American vs British response to the terrorist attacks
 

As an American in london who witnessed the hysteria around the bombings that happened today I remember the anger we americans felt when 9-11 happened and the scenes happening on every channel are pissing everyone off to the point that they will demand something be done in response.
First of all there is no way that the English people would be dumb enough to let their government lie them into some totally unrelated conflict in a totally unrelated country where a bunch of the prime minister's buddies happen to make billions off the deal. (See the deal inked yesterday between Haliburton and US military worth 5 billion..one is a series of similar deals)
4 years after 9-11 al quaida is stronger than ever. We havent gotten the guys that did the deed. But the gov parlayed the fear that the event caused into making lots of folks many billions.
Shit pisses me off..
Will be interesting the difference in the English administration's response....if it can withstand the lure of the massive potential for financial gain that has become available to them throiugh now. They've seen america do it..and do it well...make money from fear that is...while totally ignoring and actually fueling the fire of the real problem.
The hard won sheep mentality that the US conservatives have spent years cultivating with the american media dosent exist in england so pulling the wool over the eyes of the Brits would be tough.
My guess is they will do a better job...might even get the guys... and use 1/10000 the resources we are using in iraq to do it.

yeah, just see how quick blair makes a new alliance with bush and the US.......because they need our help of course.

I hope you're not serious.

edited ;]

i thought blair's speach was really good actually.. very balanced

Hmmmmm.... Wonder if they'll go bomb the shit out of Ethiopia now. I hear they might have some weapons of mass destruction there.....

:thumbsup

I can't wait till we are all muslim

i can have 8 wives and cheat on all of them

No shaving and just wear a long white t-shirt.

They already did that :)

The response will be like what Spains response was.

I like this contrast of responses:

QUEEN Elizabeth II said she was "deeply shocked" by a wave of terrorist attacks on London underground trains and a bus, and sent her sympathy to those affected.

Meanwhile, US President George W. Bush said Thursday the London blasts showed the war on terrorism must continue.
"The war on terrorism is on," Mr Bush told reporters on the sidelines of the Group of Eight summit here.



Bush is a classic :)

dont we already have alliances considering we mutually support action and make up the majority of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Dont we have an Alliance? Havnt we supported you in every war? What help exactly do we need from you?

Yeah blair and the Queens comments were pretty tactful and considerate to those affected.

ONe fair point made after was its a shame London and londoner's have been targeted as its arguably the most tolerant,multicultural cities in the world yet it targeted for a cultural grievence/war

what's so funny about it?

should we all just be "shocked" about terrorist attacks instead of fighting terrorism?

Thats what i thought

IN the quote on TV here he didnt (bush) have much to say about the UK, only that he was telling state leader to be on alert.
You could say insensitive, butthen that could be down to editing.

We stand next to them, side by side, soldiers dying daily, against the whole of European opinion, in a war that turns out to have been started for made up reasons. But we are still there with them, and for people to say things like this.

I didn't say anything was funny about it, why would you suggest it's funny?

GFY idiocy knows no bounds.
It seems trash takes any opportunity to spew their uneducated rants.

you said "Bush is a classic"

did you think that was funny?

are you a retard?

But you won't have your porn sites then, and will have probably be executed for having run them.

you accused me of being funny, but I didn't say anything funny.
I think you've missunderstood my post

Entertainment- we own hollywood :2 cents:

Gotta love the news

BBC London says there are at least 2 people killed, but a U.S. law enforcement official says there are at least 40 people killed. Big difference.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Don't count on it, the UK has been fighting terrorism for many year's and never backed down...

Ah I see, Hollywood is a free service you provide to the U.K, I was under the impression that the people who made these films sell them for money, which they exchange for goods and services, Im glad you explained that to me.

Yes hollywood is pretty good at re-writing history with all the shit that comes out of there.

You can be shocked and fight it at the same time. However its not the queens job how to fight it. The politicians take care of that. "Problem" with this war against these terrorists is that you can't fight it by attacking countries. You don't know who the enemy is and where they will strike. They operate in independent cells in each country. Only way is to investigate and watch over suspicious groups, put higher security on all public places, but that has its price. Many attacks has been stopped that way already, but this time they could not, and people are by nature shocked.

Well we skipped on Vietnam....UK military advised Wilson - UK premier at the time - that it was a disaster waiting to happen and to steer clear

...as for what will happen after todays bombs....not a lot really...worked in London during the height of the Irish bombing campaigns and had a couple of close calls but truth is we all got used to it, basically London has been a bomb target since the early seventies so not exactly new territory..although its been reported that some 'security people' are nostalgic over the Irish bombing campaign as it was easier to deal with!

As for needing American 'help' er yeah right..just what we need :thumbsup

You shouldnt have given that post the dignity of responding to it. Hes obviously a tosser of the highest order and knows fuck all about anything.

Spains reaction came because it forced voters to pick a government that was anti war, we dont have an election comming up for 4 years, and both our two parties are for the war, so anyone who wasnt a complete fool would know there is a difference

true statement.....

oh, so you've seen the new Batman movie?

yes you are probally right..just annoying some of the clueless idiots that post on this board for sig views etc...

I dunno maybe we could use it as an excuse to invade france or something ?

you pointed out what you believe was irony in bush's reply to the attacks and you found his reply to be "classic".
so I asked what's so funny about his reply?

I know that. I find nothing wrong with the queen's response.

however BlueDesignStudios found something "classic" about Bush's response, and I wanted to know what it was.

last time I checked, Bush WAS one of those politicians you're talking about.

I doubt.

UK leaders and people are not stupid cowards.

it was some crazy shit thats for sure

some of us would disagree about our leaders not being stupid :winkwink:


But you are right, It wont make any difference.

You need a beating

*sigh* :ugone2far

so far there are 33 deaths confirmed...

you aren't starting with the same base...the 9/11 stuff came out of the blue...this in part of the same fight in the eyes of people that are fighting it so there isn't going to be a big war launched in addition to what is going on. The British have more experience with being bombed and London in particular..people will largely brush it off but I do think we are in place for a major overhaul of Underground security.

Well the BBC have more of a responsibility to the British public than the US law enforcement and they are only going to report offical numbers. Part of the problem with things like CNN, Fox News, etc is they speculate too much.

I'm not so sure about the security in the underground being overhauled, I doubt much will change if anything. Apart from maybe some politition may get more backing for I.D cards

The base i'm refering to is mainly the cultural difference between the two societies and administrations. I wasnt here in london when the ramp up to the iraqi invasion was going on. But i dont think it was done in a massive media campaign of contrived patriotism and fear to get the public to go along with it.
From what i saw back then it appeared most of the public was against sending troops but Blair just pulled the right strings and made it happen anyway. The majority of the US public just ate it all up...the WMD's..yellow cake uranium from Nigeria...Al quaida meeting with Sadaam Hussien etc
What i mean is i just dont that it could happen here in the UK for a few reasons...i mean public support for it based on BS that is believed out of fear and getting amped on patriotism.

I never see police on platforms..they say they are there but I never see them...that will be stepped up for a while.