German Level 3 and Jugendschutz Censor Ogrish.com
 

August 25, 2005
German Level 3 and Jugendschutz Censor Ogrish.com

To whom it may concern,

It has recently come to our attention that several thousand European visitors have been denied access to Ogrish.com and we've received many complaints by visitors worried that we are blocking them.

Initially, we believed this to be due to a temporary technical problem, however now?three weeks later?Ogrish.com is still blocked. After thorough investigation, we concluded that a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.
Feel free to email Level3 at [email protected] or give them a call regarding this issue.

Not only are many German ISPs affected by this unjust action, but ISPs in other European countries (who have nothing to do with the German legal system), such as Holland, France and Poland, are also being denied access because of this German block.

This action is outright censorship and is not justified. Everything that can be seen on Ogrish.com is included in everyday life?it's grim reality presented in an unbiased way. Nobody is forced to look at this material and to discourage accidental viewing by sensitive or underage visitors, we have established a warning and age verification page for first time visitors. We may even consider a German-language warning page. However, please remember that limiting underage access to adult material is the responsibility of parents?and there's sufficient software to aid parents in this endeavor.

With the nature of the Internet and free speech, it is up to the population to decide whether or not to visit Ogrish.com?the government should not make that decision for them.

Germany is trying very hard to shut us down and the "Jugendschutz.net" organization previously contacted our advertisers and payment systems to try to do as much damage as possible.

Obviously we will fight against these ridiculous actions.

Sincerely,

Ogrish.com
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/germa...g_25_2005.html

do you remember eye of the beholder by metallica? :Oh crap

Do you see what i see?
Truth is an offence
You silence for your confidence

Do you hear what i hear?
Doors are slamming shut
Limit your imagination, keep you where they must

Do you feel what i feel?
Bittering distress
Who decides what you express

Do you take what i take?
Endurance is the word
Moving back instead of forward seems to me absurd

Doesn't matter what you see?
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it's done just how i say

Independence limited
Freedom of choice
Choice is mad for you my friend
Freedom of speech
Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception

Do you fear what i fear?
Living properly
Truths to you are lies to me

Do you choose what i choose?
More alternives
Energy derives from both the plus and negative

Do you need what i need?
Boundaries overthrown
Look inside to each his own

Do you trust what i trust?
Me, myself and i
Penetrate the smoke screen i see through the selfishlie

Doesn't matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it's done just how i say

Independence limited
Freedom of choice
Choice is mad for you my friend
Freedom of speech
Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception

Do you know what i know?
Your money end your wealth
Your silence just to hear your self

Do you want what i want?
Desire not a thing
I hunger after independence lengthen freedom's ring

Doesn't matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it's done just how i say

Independence limited
Freedom of choice
Choice is mad for you my friend
Freedom of speech
Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception

Doesn't matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it's done just how i say

Thanks for the info :thumbsup

The guys from Jugendschutz.net are creazy :Oh crap

i read that there today, weird, i hardly ever go there anymore.

That's just the beginning. There will be a lot more censorship after the conservative partie has won the elections on 18.09.

i can't see the page.

Europe is so free and open.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

most Europeans think it is anyways :1orglaugh

http://www.cox.com/ aka www.rr.com in my area,

blocks emails with known big companies URL's in them.
If you call them and ask, they swear they do NOT block anything, it must be
the end users spam filter, once I told them I have done several tests, they then did say they are trying to "Clean' the internet.

I can NOT send an email that contains the URL's of some Adult Companies,
Here is just a few

www.cumfiesta.com
www.tawneestone.com
www.teenkelly.com
www.jordancapri.com

Think about people, using this ISP and wanting to write to customer service,
For passwords, and or to cancel...

I was told I could Email, and asked to be removed, but it would be a waste of time...

I am not saying there are Not ways around this, like form mail on the site, but
think about it, there is several cancel buttons, but people still email us to do it...

no block here... (I'm in the EU)

I blame george bush :1orglaugh

LOL Maddox's page is blocked by a bunch of ISP in the US....you think europeans are the first one to do it?...

Hmm, I am in germany right now. Ogrish loads perfect to me and I use the german telecom...so the biggest company in this fucked up country.

BTW: Give jugendschutz.net no chance..they have no power outside germany and they try to do things, what are not even in the german law.....so fuck them and send them the paper back: 60 years ago, you guys tried it already one time !!! don´t try it a second time !!! :action-sm

Owned678

i had a friend goto ogrish.com hes in germany and hes not blocked, its only selected areas.

You idiots file a law suit of some sort and make that money.

God damn...

i can't access it - not that i care in this case. but in general these people at jugendschutz.net are really crazy - about the same way the religious rights are in the US

Already posted. Ofcourse.

:thumbsup

true, can't access the website...

Amazing how many in the US fail to understand that Europe isn't a country and that the obscenity laws and freedom of speech can vary hugely from country to country. Idiot.

Ogirsh has a Dutch owner.

Is this because why I can't open that beaten Iraq soldier clip?