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Odin88 06-28-2005 06:10 AM

$5.5 Billion Fusion Reactor To Be Built
 
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/0506.../050627-5.html

This will quite possibly be one of the biggest breakthroughs in human history if they can finally manage to produce more energy from this process than it requires to run it.

"If all goes to plan, ITER will generate five to ten times more energy than is put in to it. "

Some good nuclear news for a change :thumbsup

pr0 06-28-2005 06:11 AM

some good news for australia too since they are sitting on 30% of the world uranium eh?

crockett 06-28-2005 06:12 AM

...or it will blow a big whole in the groud all the way to China..

woj 06-28-2005 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
some good news for australia too since they are sitting on 30% of the world uranium eh?

I thought it would be bad news, since fusion reactors don't use uranium?

MacDaddyPlaya 06-28-2005 06:42 AM

Isn't that how Doc Oc came to be. We better get Spiderman on alert.

Cassie 06-28-2005 06:45 AM

lets see who france will sell out to this time!

first iraq and then possibly iran, libya, yemen.......?

jollyperv 06-28-2005 06:45 AM

Amazing news. We need to do whatever we can, and fast, to move as far away from an oil based economy as we can get; or we are all doomed.

Odin88 06-28-2005 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv
Amazing news. We need to do whatever we can, and fast, to move as far away from an oil based economy as we can get; or we are all doomed.

yep. one of the biggest problems with hydrogen cars is the amount of power required to develop the fuel. it kind of undermines both the cost and environmental benefits. this would solve both of them. ive been interested in fusion ever since i caught a discovery documentary some time back, and i think the effects of this project (if successful) will be enormous. oh, and cassie - you seem like a silly whore.

dready 06-28-2005 07:38 AM

It was supposed to be built in Darlington outside of Toronto but fucking feds dropped the ball on that one big time. The experiment will go on for the next 15 years. A commercial fusion reactor likely won't be built until 2040-2050... well after we've run out of oil and uranium.

Code_Havoc 06-28-2005 07:44 AM

Something like that would be an amazing breakthrough in the field of energy, but the risks of initial-developement are insane. If they built that thing and blew, they could level an entire section of France. And if it works the US Government is gonna be a mad house with them trying to figure out how to rape the tax payers with taxing it.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-28-2005 07:58 AM

The $5.5 billion is not to build a permanent power station. That is just to construct a test facility, since to date (quoting the same article), "(d)espite more than 50 years of research, scientists have not yet been able to make a fusion reactor here on Earth that produces more energy than they put in."

If it costs $5.5 billion to build a test reactor, think how much actual reactors will cost, if they are even proven to be feasible.

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tungsten 06-28-2005 07:59 AM

good news indeed

SeniorX 06-28-2005 09:17 AM

it's already the real thing - they've been able to get back 200-300% the energy they put in already, the testing is just to keep it stable.

The Heron 06-28-2005 09:24 AM

Not going to help any of us, so don't care.

BRISK 06-28-2005 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Code_Havoc
Something like that would be an amazing breakthrough in the field of energy, but the risks of initial-developement are insane. If they built that thing and blew, they could level an entire section of France. And if it works the US Government is gonna be a mad house with them trying to figure out how to rape the tax payers with taxing it.

I've read many times that fusion reactors much safer than fission reactors, and the world is already full of fission reactors. So perhaps it's not really that insane.

Code_Havoc 06-28-2005 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK
I've read many times that fusion reactors much safer than fission reactors, and the world is already full of fission reactors. So perhaps it's not really that insane.

But are they reactors of that magnitude? I understand that a lot of research has been done on it, but anytime you make a jump from small-scale to large-scale, there're always variables you never had to deal with. And I'm all for this, so don't take it that I'm listing reasons to not do it, hell I'd go help if I could. Just also don't wanna see half a country blown off the map cause of a miscalculation. But in retrospect, you never know if you never try.

bhutocracy 06-28-2005 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Code_Havoc
But are they reactors of that magnitude? I understand that a lot of research has been done on it, but anytime you make a jump from small-scale to large-scale, there're always variables you never had to deal with. And I'm all for this, so don't take it that I'm listing reasons to not do it, hell I'd go help if I could. Just also don't wanna see half a country blown off the map cause of a miscalculation. But in retrospect, you never know if you never try.

I'd be more worried about particle accelerators.

Rui 06-28-2005 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassie
lets see who france will sell out to this time!

first iraq and then possibly iran, libya, yemen.......?

Some would say "sell out" is better than killing civilians, start "fantasy" wars, steal from others and supply questionable countrys with weapons... :2 cents:

jollyperv 06-28-2005 09:45 AM

2 more years till CERN. They are going to discover some really crazy fucking shit once that goes online.

pornguy 06-28-2005 09:50 AM

It could be something that saves the world a ton, unless it falls into the hands of people like the ones that run the US.

Tony Montana 06-28-2005 09:51 AM

The old crush the plasma with the magnet thing. They've been trying that forever. Doesn't look like anything new to me

BRISK 06-28-2005 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Code_Havoc
But are they reactors of that magnitude? I understand that a lot of research has been done on it, but anytime you make a jump from small-scale to large-scale, there're always variables you never had to deal with. And I'm all for this, so don't take it that I'm listing reasons to not do it, hell I'd go help if I could. Just also don't wanna see half a country blown off the map cause of a miscalculation. But in retrospect, you never know if you never try.

The likelihood of a catastrophic accident in a fusion reactor in which injury or loss of life occurs is much smaller than that of a fission reactor. The primary reason is that the fuel contained in the reaction chamber is only enough to sustain the reaction for about a minute, whereas a fission reactor contains about a year's supply of fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_...nmental_issues

I don't think the size of the reactor really matters, the difference between the types of reactions seems to be where the difference in safety lies.

tranza 06-28-2005 09:53 AM

"The ITER fusion reactor aims to heat a mass of gas plasma to 200 million °C."

How awesome is that???

FilthyRob 06-28-2005 09:54 AM

yeah, saw this done on Spiderman 2, didn't turn out well

MrAwesome 06-28-2005 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza
"The ITER fusion reactor aims to heat a mass of gas plasma to 200 million °C."

How awesome is that???

now that sounds safe

Rhesus 06-28-2005 10:02 AM

First of all, fusion reactors aren't fission reactors that use Uranium. A fusion reactor doesn't split, but aims to fuse deuterium and tritium, two forms of the hydrogen atom.

Furthermore, fusion has nothing to do with burning hydrogen in car engines. In the latter case two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom would form a water molecule and a lot of energy.

Morgan 06-28-2005 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya
Isn't that how Doc Oc came to be. We better get Spiderman on alert.

Did someone say Doc OC Cash?

Dirty Dane 06-28-2005 10:29 AM

Water, Wind, Salt and Solar energy is the way to go. I buy that, especially water/wind energy, it cost a little extra, but its worth it. Too bad not many consumers think that way.

wedouglas 06-28-2005 11:11 AM

yup, good stuff to come from this.

taibo 06-28-2005 11:26 AM

you could do soo much better things with that money

Rui 06-28-2005 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by taibo
you could do soo much better things with that money

Like start wars with countrys and shit like that rigth? :2 cents:

VeriSexy 06-28-2005 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv
Amazing news. We need to do whatever we can, and fast, to move as far away from an oil based economy as we can get; or we are all doomed.


That is not possible, allot of things are made from oil and not just gas. 60% of the eletricity that USA uses is generated from burning coal.

Doctor Dre 06-28-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassie
lets see who france will sell out to this time!

first iraq and then possibly iran, libya, yemen.......?

Let me guess ... you're american right ?


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