Internet marijuana seed dealers raided by RCMP, extradition to US requested by DEA
 

I remember KRL asking about the legalities of internet seed dealing about a year ago. The indictment says it is a $3 million dollar a year business that Emery was running.

From the looks of the indictment he is charged as if he was selling marijuana and conspiring with Americans to cultivate. His seeds have been traced to illegal grows in a number of states.

Mainstream media reports:

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&gl...story_id%3D280

Here is the article from his site regarding the raids, a different point of view:

http://www.cannabisculture.ca/articles/4466.html

Alot of questions have been raised on this forum from non-US residents about what can happen if you break US law and do not reside in the US, this is a perfect example of the use of the MLAT between the US and Canada.

The DEA requested cooperation from the Canadians and got it without hesitation. If extradited and convicted, Emery will likely die in jail.

Damn, where i am going to bye my weed from now!?

the war on morality just keeps heating up!

I hope he really doesn't keep a list of clients like he claims he does :1orglaugh

Whats funny is that on all the marijuana boards they are saying the same thing, like 'I hope he dosent give up his client list'.

Fact is, the DEA most likely has his client list now, that is the purpose of the search warrant and raid. It is not his to negotiate with or to give up if he feels like it or not.

If they did not find it in the raids they could compel him to produce it under the threat of contempt charges.

you better believe theres going to be several thousand american grow ops served over this

who better to attack than canada's most visible pot figure-head.....

emery won't last a minute in jail in the U.S., he'll roll on all his customers & contacts

He claims to not keep a client list. So if this is the case, there should be nothing to worry about.

Gonna have to watch and see how this pans out. Thank God for fake names and office delivery :1orglaugh

^ just re-arranged that for you

I'd love to know who the other 2 were......anyone got that info?

Damn... oddly enough it isn't illegal to order it... I like that.

And this has nothing to do with national security...... ding ding ding


People who think they are safe in Canada, or vise versa have smoked too much.

His assistant,some chick and some dude working in the store..He is based in Vancouver

Gregory Williams and Michelle Rainey-Fenkarek were picked up in Vancouver.

Apparantly there were other raids and arrests at the hemp festival in Halifax, all done simultaneously involving other seed dealers, this is according to forum gossip on some of the marijuana boards that I follow.

Emery was definately the biggest in the business though.

I think for an American the possession of a seed is illegal.

Large scale distribution, smuggling and trafficking of illegal marijuana seeds to the US for the past 10 years is a bit different than a Canadian who alledgedly 'hacked' or exposed the vulnerabilities in your servers. Besides, you are a pornographic webmaster, it is the DEA that appealed to the Canadian government to get this special warrant, I doubt you have that sort of pull. Yes, the MLAT is there, but is is rarely used and when used it normally involves a crime of some significance.

I think for extradition to be granted, his conduct needs to be punishable both in America AND Canada (not just one of the countries).

Is Emery's conduct punishable in Canada?

Is selling Marijuana seeds legal in either Canada or the US? I didn't think it was.
WG

sounds like the DEA strongarmed the canadians into enforcing this MLAT shit....sounds like they didn't even wanna do it

It is a violation of Canadian law to export known contraband.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Next you're going to be telling me they'll be arresting Canadians for breaking US copyright laws by downloading shared music files, and deporting them to the United States. Oh wait.

It is definately illegal in the US. I remember some stores on Yonge St. in Toronto being raided years ago for selling seeds, not sure what resulted though. I think it would be a summary offence in Canada (which is like a US misdemeanor).

Strong armed how? Despite what you might think, Canada doesnt just fold to American will.

Witness file sharing laws.
Witness missile defense shield.

know contraband in any country? or known contraband in Canada?

Are marijuana seeds considered contraband in Canada?

The process for extradition from Canada continues to have both a judicial and an executive phase. At the judicial phase, a judge will determine if the conduct constitutes an offence in Canada and if there is sufficient evidence such that, had it occurred in Canada, the person would be committed to stand trial. At the executive phase, the Minister of Justice will decide whether or not to surrender, taking into account all of the circumstances and any applicable ground of refusal

http://www.oas.org/Juridico/mla/en/c...-gen-desc.html

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It is illegal to export something to a country where the product is illegal, regardless of the legality of the product in Canada. It is the responsiblity of the exporter to know the laws of the country which he is exporting to.

Here is a similar case involving a product that is legal in Canada but illegal in the US and the MLAT was used in this case also:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?oneclick=true

GBL and BD are both legal products in Canada (used in industrial cleaners without restrictions) but controlled in the US, they are the precursors for GHB.

Can you post the text of this article...I don't feel like signing up.

<--- typical stoner

Marc Emery is a Canadian hero and has been for years. I wish him luck.

This is an old article, if you do a search for 'Daniel Pelchat' and 'GHB' you will find many articles on this, he made millions exporting GHB 'kits' to the US which were comprised of products that are technically legal in Canada but illegal in the US.

Even most of the stoner community sees Emery as a jackass, except on his Cannibus Culture forum.

That I can do. Thanks.

This has nothing to do with my servers. Fris is a criminal, goes way beyond any kiddie games he played on my servers. In time, sheep will see and I once again will be applauded for helping to fry a scammer.

fucking crazy though, that the US government officials are putting so many blatantly setup and fake statistics and warnings:

"People don't say that, but right now in America, there are more kids in treatment for addiction to marijuana than every other illegal drug combined."



These kids dont NEED treatment for marijuana, they just want to smoke it and rebel against parents, parents say ok, you are going into treatment, or because they got caught with weed and they were FORCED into "treatment" by the court

So the government forces kids into treatment and then uses it as their reasoning for marijuana being bad

Here's an informative link about this case:


http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/webslinger.html

Damn, they must have a list of addressed of thousands of clients :Oh crap

pretty fucked up that he gets busted by the US for selling seeds.

doesn't look like it's stoppin' this guy...

http://www.thcseeds.com/new/images/stories/norm.jpg

http://www.thcseeds.com/new/

instruction:

http://www.thcseeds.com/new/content/view/42/59/

"People don't say that, but right now in America, there are more kids in treatment for addiction to marijuana than every other illegal drug combined."

That's pulled directly from the "no shit Sherlock" files. As if kids would have easy access to coke, heroin, crystal meth, etc. OF COURSE pot is easier to obtain than other drugs and consequently more kids get caught with pot than with anything else.

The Vancouver Police Department has known about Emery selling seeds for years and if they would have been able to get a conviction in Canada for this, he would have been shut down a long time ago. It's because of the DEA that the shit has hit the fan. An extradition process can take a very long time to get done, especially with someone like Emery who's got the financial means to drag it on for many years. Even then, there's no guarantee that he'll have to get to Seattle to face charges.

It is an offence in Canada to not maintain proper business records.

Business records for taxes and whatnot yes. But to not maintain a list that could be used for marketing (mail, telemarketing or whatever) is something else. If it was like that, every store would do like Radio Shack and ask you for your phone number and name every time you buy a soda.

I don't see how you could maintain proper business records if you state on your site that you destroy order information as soon as it is shipped.

What section of the criminal code mentions that?

286(3) of the excise tax act for instance, there are similar provisions in the income tax act.

tax records are entirely different from client records. If the two where as intertwined as you suggest they are, Safeway would ask for all your details when you're getting groceries.

True. I still imagine that records existed though, lets say he emailed order confirmations, every order would be on the server.

I am actually personal freinds with Marc, and extremly close friends with one of the people involved in the raid last night (got a call as they were being arrested).

This goes way deeper than you could imagine..

elaborate on that

helll...i didn't know you could make money off of seeds?

i been throwing mine away. lol