Gaza, what the fuck is all the fighting about?
 

Why are they forcing those people to leave? I haven't followed up on this at all.

I hate fighting.


:(

it's all the jew's fault

:thumbsup

The quick and dirty version - Orthedox Jews are being forcebly removed from their homes to give the land back to Palestinian Arabs in the hope that it might bring about a peace bargaining chip

The reality is that most Jew believe this place is their birthright and has been contested for over 2500 years - including when Israel first formed an independent state in the 1940s - and then was attacked by 7 Arab countries the next day :(

Heres a quick and dirty news link to whats going on now:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1056523.htm

These people will never learn. All you can do is stand back and let em kill each other. If after 2500 years certain people can't settle their differences then there's no saving them.

too much damn fighting... I hate it!

killing a jew saves a tree !

Oh...so now everyone LOVES the rocket launcher carrying, gun toting, black mask wearing Arabs who can't solve anything without blowing something up?

:winkwink:

J.

Nice Reader Digest version...

Devoid of facts, hard hitting, and all fluff.



I'd like to learn more about the "Orthedox" settlers being removed from their government settlements... can you teach me?

Funny.

Posting "save a tree branch... shoot the n@#$#r" surely would've gotten anyone banned, but yet you can post your trash.

I don't get it, the Jews are displaced from their land by the Germans so they are given a new country with which all Jews can live safely; and then they turn around and displace the Palestinians. Seems like the Israelis are visiting upon that people the same indignity they undured. I'm sure there may be a little more to it than that but I suppose I don't feel too sorry for settlers that are losing their homes as a result of a 35 year illegal occupation.

idiot...

thats why I included the link - and if youre concerned about the use of the term orthodox or that I mis-spelled it - sorry - but the fact is that there has been quite a bit of news lately that showed (maybe wrongly) that Orthodox Israelis' were the most vehement against the pullout (understandable) including many soldiers in the Israeli Army (again described as Orthodox Jewish in the news) that have gone to prison for failure to support the removal of the settlers??

Or did I completely miss your point?

The sad thing is that I found out why they were fighting in the Middle East from reading debates from GFY.

For around 24 years I had no clue why they were fighting, I always see stuff on the news about people shooting and stuff but I never really knew why or anything, it's not like it's something that was taught in school. Plus I'm not the type of person really into politics or current events so I had no clue until I read this board... lol

It's about some people fighting for land beause some was given to Jews after WW2. That's all I know... lol

Yes -- you did, but I would have too (if the tables were turned)...

My only point was there is much, much, much more to it than your post or link could have ever provided. Didn't want people to take your post as fact.



Sorry I "highlighted" the misspelling... lowbrow move.

Well - just to clear up one misconception :)
The Israeli state in Palestine was actually "created" in 1922 by the League of Nations - after WW2 the state declared their independence which led to an invasion by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq the next day. Israel was sucessful at defending their state for 15 months - then the UN stepped in and was able to come up with armistice agreements with all of the countries except Iraq which refused to negotiate with Israel. This divided up all of the land into different regions - with Israel getting a small piece - and they opened their country to all Jews to immigration.
There have been continuous wars ever since between Arabs and Israelis - and tons of different peace negotiations that the US has tried to get in the middle of.
The details and day to day history make for good reading - or if you are as old as I am - old memories :)

Wikipedia saves the day once again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...inian_conflict
Everyone should know about this since most of the terrorism and war on terror crap originates in these conflicts.

WTF does this have to do with the fighting in Gaza now? Israeli soldiers fighting with Israeli settlers who were given the land by the Israeli government?

The conflict is another story... it's not this one.

Well it might be of interest to know how these people came to end up on that piece of land and why they are being removed now...or do you think it`s unrelated?

You overestimate the average gfy'er and (by you links) dismiss anything before 1917. Is that your complete history of the land and the people there?

Anyway, wikipedia to the rescue once again :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...ngagement_plan

who gives a shit, let em fight to there all gone.

