To the idiots who keep saying global warming causes more hurricanes !
 

I keep reading articles where people are saying global warming and the US Not signing Kyoto have caused more hurricanes.

Some German paper today even blamed Bush for more hurricanes because he
won't sign Kyoto even though it would take 15 years to be fully implemented.

I decided to do some fact checking and the idiots are dead wrong.

Here's the stats:


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

I was one of those idiots who made a comment about kyoto, and you are absolutely right. Bush didnt cause any hurricanes, and even if he banned gasoline engines and signed ktoto etc etc , it wouldn't have made one iota of a difference now or in the next 10-20 years..( iMO)

But that doesn't mean bush shouldn't sign kyoto , and it doesnt mean things dont need to be done to dtop global warming , and it also doesnt mean global warming doesn't cause hurricanes..

Its a scientific fact global warming will cause more hurricanes in the future , and its also a fact we are causing some sort of global warming right now, so its fairly apparent something needs to be done to protect our childrens and their children from an irreversible change to the planet..

The ONE thing Bush did right in the last 5 years is NOT signing Kyoto. It is bullshit and anyone who has done basic skimming research on it knows this.

That treaty should never have been signed by any country. But the uneducated masses forced it down the worlds throats. God damn.

Global warming, that's cute. We've been tracking the weather now officially for a little over a 100 years and yet some scientists claim they can see a "trend" in the weather. It's all about the global warming. No thought given to the earth's natural cycles, the last Ice Age. No, it's all global warming. In the 70's we were run out of gas by the late 80's and pollution would kill us by the year 2000. It's amusing to see how they keep setting new dates for the end of the world and the same people when they're wrong just come up with new dates and everyone buys it. People amuse me.

By uneducated masses you mean the 10000's of scientists who think you are wrong?

Some of which have a lifetime of studying and research behind them.....

But hey, if you skimmed Google who are they to argue......? :upsidedow

I watched that penguin movie last week and they (Morgan Freeman) said that
the area in the antartic that the penguins go to mate used to be lush green
forests many years ago long before autos and pollution.

Will all the people who think global warming is out of control be on the band wagon against global cooling when that cycle in the Earth's temperature begins? Oh wait, some of you have already hopped on the global cooling band wagon http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm.

Check your facts. FACT Hurricanes thrive in WARM water. Ever see a hurricane in the artic? The warmer the air the warmer the water thus as the earth's avererage temperature rises so will the water temp and thus so will the chances for more CAT 4 and 5 hurricanes. FACT.

Hey Einstien you can tell what teh temp was 1000 years ago by several means one being tree rings.

"But that doesn't mean bush shouldn't sign kyoto , and it doesnt mean things dont need to be done to dtop global warming , and it also doesnt mean global warming doesn't cause hurricanes..
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Why should he sign it when 99 Senators said no already?

Also, why should he sign a document that hurts the US and puts
China and Russia ahead of the US because they can buy and trade
their way out of the Kyoto reductions in emissions?

I'm not saying I'm against what Kyoto stands for as far as making the
air cleaner but I'm sure not going to go along with fucking over the US
either.

I think in 10 years the US will have clean burning energy because we have the
technology already and if oil keeps going up it will be poor mans fuel but not he USA's
fuel anymore !

We have technology now that a small 15" X 15" box installed in your house can run
all the heat, hot water and charge you car for a year. The problem is it currently costs $12,000 per year to run it.

Republicans think global warming means better gardens.

Do some googling, then copy and paste from a government website, and suddenly all independant scientists are idiots? Also, that link only tell something about hurricanes striking US mainland. The world is more than US mainland last time I checked the map...

As some of you say, yes there are natural cycles, but those have always been balanced cycles. Man-made global warming is a new phenomena, and only an average change of 0.1 celcius in the oceans away from the 'normal' cycles will be catastrophic.
The costs of the last weeks 3 disasters is nothing compared to what it will cost next few decades.

Oh that's great; the answer is in the trees. :thumbsup It?s not quite an exact science you know. It doesn?t tell you what the weather was like on any given day. It gives at best a time from of year or so. It is far from an exact science. But I?m sure you read an article somewhere or maybe saw the Discovery Channel once now you?re expert. Ok man that?s cool. Good for you.

I'm not saying global warming doesn't exist. I'm just saying that no one knows for sure if it does or not. It's just a hypothesis. Doesn't make it scientific fact. A friend of mine was once told by a doctor that he had brain tumor. He got a second opinion. The second one said he had one to. He started treatment for it. A few months later a third doctor he was recommended to told him he didn't have a tumor it was something else I don't recall at the moment that would go away in time. The 3rd doctor was right. Imagine that. All that science, two different doctors and tons of techs and nurses and they all told him it was a tumor when it wasn't. Sometimes even the smartest of people let their personal opinions and observations of others cloud their judgment.

Everyone wants to believe the world is coming to an end. Sorry I just don't buy it. And least of all something only some scientists claim even exists when they can't even agree on how many eggs a week are healthy to eat. So you want to believe it all that's fine. More power to you. But please don't think you're special because you're one of the sheep.

