NATO has just offered to come in and help
 

wonder if it will be accepted?

It should be they need as much help as they can get

Yeah i wonder..

Damn, were is mista Bush now? he invades wholes countries in like 3 days. spent bilions on military forces and he can'e even save his own people..

Just saw an interview now from Nato,none us Goverment members has asked for help of anything,didnt you guys see how they barbeque they own "leaders" in us on cnn,damn,the governor was so angry that he started to cry and hang up,its shocking,WTF is going on ?

24 countrys offering help,since Monday,but nada in response at all.....

Bush really did it this time also.

One thing is certain.

If Bush accepts aid from NATO then people will criticize him.
If Bush does not accept aid from NATO then people will criticize him.

Another thing is also certain.

Bush is straight up retarded and slow as a mofo when it comes to helping his own people.

Well and ya point ?

Isn`t it bether to get help from some who can be airborne in a few hours and save thousands of life,instead of a dranker as a president who gets nervous,and cant do shit for his own country,when they need him to be strong and act ?

Just wonder .....

[tinfoilhat] Perhaps Bush wants civil war/disobedience?...... It would mean no election - it may be a bit early for him to worry about it, but if the opertunity is there now he may as well grab it [/tinfoilhat]

Probably complete crap.... but at this point I wouldnt be that shocked either.

of course, 'cuz he should act few days ago.

I didn't voice my opinion on which is better but I am certain that he will be criticized either way. It happens during nearly every natural disaster. Same thing happened during Andrew.

If you know your history you will recognize this as the hallmark of democracy.
Nearly 2500 years ago in ancient Athens the Athenian navy defeated the Spartan fleet. The athenian generals - though victorious - failed to save many of the crewmen from drowning. When they returned the generals, instead of receiving a hero's welcome for winning the battle were placed on trial and executed for not saving the naval crews from drowning. This is the nature of Democracy.

We citizens should remember to also recognize the good. Drop the senseless politics. It's petty. It would also be good to discuss how many people's lives have been saved instead of focusing on imperfections. There are tens of thousands of people being rescued. Many thousands of people owe their lives to evacuation warnings and plans. The western way is pretty good but it is not flawless.

I'm sure they wont accept it

We should be recognizing the workers with the good and what they've done for the people, but in this case we also need to look at our leaders for the horrible job they've done in this situation in general.

The poor, homeless, handicapped and much more were basically left to die before the storm hit. Now that we have many survivors, they're still being left to die. I don't want to hear this "looters are preventing" crap either, what it comes down to is that not nearly enough aid was sent to help in the first place. What was it, 2000 troops originally sent? What a fucking joke. These petty and unorganized street thugs wouldn't be running things if our leaders had done thier jobs.

I don't blame the population for looting, stealing and being aggresive now. They're being treated like animals and expendable civilians when in reality they're tax paying American citizens. Anyone here would act the same if they were left for dead by "the greatest country in the world", I know I would.

"The Bush administration also said it will accept foreign assistance. At least 24 nations and international organizations, ranging from Israel to Venezuela and the United Nations, have offered medical teams, field hospitals, military aircraft and other help." - Seattle Times.

Compared to what? A category 4 hurricane flooded a city of half a million people. Name the places and times in history where an entire city of this size lay under water like this one and there were less fatalities?

Same thing as 9/11 ...

Bush just froze there, not knowing what to do ... Then his minuscule brain executed the auto-shutdown function ....
A leader is supposed to lead ....

its nothing wrong with accepting help

any help is necessary at the moment.. wrong time for pride..

Fuck you, you conservative scum. He waited 3 fucking days before doing something. Why do all republicans think they do no wrong.

He should come out and say, I fucked up, I should have been there from the start, I will do much better from here on out.

Think about it. He know a cat 4-5 storm was heading towards on of his larger cities, and he still sat on his ass on vacation. Ok it hits, then he heads to an "appearance" in CALIFORNIA! WTF is that. A 6 year old knows better.

Defend him all you want, but know that you are in a very small, blinded, uneducated minority.

Was on vacation before 9/11 , while reports of possible attacks were ignored ...

Sorry, this is a stupid post :

BUSH IS ALWAYS ON VACATION

As mentioned before loads of countries have offered help from day 1. The
reason why it isn't on the way yet is because the US hasn't requested what
type of aid they need most.

As long as nobody is saying....here's a list of things we need right now and
authorises foreign countries to start shipping it in it's not going to happen.
Countries cannot just fly in and start doing shit without authorisation and
knowledge of what is needed where.

All these threads about countries not willing to help or donate is 200% bullshit.
There are tons of offers but they are waiting to get accepted and directed.

US air force would shoot down " relief carrying " planes ..,.

Then Bush would say:

" We are at war. The reliefers are trying to take over our own mess ... This is against the basic believes of this nation.... goes against our freedom of letting people die ... "

" Heu ... Hummm * pause * * another long pause * You have to understand .. we cannot let them win ... If they win, it means we lost ... * pause with empty staring * and if we loose now, we never will be able to fuck-up as we did .. we loose our freedom, our values ..."

" That's all folks ... I will be on vacation in Kennybunk for the rest of my term "

its shows how weak the USA has become.. im amazed every time i see the footage of the NO area.

9/11 was shocking but things where taken care of quite decent and that was a hell of a complicated situation compared to this.