Exactly - this is something that is from way before even the "supposed" Christ appeared - I have a really bad memory so most of what I learned in my Reform teaching is stuffed away in some long-gone brain cells - but agree that there is something basically wrong here when you read of Jewish soldiers, the settlers and the original Palestinians thousands of years ago - which unfortunately most of the mainstream news media has missed as well.

israel was formed in 48', then in 67' there was another war and we conquered lands, those lands were never really under israeli official territory, there was the military law running palestinians lives.
the settlers are those who live in those conquered lands which no country in the world recognizes israel's sovernty over there.

at the end of the day, full agreement and peace will come only when all those 200,000 settlers will be forced out back to the old borders and in this territory the new palestinian state will be formed.

most palestinians accept it, the world accepts it, about 40-50% of israelis accept it, the current palstinian leadership accepts and, and i believe them.
but sharon takes his time... he believes in midway solutions and he got bushh's back so far.

so nothing exciting really happened. 8000 of those 200,000 settlers were forced out. nothing is really solved yet.

i belive the peoples will force the leaders to accept the agreement. my guess - peace in 3-6 years.

my iPod engraving says - peace in the middle east by 2010. but i'm not a common israeli so who knows.
it's more up to bush than it's up to us... like everywhere in the world.

the basics are this:

the Isrealies and the Palastinian leaders have been going back and forth about peace for years. Just when they get close to an agreement something happens and it stalls. So the jewish leaders decided that the best way to move towards peace to to evacuate gaza and let the arabs have it. There are some hardline jews living in gaza who are now refusing to leave and the government is forcing them to against their will.

It would be like if your town decided to surrender one of it's neighborhoods to the neighboring town and you lived in that neighborhood. They are forcing you to leave ( the government will pay for your move and buy you a new house ) but you decide this is your home and you are not going so the police show up at your door step and take you out by force.

It's a bad move by the isrealie leadership because all they are doing is causing a rift among their own people and showing to the world that terrorism, if carried out long enough, can work.

Also it will settle nothing, this part of the world has known nothing but bloodshed since before recorded history, there is no reason to think it will stop now.

One group just needs to give the other group some of the land and the exclusive rights to casino's. :winkwink:

Erm..no. I don`t own wikipedia nor do I write for it.
I am aware jewish people claim that land was given to them according to the bible and stuff.Sorry if I don`t think that`s a good excuse for taking it over 1900 years later.

The bible has lots of good stuff in it.

If we all lived by the bible we could fucking do some midevel ass shit.

God sai we can do this:

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

we can rape a country, fuck their kids, their women, and enslave them.

much more too. ill post a few others.

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

here is why you see so many children being killed:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

What exactly are you talking about?

This thread is about CURRENT violence in the Gaza strip. It's not about 1900 years ago, the 1917+ WIKI version of the conflict, or the last "peace accord".

Do you have anything to add....

You are so fucking lost man! :1orglaugh

It's all Bush's fault

seriously :)

Dont be such a hypocrite... is just the kind of things the US Gov. does all around the world... killing people and blowing up everything!

Hypocrite! :mad:

short answer: Jews are beig forced by their govt to leave their settlements in the gaza strip in hopes of bringing about a peace.


Go google it for more indepth info. GFY is garbage for anything news related

Not at all--GFY still got reliable media personnels.

Need to read man. :(

chaos had been there for some time now.

That's not what Bush says, he says it's because terrorists hate freedom & democracy :2 cents:

Just to confuse the "orthodoxy" issue further, some orthodox jews (I suppose you could call them ultra-orthodox for convenience) do not believe the modern state of Israel should exist at all. According to their interpretation of the Torah (most Jews accept the same interpretation, but ignore it for pragmatic reasons) Israel should not rise again until the coming of the Messiah.

BTW although the majority of settlers in the West Bank and Gaza are religious Jews, not all are. And after the large payouts to the settlers who had to evacuate the Sinai in 1982, some cynics suggested a few settlers might even be motivated by the expectation of similar rewards.

what a never ending war this world has! :(

Is their any group of people that you don't hate?