Fucked Up Fucking Bullshit...Story Inside.
 

Yes I am drunk and pissed off so if you want to flame have at it.

Here is what happened tonight.

Background: I used to be a general manager of a bunch of clubs up north. I work security/management at a few local bar here and there. A lot of my friends did/do security work at clubs.
Enough said about that.

Lastnight/this morning we met up a local bar/pub for a few drinks and to listen to a friends band play. All was good doing bombs and drinking beer. One friend notices a couple of guys that have never been around before. We are sitting at the bar which is "L" shaped in our corner. It has enough room for about 12 people comfortably. We were bullshitting and all and the friend who noticed the guys said to one friend to watch his shit while he went out to his truck.

He did not let the rest of us in on the secret and these 2 guys come up to the bar in our section and for all the rest of us knew were ordering drinks. What they were really doing was acting like they were ordering drinks while taking our buddies money off the bar.

Once we were made aware of this we went ourside with the 2 guys to ask them about it. (Yes the bar has security cameras that would be enough proof should we had needed it.) They denied everything. We were not surprised. Then after a few other people showed up wanting to know what we were up to the one guys takes off running. He runs straight across a busy road and gets hit by a car. His friend trys to pick a fight and ends up getting beat pretty bad.

Once everything was done we all went back into the bar. The cops come in and start to ask questions. We explain what we "know". The guy half beaten tells the cops we threw his friend into the road as he is loaded onto an ambulance. We explain to the cops that the guy stole money from our friend and try to gain support for our actions.

The local police seem OK with what we did and don't really care about much. 30 minutes or so later state police show up and want to arrest my buddies and me for assault and what not. The owner of the bar expalins what happened and the cops don't care.

I went to the bathroom and come back out and the cops are cuffing my buddies. I go up to them and the cops tells me if I don't want to go to jail to back off. The bar owner comes around and grabs me and tells me to back off. I tell the cop I will be at the jail to get my friends out. He then explains that the guy who ran from us ended up dying at the scene and my friends were being charged with the crime.

This is total BULLSHIT. The guy died because he was a thief. He stole and got caught and tried to run and died. He went quicker by getting hit by the car then he would have if he was caught by my friends but the cops got pissed at me when I told them he got what he deserved.

I now have to wait until Monday to get my friends out of jail on a bullshit charge. He stole and committed suicide in my opinion. Even with the help of the bar owner trying to call in favors we could not get them out.

I live in a redneck town and certain things are settled without the need for law enforcement. I am from a large city originally and do not consider myself a redneck but I do think that if the community can solve a problem without the need to bother the police then they should.

Anyways this is my drunken rant. Fuck people who steal. Fuck stupid people. Fuck Fuck Fuck.

Oh and Fuck the new 2257 Regs. Support the FSC.

Telling the cops he got what he deserved would be the last thing i would do.

Should shut up and talk to a lawyer, posting here isnt to wise either, this is public record.

Thats pretty messed up.....

Im not surprised though, you have to expect a pretty strong response when people start dieing.

I have stated that I was drunk and all. We did nothing wrong. The cops arrested my friends because a thief ran into traffic and got hit.

I have contacted my lawyer and he agrees with me. I have not stated anything in this post that is not part of the police report.

I walk to the bar that I am talking about. I have known the owner for many years. I know many local police and with my company do many things for this community. I do not break the law with the exception of speeding. Me and my friends help this community. Last year before/during and after the hurricanes we all took time off work to go around and help with the clean up.

Yes I am a good person/saint in the eyes of many. I have nothing to hide. I state the facts. Even the local police do not understand why the state police arrested them.

I posted here to increase my post count and to vent. This will most likely be on page 20 or so by morning as I am a nobody here.

I thank you for your comments.

The road the guy ran across has claimed many lives in the past. Just because one guy said we were involved with making the guy run they arrest my buddies.

He got caught stealing and ran into traffic. Nobody laid a hand on the guy.

Anyways thanks for letting me vent. I need to sleep now as it is going to be as long weekend. Criminals seem to have more rights than anyone.

I would of never confronted them. Maybe I am just a pussy, but they could of had a gun and remember its just beer money. I understand the principle but there are a lot crazy people out there nowadays

What does the guy who was driving the car have to say?

If he was being chased, the chaser(s) could potentially be charged with manslaughter or similar - not sure if the charge would stick, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities.

Most likely, the dead person is a "nobody" who was a known criminal and thus the Police will likely not do much ... but one can't be certain ... and being that there's likely no statue of limitations (even if the death is classified as accidental), all folks involved would likely do best to never mention the incident at all ever again to anyone unless legally required to do so ... I'm not an attorney and this is just my dimes worth LOL!

Ron

Thief or not a man died. If you think he deserved it you have serious issues.

This is what y ou have to worry about. They won't give a fuck about what he did, th etables will turn to why he died. And if he was chased into traffic it could get messy.

The world is fucked up that way.

