fighting nature? Does this not sound as crazy to you, as it does to me?

Additionally, you stated you were from this area, so it does bias your opinion. I have no dog in this race, meaning I am neither for or against the people making a decision with what they want to do with their property.

note: Before those of you jump in and say "Our tax dollars are being wasted elsewhere why not waste them here instead". To accept the wasting of public money (anywhere) is to condone the belief on each side of the aisle in D.C. that we are the servants of government and not the other way around.

The issue isn't should NO be rebuilt... The issue is should NO be rebuilt in its existing site. The answer to that is not no, but HELL NO! To build a city below sea level is one of the most idiotic, assinine, amazingly stupid ideas that anyone's ever come up with. Rebuild it, but at least move it so it doesn't get flooded out again.

Welcome to New Orleans, Kentucky! :1orglaugh

WELL SAID FLETCH :thumbsup

you always did have strong moral character.. how you been.. i've been gone for a long time..

Anyone who thinks it should not needs to go back to history 101.

you are in california with me.

this entire state is not supposed to be inhabited.

i suggest we start rethinking where we built Los Angeles, San Fransisco especially.

california is as dangerous as liousiana.

earthquakes EVERYDAY!!! OH NO!!!!!

Ok...first of all... DO NOT compare what happened in NY to NO. Completely different!

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans (or scumbags)
- The other was attacked by Mother Nature (whom we cannot fight).

The towers will be rebuilt to prove to the world that the USA can take a punch and keep moving forward. NO is 5-12 feet below sea level and is a risk to all that live there (as we have already seen).

You are correct in stating that NO is a historical landmark. But in no way does it compare to what NY did for this country. If the Louisiana Purchase never happened, Mardi Gras would not occur in the US -- that's it! If it was never part of the US, you would never have missed it.

Stop giving so much credit to a filthy, crime infested city. NO has as much crime if not more than LA, NY or Miami.

I give you credit for your passion about your city, but your argument needs some work.

If they rebuild NO it would have to be like Pompeii. They would need to layer that city multiple times so they can redo their filtration/sewer systems and so that they are no longer BELOW sea level.

GOOD LUCK!

pick up history book. and ask yourself why gas is so high eright now, because new orleans has more to do with things than most give credit for.

correction:

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans ( or scumbags )
- The other was abandonned by its leaders ( who you can kick out )

Wow, ignorance at its absolute finest. :1orglaugh

Again, history 101, you need to return there and stop spewing ignorance on the interweb.

yeah, the governor and mayor really fucked up

First of all, I live in the part of California where there have historically been NO earthquakes. South of Fresno, in the San Joachin Valley.

Yes, there are earthquakes here in California every day... just about. Especially if you live in the Mammoth Lakes area or Parkfield, earthquake capital of California.

And when the big one hits Los Angeles or San Francisco and the city is destroyed by a huge calamity, it still will not be the same as New Orleans. With a hurricane, you do have some advance notice. With an earthquake, you don't.

When the coast of California splits off the mainland and I end up with beachfront property, I'll think about rebuilding Los Angeles Island... As for SFO, a great deal of it has been built up on reclaimed land from the ocean and you can watch for it to collapse due to liquifaction. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

I'm going to agree with Stickman on this one. He is absolutely right about the big differences between NO and NY. First of all, you're saying people are being raped and killed in mass numbers in NY when the reality is only around 3 people a day are killed in New York City. Yes, 3 is a lot, but it was a lot more back in the 1980s. Crime has fallen a lot in New York City, and now it is one of the safest big cities in the United States to live in, if not the safest.

Also, the whole rebuilding issue. I doubt this city is going to be rebuilt. I mean, what kind of idiot is going to risk putting their business in this situation again? If I owned a Casino I know I wouldn't build it in a city 12 feet below sea level that lacks a real levee system. I don't know if you guys know this, but New Orleans got most of its profits from Casinos. I wouldn't expect to see Casinos rushing in after this hurricane showed what can happen to the city.

Doesnt matter.

Technically you live in an area plagued by earthquakes, you can play them down all you want, but fact remains.

All major cities in California, and many throughout the entire US are in areas that are constantly rebuilt.

To say we shouldnt rebuild one, while you live in a state that is constantly repaving roads and rebuilding homes of people who choose to live on hills and mud slide areas is silly.

This state is as guilty as Florida for building in bad areas.

you cannot pick and choose.

They should leave the water there and rebuild it like a little mini Venice with canals and rivers for streets..

It's below sea level this will only happen again. At the very least new building codes should require all houses be built on stilts like they are in the FL Keys.

You act like Mississippi didnt have casinos.

do any of you actually leave the house?

the reason its levees were not brough up to par is because of funding.

the money WAS THERE, and it would have ONLY BEEN MILLIONS. Guess what, didnt happen. Deny it all you want. Levee funds were directed to IRAQ.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313

why dont you tell the Dutch that levees cannot save you.

stfu already. if your house/business is destroyed you either have insurance or your sol. every year i hear about dumbfucks in la whos houses get destroyed in mudslides. we dont need tax dollars used to rebuild someone home who knew the risks and took them anyways. fuck them

There he is! GWB's balls salty or sweet?

i didnt know bush supported the "fuck the rich LA pricks who've lost their homes in a mudslide" stance

Whew, you're up floating in the clouds I think FletchXXX. You talk about New Orleans specifically then you twist over to Mississippi after the facts come out. Anyway, yes I know that Mississippi was hit with the hurricane, but that was small coastal towns. New Orleans was a major US city. There is a pretty big difference there my friend.