This is just amazing.

That's seriously funny! :1orglaugh

Actually, I have an Ivy league education. Now THAT is a minority but I don't believe I qualify as uneducated. Do you think sheepishly repeating the criticisms of the US government as seen on FOX News makes you some sort of a genius? The same criticisms that are levelled at nearly every politician during category 4 and 5 hurricanes? Last year after Hurricane Charley, Bush was criticized for flying to the disaster area. People said he was trying to win election points (Similarly Clinton was criticized for bombing Iraq in order to divert attention from the Lewinsky affair). That's all just politics. The truth is they are called natural DISASTERS for a reason.

I'm also not a conservative. Wouldn't make much sense to operate porn sites for 10 years and be a conservative. Would it?

Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the childish and incorrect personal attacks?

they better accept any help they get offered.

I doubt he'll accept help. Funny how bad he wanted it for Iraq though.

I bet all his oil buddies are making a killing right now. The worse this gets, the more they make.

Canadian provinces and Feds offered up their mash units and the military offered up their dart team(disaster assistance response team) and mash units back on Tuesday. The mash units could have been on the ground and running by Wednesday; fema is now saying their mash unit at the airport is overwhelmed. The dart team could have been up and running by yesterday or today. They could have been processing the filthy flood water running in the streets of NO into drinkable water packed in bags for 50,000+ people a day. The response has been thanks for the offer, thats all.
Greece offered up cruise ships too house people that have been left homeless. That hasn't been accepted yet; at least I haven't heard about the ships sailing yet.

Canada had the DART team on 1hr notice. They also had generators, water-purification units, medical units and dive teams to recover bodies all on stand-by to help.

Bush said thanks for the nice thought.

Rhodes scholar are you not?

Common knowledge. 24 nations have offered help. Canada is one of those. Where did I disagree with you?

Nope. Went to Yale. Never went to Oxford.

I actually looked into applying but was over the age limit since I started school later than normal.

Age limit?

Age limit for what?

What does Oxford and Yale have to do with NATO?

My mistake; I thought you were making the point that the Bush admin is accepting the offers. The facts speak for themselves as nothing that was offered has begun too move.


Hmmm, I could of swore I remembered you mentioning you went to Oxford. I must of mixed it up with Yale; still a pretty good university :) .

Putting that education to good use on GFY. Ivy League community college maybe.

As for answering your question, the thing that bothers me is the lack of response to the worst disaster in our history. You are the one protecting him, for some unknown reason.

Seriously answer me this. Would our response have been faster had all of our troops been where they are supposed to be? How about if the money would have been spent on the marsh project to protect NO instead of re-building Iraq?

I await your Ivy League Beauty School response.

I asked him a question.

You have to be under age 24 to apply for a Rhodes scholarship.

Ask him in another thread please.

Thats messed up....

I thought they were trying to encourage mature students

It's no big deal. Common knowledge.
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I make 10x more money than my average graduating classmate does. Fine with me. I could have went into academics and made $80k/year. No thanks.

So yeah, ummm... NATO offered to help in New Orleans.

Ivy League or not, no one can protect Bush on this one.

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I doubt it. This has been a fairly typical response to a major hurricane and I have been following them pretty hardcore since David in 1979. Consider the logistical problems. Helicopters can't fly the first day, highways and bridges washed out, airports under water and so on. There are many more considerations. Compare to history though. This is fairly typical.

As a child I wanted to become a meteorologist . Ended up a pornographer instead. Much better!

Nato Go! :)

I'd like to see Bush squirm out of this one.. or his refusing to accept help from other nations.

well, you ARENT a meteologist.

and even BUSH has admitted the response has been not acceptable.

stop taking up for this asshole while people are still being told "help is on the way"

day 5.

Ive sat through more hurricanes than you. I have seen water rise 4 feet in 20 mins. being on day 5 and still waiting on supplies is a joke.

it doesnt take an ivy league education to know that.

you cannot take up for the response time on this one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...251197,00.html

while you think its acceptable, the world doesnt.

lol, your kidding me right. Try this, read the posts; it will make it much easier too follow the thread next time. This way you won't have to ask a question for which there is an obvious answer already posted.

I think maybe what the Ivy Leaguer is doing, is perhaps defending pointing the finger straight at Bush. I agree, Bush has a LOT of questions the world would like answered... however he cannot be held solely responsible for the way this is all going.

The government on ALL levels (Municipal, State, AND Federal) has fucked this one up. They fucked it up years ago, and they're not making things any better.
They fucked up by not building those levees strong enough in an area where they knew there was a good potential a stronger than Category 3 hurricane could hit.

I'm aware that things take time to organize & get dispatched, but I think right now the key problem is organization. Even now, there is no organization. The National Guards down there have communications (at least some of them do) that we can tune into & listen, and their voices are weary & defeated.

weary & defeated ????

shit they just got started..

Fletch,

I know your background. We've had this discussion before. Now tell me when you were in a flood like this and what the response time was.

Bush is a politician in the 21st century where people expect to live a comfortable life at all times with very few unnatural casualties. Just two generations ago people thought 250,000 casualties was acceptable in a war. Today, 2000 isn't.

"The world"? Not much of an argument there. Since when does holding a minority opinion make one wrong?

Sweden has offered to help we are just waiting for Bush to accept