Cross-sales on join pages: To Pre-Check or not Pre-Check...
 

Just did an informal survey of various join pages and found the following results:

ARS: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$39.95 rebill).

Top Bucks: Currently pre-checks two different cross-sells (Both $1.00 trials, but two different rebill rates: $29.95 and $39.84l).

Nasty Dollars: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

Reality Cash: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$19.80 rebill).

Perfect Gonzo: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.00 trial/$29.95 rebill).

Bang Bros: Currently pre-checks a single cross-sell ($1.95 trial/$26.91 rebill).

I was surprised a bit as I expected there to be fewer pre-checked cross-sells based on typical GFY banter each day about charge backs etc. Looks like it's become pretty standard at the majors. All of the above use Paycom btw.

If it's so widespread at the top, why are the smaller mom & pop webmasters afraid to adopt it?

well if you notice a pattern that everyone who is rich is using cross sells. Smaller programs rather kiss the surfers ass then make money plus you are not going to have happy affilates if you are a revshare program with cross sells

bump de bump

I ussualy sell the lower $ trials. And they work out just fine.

Higher % for cross sales

BTW. What does these sponsors payout per cross sale?

Eh. alot have the cross sale. The one that makes me scratch my head is the prechecked cross sale a site that is on the " join now and get all insert number sites for free list" I don't understand why/how paycom can allow this.

I've seen an " All access" site with a prechecked cross sale to itself as recently as 10 minutes ago


Guess thats the way to get the ol bank roll phat and quick.

Check the newbie dictionary for "prechecked cross sell"

Just realized I didn't answer the question. Pre-check for a while and try it without. nothing has to be final.

check sic cash :(

lots of things used to be wide spread at the "top", a few years ago there were some bigger sites then you listed, I think the FTC judgement against them kinda cut into some of their profits. If it does not seem legit its probably not. I think prechecking additional memberships may have been on the judgement against those other sites a few years ago, not positive, but I think it was.

You can try anything you want, just make sure your not wrong or can handle the consequences that will eventually come down.

Hell yea baby they know what they are doing thats why :thumbsup

I'm paying $18 per cross sale for 12pornosites 50% will leave it checked hit me up for more info

And this statement hereby ends this thread....Nothing more can be said.

It's all about transaction counts. If you're doing enough valid non-chargeback type transactions each day (i.e. cheap paid trials) then you can absorb just about anything and still not hit the magic 1% level. Which is why the biggies listed here can do it without a problem. Hell Top Bucks even has two pre-checked at the moment, some poor sons a bitches get dinged with a nice $100 rebill after the 3-Day trials recur I'd imagine...yeah that's good for the industry. :1orglaugh

Since I started this thread I've been playing with cross-sells being pre-checked and the only surfers who are leaving them in place are non-English speaking. I'm going to assume it's because they probably don't know to un-check them, which brings up an entirely different ethical discussion...

I didn't check you guys Rog, what is PP doing at the moment on them?

Making a full sale = getting laid
Upsell = You get to use the poop chute too
Getting a cross sell = she lets your friend fuck her too, now he owes you a 3some with his chick
One-click crosssell = introducing her to your friend, while she's naked in your bed, before she cums
Prechecked cross sell = all your friends fuck her after she passes out
Double prechecked cross sell = then they pee on her too

Actually its all about deceptive practices. If you deceive people or your intent is to deceive which an argument can be made that prechecking a box is deceptive, because it could be left unchecked and if you wanted it then it checked.
here is some good reading into what the FTC saw as deceptive practices because of complaints.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/10/rjbtelcomcomplaint.htm
and some more indepth
http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/RJBTelcom.htm

I know most of you were all noobs in 1999-2000 or were not even on the scene yet, but if it looks deceptive it probably is.

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look at how ours reads :winkwink:

Sounds much better than a name of a site LOL

If anyone copies me :321GFY I'm sure they will LOL

I think it all depends on your chargeback ratio... bigger companies have less chargebacks % therefore they can go pre-checked... just imho

LOL Steve, wth...

Roger: Best text I've seen by far.

Venus: No question.

here is the settlement
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/09/rjb1.htm

note the part which could easily be applied to prechecked sales:

" The settlement permanently bars the defendants from billing consumers without their express, verifiable authorization; "

someone that doesn't read english sees this:

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Isn't a prechecked crosssell like finding out that, because you bought a hamburger, McDonalds also put McNuggets at the bottom of your bag and then charged you for it when you didn't request them to remove it before you left the counter?

That's a good analogy, and the same point Venus is making, using the FTC's language to illustrate it.

As to it being something that is actively pursued, as mailers are per se, with fines and punishment, versus just not being allowed any longer at some point, is the real question (barring ethical repercussions).

It might be a case where sponsors are figuring "Well it won't last forever. So I'm making hay while the sun shines" assuming that eventually CC processors simply won't allow it. It's pretty clear they don't fear any sort of active reprisal by the FTC over it as they do mailers.

People dont fear something untill it happens.
You ever watch cops ... see the bad guy getting busted, crying their ass off and saying they are sorry, dont take me to jail ... crying like little bitches.

venus, if cross sales were considered deceiving by the FTC they wouldn't be available since long time ago. The rjb case was different:

"In October 2000, the FTC filed suit in U.S. District Court in Phoenix, Arizona alleging that RJB Telecom and its principals, Robert and Richard Botto, operated adult web sites that provided viewers a free "teaser" visit and allowed the option of paying by credit cards or telephone bills for membership. According to the FTC, large numbers of consumers complained that they were billed for access to the web sites without their authorization, and in many instances, had never accessed the web sites at all. "

Are these the same 12 sites you promise for free on the tour(s)?
Just checking.

you can read it anyway you want it, prechecked sales are deceiving, people using themn know they are. I personally will not use them but your more then welcome.
you know back in 2000 people said the same thing about dialers - untill this case came down.

We have 2 prechecked crosses and it doesn't effect sales 1 bit from our experience 80-85% just uncheck it anyways. Plus its doesn't increase chargebacks we are at 0.20% chargeback ratio right now with 2 prechecked crosses. :-)

Is there a difference between 12pornosites and the Dirty dozen that the member gets for free when they join one of your sites?? The titles look the same. ...... I could be wrong thats why I am asking.

the 15% that leave it checked adds up

I would like to know this too.

what's worse is when i bought my hamburger and drove off to find out they forgot to give me my ketchup, straw and napkins to save a few bucks even after they got me to super size.

It's not the same. 12pornosites has its own members section

the dirty dozen has access into each members section of all the sites

hope this makes sense

Wether I agree or dissagree with cross sales I have to do whatever it takes to keep up with the market and webmaster demands. its just business

You have to get "permission" from paycom to even HAVE a pre-checked cross....

If you do not do enough biz...they won't even let you do it....

ROTFLMFAO, great analogy Steve

Perfect sense, that's why I asked.

Thanks RogerV

I BUY X SALES, I WILL PRE PAY AT $18 PER HIT ME UP ASAP!! :thumbsup

perfectgonzo cross sells to themselves i assume the join is worth more to them like that