As for the funding, whew, you'll do anything you can to Bash Bush. I am not a fan of Bush at all, but when you start throwing out false facts I'm going to have to stop you in your tracks. Yes, Bush may have cut funding to New Orleans, but what about the presidents in the last 30 or so years? I mean, New Orleans was there for over 200 years, and the technology to build a super levee system was there for at least 30 years. This is just a total government failure. I don't understand how you can throw it on one guy. It is the state's fault in reality, they chose to ignore it and now they are paying the price.

That was a joke :1orglaugh NO is a great city and it is a shame what happened!

And yet no matter how much arguing is done here or anywhere else, New Orleans will be rebuilt.

y'all been owned.

So, even after all the suffering the people of NO went through and are still going through, you think it's a good idea to put them through this again within 10 years?

What???????? You mean the sheep don't know best?

yeah, and the next time this happens again the people living there will be owned too, good call. Glad to see you're taking the right position on this.

thanks for contributing your interesting views on the subjects discussed in this thread. there really isn't a way to put a value on it. i hope you program better then you debate. btw, let me save you the time replying to my comments.

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sheep noob loser idiot. go watch fox news and lick bushs nuts
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People once thought leeches would fix ailments when applied to the human skin. We used to burn witches. We used to believe the Earth was flat. People used to think asbestos was the greatest flame resistant substance.

We have made a lot of mistakes, but learning from mistakes is the key.

Building New Orleans below sea level was a mistake. Do we repeat the same mistake simply because we did it previously? At what point does pride fuck you in the ass?

I'm glad the WTC towers had two planes flew into them

NYC is full of dumbfucks

It was not built below sea level.

I will not go into marshland rebuilding, but the city has been sinking because of way more important things such as the erosion of marshlands in South Lousiana. Where i grew up. Literally.

And since you dont even know new orleans wasnt built originally below sea level, i doubt you have a clue about marshlands and the importance of them to that region.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science...a.wetlands.ap/

My mom has been preaching wetland rebuilding to me since I was a child. Educate yourself on it, it has a lot to do with the situation.

whatever you say nofx
i thought you were banned

Why not rebuild it? Do they wanna make it "Lake New Orleands" or just a deserted wasteland?

Facts: I agree with you , the city should be rebuilt. Time needs to be taken and it can't just be "rebuilt" but done right.



HOWEVER. The people who do not want to rebuild the city view NO as an episode of MTV's "Pimp my ride"

A city in it's present state that ( other than rich culture and history) holds very little value. And they can't see the sense in putting a shit pot full of money into a city that will still have very little value ( other than history and culture). Kinda like throwing 5000.00 rims and 30k worth of stereo into an AMC Pacer. After modifications the car is still worth 50.00bucks on a good day.


I think what most don't understand , is to rebuild the city "right" is going to take 10X the estimated damages. To make it safe( against this type of damage) is going to be a fortune. ( I support rebuilding remember). When it's done The issue is going to be all the poor people who lived there who can not afford to build, rebuild or purchase in the NEW NOLA. And the city will be a mere characture of its former self. filled with stories of what used to be.

This is an awful tragedy, and I fear no matter the outcome it's not going to end well.


( I should note when I speak of the low apparent value, I am speaking of the residential NO and surrounding areas)

seriously think about what you say when you are talking about the city at the mouth of the Mississippi./

Do you people forget how important the Mississippi port is to our country?

jesus h christ, one of the MOST IMPORTANT cities in america and you guys act like its a village in Africa.

25% of oil, i wont go into the importing new orleans does, but as you see prices go up youll notice.

the city at the mouth of the mississippi will forever be one of the most IMPORTANT cities this country has.

just because you guys dont pay attention to the amount of steel, lumber, spices, sugar, and oil that comes from that region does not take away from its importance.

The Battle Of New orleans states EXACTLY how important new Orleans is to this country, because a city that controls that river is as valuable as anything to this land.

It controls Americas most important port. New Orleans.

last time i checked there was a big gaping hole in the ground. nothing rebuilt

the mouth of the Mississippi will be there if NOLA is or not.

Rebuild it with insurance dollars, not public funds

yeah im silly like that, i havent slept much the past week. and it was 06:13 AM when i started this.

i think ive proven over time i am goofy like the rest of you

how are the tower plans coming?

I think they should rebuilt it about 20 miles in shore

I watched a discovery channel special about NO and Katrina. It mentioned this exact thing about the marshlands and how in the past they would take the brunt of a Hurricane. Now that so much wetlands have been eroded/destroyed Katrina was able to make it's way all the way into NO.

Looks like the tree huggers and environmentalist aren't so bad after all.

bit different IMHO...make no sense to rebuild it below sea level, was stupid to begin with...if they do, then make it a 'bit' higher...

Your post assumes, we can not level the existing city and still have a port structure, at the mouth of the Mississippi. Release the levees, and lets see where the ocean ends. Then we can logically say, "HEY, this is where the water ends on a normal day." We can now fall back, build the new port here, with no risk of what transpired happening again.

Your post also assumes that New Orleans was Utopia. The people that ran it were corrupt (google: New Orleans + corruption), the city was a crime mecca (google: New Orleans + crime statistics), the schools were a mess, etc etc.

You have to take this opportunity to agree or disagree, this place had GONE from a great place to an African village (your words). The city was abandoned by the productive a long time ago. When your best and brightest leave, this is what happens. They will not return.

LA's GSP (Gross State Product) is $138bil, the entire state. New Orleans producing a large portion of this money. From a tax perspective, they pay about 30bil a year to the federal government. Is this a wise business move, to commit Federal Money (tax dollars) to rebuild a place most (who look at this clearly) was a shit hole.