If it was my money I may have blown it off. My buddy on the other hand does not take things so lightly. We went to help him in case he needed it. The guy ran into traffic and chose his own fate.
If he had had a gun things may have turned out much worse for many people including us There are many people who are crazy but in this small town things like this do not happen. It was/is just a fucked up situation.

This guy I feel really sorry for. He had just gotten off work and was on his way home when the guy ran in front of him. He was really shaken up about the whole thing and his car is pretty messed up if not totalled.

As an update the reason for the charges for my friends is resisting arrest without violence. I did not know this until talking to them. Evidently the cops asked some questions and tempers flared and the cops did what they do. I still do not understand why they would have been "resisting" since there was no reason for them to be arrested.
The guy who died has an extensive history with the police. He is considered a drifter who does this as a proffesion. He had warrants in 6 states. He was scum. As stated above I have now found out the charges have nothing to do with the guy getting hit but my friends mouths when dealing with the cops.
This is not something I am surprised about with these guys and their lawyer will have them out on Monday and thinks the charges will be dropped.

Thanks for your input.

I am sorry you feel this way. If a child molester gets killed I also think he deserves it. It was his choice to do what he did. He stole, he ran and he died. Life is something to enjoy and protect when it is worth saving. As stated above this guy did this for a living and therefore I still think it was his time to go and he went.
I do not like people dying. I would only kill someone if they harmed myself or my family/friends not over material things. We are all responsible for the choices we make. If you make a bad choice you have to go with the outcome of that choice.

Sounds to me like natual selection working at its best.

As stated above I was incorrect in the actual charges. They got arrested because they mouthed off to the police. I still do not see why they got charged with resisting arrest when there was no reason to arrest them. According to my lawyer they will most likely get a plea deal to public intoxication or drunk and disorderly and will only pay a fine if that.
The state police have the city police report but because it was on a highway they had to do their own investigation.
Both the state and city cops I talked to agree that the guy running across the hiway was his own choice.
I do feel bad this guy made this choice and lost his life for this little bit of money. If he really needed the money or a drink he could have asked and we most likely would have given it to him.
Every day people make choices that effect their lives. Sometimes the choices made are met with disasterous results. I feel for this guys family and am sorry this happened.

regardless of what YOU or other bar patrons said happened I bet its just protocal for the police to take in people who were accused of murder.

Although I can somewhat agree with you I can not fully.
In my opinion we are here until we complete our goals. I do not understand why this night was this persons time to die nor will I probably ever know why.
What I originally disagree with was the arrest of my buddies because of this persons actions.

I now know they were arrested for other charges even though I may not agree with them I now know it has nothing to really do with the guy running across the road and getting hit.

I do not go out all that much and I now have more reasons for this. Tonight I went out again to see my friends band but did not drink a drop of alcohol and some of the things I saw made me sick. For a small town we really have some serious problems. People are stupid and do not care about anyone other than themselves.
People are stupid and people under the influence of alcohol are even stupider.
I am sorry to bump this post this many times but I wanted to answer everyone.

damn, the police or doin fucked up shit 2 white people now? yep, the US is officially HELL. when that guy told ya to back off? that was me but i didn't & i got locked up the same way. the cops will find a way 2 fuck you. that's just how they are :2 cents:




[size=1]*now some moron is gonna say some stupid shit like "u don't think that way when you need them!"... but fyi, the cops have never done anything positive even when they was lockin up dat crazy bitch i used to fuck with lol*[/font]

As stated above the charges were not about the guy dying. It was because my friends have big mouths and most likely said things to the cops they should not have. Not one of the people I hang out with would kill someone over money. They/we did not kill this person. He stole money and when confronted decided to run into a busy hiway to escape and got hit by a car.

Who here has done something stupid while drunk?
Without personally asking everyone I am going to assume everyone has, so I think everyone has to have some sympathy for the guy. He was probably drunk, broke, and wanted to drink more so he saw money and took it. He was defenitely in the wrong, and may have deserved an ass whooping, but the beauty of an ass whooping is that the person can live to see another day and the reason to beat some one up is usually to teach them a lesson. So while he may have learned his lesson, he wont be alive to practice what he learned.

Although I do not always agree with the police I understand they have a tough job to do. In this case I think they made a bad choice. Guys with no necks getting robbed by some punk, add alcohol and hormones and shit happens. I know these guys probably said a lot of shit to the police that they should not have. Again I do not think they should have been arrested.

This guy made a bad mistake. I am sure if he knew what was going to happen he would not of done what he did. It is sad that he is no longer and that one bad choice in his life ended it. This is my last post on the subject tonight as I am off to bed.
Have a good/night/morning all.

Actually sounds like it could be a pretty good movie script - Throw in a criminal trial, lawyers, jurors from both sides of town, etc. Better than what I've seen lately.

Nice post. Got my eyes on the story..

damn I finished reading your story.. and something like that happend to me and my friends..
but the police knew the guy.. so the guesse we didnt done that to him..