"Check your facts. FACT Hurricanes thrive in WARM water. Ever see a hurricane in the artic? The warmer the air the warmer the water thus as the earth's avererage temperature rises so will the water temp and thus so will the chances for more CAT 4 and 5 hurricanes. FACT.
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So you're saying history for over 100 years is wrong?

I found this to be an interesting article.

http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglobal.htm

I think your being a bit misled.. but so is everyone.. global warming is a reality. All you have to do is look at los angeles or mexico city to see we MUSt be fucking something up.. But it has also been portrayed as something its not ( like causing tornado's and shit )

You also have to look at things on a larger scale.. before humans were here and stripping the forests and oil , Oil would just pool on the ground and get ignited by lightning and burn for ages, same with the forests, they would burn from california to texas, obviously causing insane amounts of pollution. There was nobody here to put out the fires , they just burned and burned..

Anyways , who i do trust is david suzuki and most of the top leading scientists from around the world , and they say global warming is a reality , and the shit we are doing to the planet will cause our demise.. not within millions of years but in a few generations..

So maybe kyoto isn't the best strategy , but better get something and get it quick.

"I think your being a bit misled.. but so is everyone.. global warming is a reality"

Yes it is and I've never denied this fact !

What I dispute is the fact that it is caused by man or the USA.

Global warming has happened many thimes over the last several thousands of years before there was any pollution.

During the 1970's the world was a shit hole as far as pollution and CO2 emmissions
go and we had global cooling !

The people pushing the man made global warming crap have an agenda and it's
mostly anti US or anti Globalization.

Then reason we've had periods of global warming is because the earth wobbles and
it's rotation around the sun isn't perfect.

:eek7 :eek7 :eek7 Thats called summer/winter here
I'm out of this thread :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Humans are so fucking arrogant to think that a mere 100 years of industry could possibly affect a planet that has been through billions of years of chaos.

I repeat, humans are an arrogant case of fucking fleas.

Wrong. The change of seasons is caused by tilt towards and away from the sun, not wobble.

Sure, global warming may be a reality, but we HAD NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT, PERIOD. NOTHING.

The opinion that we are killing the planet is not just some half cocked theory.

Like i said i wasn't trusting just anyone :) just the worlds smartest people on the subject.. If you can't trust the world's leading authorities on the subject who can you trust ? Oil propoganda ? i dont think so. You cant simply blame every problem that exists on "anti-americans"


Its not an american problem , its a world problem. The americans are the least of the problem.

The earth might wobble , but that doesnt make the giant smog cloud over l.a. or mexico city any smaller or any less man made.

If your just talking about "gut feeling" , then my gut feeling is much the same as yours , i think before man came along there was already global pollution on a grand scale , and everything were judging is so small it can't make a difference on a large scale.

So to me its perfectly reasonable to assume that the earth works on a bigger time scale than we assume and any trends in weather are completely useless merely because of the inability to track them properly over long periods of time.

BUT i trust the worlds top scientists, more than i trust my gut feeling :winkwink: and i trust the simple plain fact if you have ever been to l.a. or mexico city , you know its dirty as all fuck in the air, and it can't be good. and it MUST add up.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

I dont think the argument is that we can really affect the planet as a whole , i think the argument is if we are making it a place that will be unfit for humans to live.

Obviously we have little affect on the planet as a whole and its survival.

Proof? :1orglaugh

The popular reply for people against Kyoto is that is screws over America because it forces them to reduce emissions the most while other countries can "sell" unused credits.

What Americans don't "get" is that despite not being the most populated country in the world, we still contribute to far more pollution than any other country. That's the point of the Kyoto treaty, to stop wasteful countries from recklessly polluting. America needs a wake up call.

Send this thing in....

http://navysite.de/ships/ah20_3.jpg

http://navysite.de/ships/comfort.htm

Very good point, sir.
And more important, the damages are irreversible. We can't sit and wait until its too late. This is a question of the survival of human race. Too late means its over, no turning back. Shit, its really sad that people listen to sponsored and corrupt "experts", rather than nobel price winners...

It's not the number of hurricanes, it's the intensity of them that is affected by global warming. Skim Google for info on that subject and you will see that the percentages of level 3,4 and 5 storms has been rising dramatically over the last 20 years.
As far as our ability to affect the environment, 15 years ago, people on the right ridiculed the idea than ChloroFluoroCarbons from aerosols could have any effect on the atmosphere. Then they came up with the technology to measure it and found the Ozone hole in the southern hemisphere. If you look at the rates of skin cancer in Australia you might realize how serious a problem this has become.
Or you can turn on Fox News and they will tell you that science is all just a liberal plot to hurt business.

it will okay by 2040-2050 when we'll run out of oil and industries will stop, no worries.

I agree...


Oh but didn't they say in 1970 by 2000 we would run out.

Hurricanes happen in cycles of 10 to 15 years.

The air in Los Angles was worse in 1971 (when I came to CA) than it is now.